Chuwit: Secret Coalition Deal Includes Thaksin’s Return

[kingstonkid]

4 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said:

T. has always just cared about himself, and enriching himself and his family to the disadvantage of the country. But he is an able demagogue and manipulator of people's opinion...

I think the election showed him that he might be losing  his touch

[herfiehandbag]

8 hours ago, h90 said:

Not so secret, many people talk about it. And it is a very reasonable idea / compromise.

It is very reasonable, a compromise; if you cannot stomach the idea that the largest sector of the population voted for  a MFP government, an overwhelming majority voted  for a government drawn from MFP and PT, and a tiny minority voted for the incumbents.

 

It is a reasonable compromise if you wish for the existing undemocratic power structure, which has been emphatically rejected by the people, to remain in power; if you wish to see a continuation of authoritarian government - in short perhaps, if you are a neofascist!

[kinyara]

2 hours ago, anchadian said:

Pheu Thai PM candidate Srettha met with Bhumjai Thai leader Anutin at a football stadium in England amidst growing speculations that PT is hatching an alternative coalition where it will lead the next gov't

https://twitter.com/KhaosodEnglish/status/1663047510687109122

Too much of a coincidence I'd say when also factoring in Anutin's trip to Hong Kong last week and Shinawatra's daughter travelling out the country the other day. I think Pheu Thai are keeping up a facade of standing alongside Move Forward for the time being knowing full well that the Election Commission or the Senators will fulfill their role and scupper Pita and Move Forwards coalition. Then it's " well we can form a workable coalition " from Pheu Thai with the worst combination of the usual self-interested dodgy taxpayer funded billionaires again. Sad but inevitable, just needs a bit more work to dress it up this time given the increased popularity of Move Forward.

 

The deliberate lengthy process between election result and official government formation is perfectly designed for the old guard to have enough time to get their ducks in a row and maintain their self-interest.

[h90]

21 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

It is very reasonable, a compromise; if you cannot stomach the idea that the largest sector of the population voted for  a MFP government, an overwhelming majority voted  for a government drawn from MFP and PT, and a tiny minority voted for the incumbents.

 

It is a reasonable compromise if you wish for the existing undemocratic power structure, which has been emphatically rejected by the people, to remain in power; if you wish to see a continuation of authoritarian government - in short perhaps, if you are a neofascist!

The overwhelming majority did not vote for MFP....so there are easily coalitions without them possible.
Neofascist? It was Pita who met with the WEF on Saturday (The Nation reported).

 

It happens from time to time that the majority party does not make the government.

What do do you expect: antiroyal with changing the 112. anti Military, anti the biggest alcohol companies in Thailand, anti the biggest trading partner (China) (where the biggest Thai company has the investments), anti personal freedom with narcotics, an economic program that will destroy either the industry are make Thailand bankrupt (or lie to their voters) in the long run.
No wonder that other parties think maybe we can do without them....doing nothing like the decades before and be peaceful corrupt instead of big troubles.

You can't start so many things at the same time..no matter if they are a good idea or a bad.

[Puccini]

If the Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand enacted on 6 April B.E. 2560 (2017) is still the currently valid version, then the selection, endorsement, approval and appointment of the new Prime Minister is being carried out in accordance with Sections 158 and 159 of this constitution.

 

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Section 158. The King appoints the Prime Minister and not more than thirty-five other Ministers to constitute the Council of Ministers having the duties to carry out the administration of the State affairs in accordance with the principle of collective responsibility.

The Prime Minister must be appointed from a person who is approved by the House of Representatives under section 159.

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Section 159. The House of Representatives shall complete its consideration for approval of the person suitable to be appointed as Prime Minister from a person who has the qualifications and is not under any of the prohibitions under section 160, and is a person listed by a political party under section 88, only with respect to the list of names of political parties whose members have been elected as Members of the House of Representatives constituting not less than five per cent of the total number of existing Members of the House of Representatives.

The nomination under paragraph one shall be endorsed by members comprising not less than one-tenth of the total number of the existing Members of the House of Representatives.

The resolution of the House of Representatives approving the appointment of a person as Prime Minister shall be passed by open votes and by the votes of more than one-half of the total number of the existing Members of the House of Representatives.

 

Source: https://www.krisdika.go.th/documents/67673/181643/837163_0001.pdf/3d0aab10-e61f-03a4-136a-75003ce4c625

 

Thai text: https://library.senate.go.th/document/Ext27142/27142037_0003.PDF

[Will B Good]

3 hours ago, Puccini said:

1. Whose claim are you talking about?

 

2. Whom should the MFP sue, and for what?

 

 

The title to the thread will give you a clue....????

[zzaa09]

5 hours ago, Grossman said:

While this MFP win is a step to the right direction, I can't but to agree what you say here. Even with a bit more optimistic view assuming the new winners do honestly drive the "will of the people", there's decades (if not centuries) worth of baggage supporting the contrary and things won't change overnight (nor are they allowed to be changed.. you can play in your sandbox, but dare to cross the line and you'll find yourself in the penalty box).

 

And since we're doing quotes, here's one from Mr G. Orwell: “If you want to know who rules over you, look at who you are not allowed to criticize.”

Most won't recognize that nothing really changes beyond their dreamy ideologies. 

Quite universal - just appear in different packages.

 

 

Same as it ever was.

[bannork]

Settha from PT and Anuthin, leader of Bhumjaithai, together watching Leicester City get relegated from the Premier League.

 

[Toolong]

11 hours ago, soalbundy said:

"Will of the people", how naive are you? Government is all about deal making and pragmatism, the voting slip in your excited sweaty hand only transfers the trappings of power from one party to another, the present socioeconomic problems don't disappear after the votes have been counted, the civil service who run the country on a day to day basis haven't been changed, I again use a quote from Mark Twain, "If voting changed anything it wouldn't be allowed".

The points you make are, in general, unarguably true.

However, my 'naive' point about the 'will of the people' (wotp) was made in reference to, and from the perspective of, the people themselves, not from the perspective of the parties/govts they choose to vote for. In most cases, Thai govts have of course not ever given a fig for the wotp, true enough. (Pheu Thai under Thaksin, had a calculated crack at it....but only to get themselves in power.)

But I say in 'most' cases, because - and here you might rightly call me naive! - I do actually think MFP have shown a genuine readiness to build their policies around that wopt. And intend to attempt to stay true to that, as much as is possible.....hence the stubborn refusal to blink (so far!) on the house speaker issue. And to be clear....the will of which people do I have in mind? Naturally, in this case, specifically those Thais who voted MFP......especially the young. 

I think history is being made here. Apparent Naivete is permitted imho. ????????

 

[Toolong]

10 hours ago, h90 said:

People didn't choose a party to govern. If a coalition has more than 50% they are chosen to govern and that can be with MF and without MF. I have seen the third strongest party form the government. Nothing wrong with it.

Sorry, h90, I can't seem to make enough sense of your reply to reply adequately myself. 

Though...'third strongest party form the government. Nothing wrong with it'.

 

Bhumjathai Party? Anutin? Well, there's plenty wrong with that, for starters. (Imho.)

[UbonEagle]

My understanding that would be just a stay of execution anyway.

12mth on with rigged senate gone MF would just move no confidence motion and trigger re election, at which point they win by even bigger landslide 

[zzaa09]

On 5/29/2023 at 12:31 AM, kingstonkid said:

I think the election showed him that he might be losing  his touch

Or.....the simple ideals of out of mind out of sight comes to mind. 

Or the truer possibilities that he [and his associations] just wasn't that overwhelmingly popular in the long of it. 

 

Things are never what they appear to be - especially amongst the Enigma Thai.