Trump vows to end birthright citizenship for children of unauthorized immigrants if he wins in 2024

[Scott]

 

Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday pledged to challenge a long-standing interpretation of the U.S. Constitution in an attempt to end birthright citizenship for children of unauthorized immigrants if he defeats President Biden in the 2024 election.

If he secures a second presidential term, Trump said he would issue an executive order during his first day back at the White House in January 2025 instructing the federal government to deny citizenship to children with parents who are not American citizens or legal permanent residents. 

Under a decades-long interpretation of the Constitution, children born on U.S. soil are automatically bestowed American citizenship, even if their parents are not themselves citizens or legally present in the country. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-birthright-citizenship-children-unauthorized-immigrants/

[Tug]

That’s our Donnie just a scraping the bottom of the septic tank of decency trying to appeal to the worst most racist amongst us 

[EVENKEEL]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/maternity-tourism-how-chinese-couples-buy-us-citizenship-for-their-babies/

 

Ada Lin's family paid $27,000 to a Chinese agency with a website that advertises the advantages of giving birth in America. The agency helps arrange U.S. tourist visas, lodging, and medical care.

[EVENKEEL]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/feds-raid-l-maternity-hotel-birth-tourists-n315996

 

NBC News was on the scene as Homeland Security agents swept into The Carlyle, a luxury property in Irvine, California, which housed pregnant women and new moms who allegedly forked over $40,000 to $80,000 to give birth in the United States.

[Credo]

23 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/feds-raid-l-maternity-hotel-birth-tourists-n315996

 

NBC News was on the scene as Homeland Security agents swept into The Carlyle, a luxury property in Irvine, California, which housed pregnant women and new moms who allegedly forked over $40,000 to $80,000 to give birth in the United States.

And people who can afford $80,000 to give birth in the US are probably a good bet for having the means to immigrate to the US if they want.   Like a lot of the HK Chinese who migrated overseas, they wanted a 2nd passport as an insurance policy.   Many returned once they secured either US or Canadian citizenship.  Canadian citizenship is more desirable because the US requires overseas income to be taxed if you are a citizen.   

Try not get too hysterical.  

[EVENKEEL]

1 minute ago, Credo said:

And people who can afford $80,000 to give birth in the US are probably a good bet for having the means to immigrate to the US if they want.   Like a lot of the HK Chinese who migrated overseas, they wanted a 2nd passport as an insurance policy.   Many returned once they secured either US or Canadian citizenship.  Canadian citizenship is more desirable because the US requires overseas income to be taxed if you are a citizen.   

Try not get too hysterical.  

Why is it the left always wants to get personal? Where was the hysteria in my post. I simply reported info the OP neglected.

 

Me, personally I think it's criminal which is why these birther hotels were being rousted.

[heybruce]

Trump promises an executive order that overrules the US Constitution.

 

Is he that stupid, or does he assume his base is so stupid as to believe he can do that?

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, Credo said:

is more desirable because the US requires overseas income to be taxed if you are a citizen.   

Not true, according to ask the Chinese I speak to. Canada is too cold, and they go there if they can't get into the USA. 

[Neeranam]

Good, it's a stupid law, the Boston tea party has ended. Ban guns too. 

Edited May 31, 2023 by Neeranam

[Tug]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Why is it the left always wants to get personal? Where was the hysteria in my post. I simply reported info the OP neglected.

 

Me, personally I think it's criminal which is why these birther hotels were being rousted.

I don’t think that’s the group he’s interested in it’s more the poor immigrants he wants to deny + lots of Russians do the hotel birth visa and the russans are Donnie’s pals

[Credo]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Not true, according to ask the Chinese I speak to. Canada is too cold, and they go there if they can't get into the USA. 

Well, I don't wish to get into an argument about who wants to go where, but 30% of Vancouver is Chinese for a starter.  The group of people I am referring to were the wealthy Hong Kongers who wanted a second passport as an insurance policy against China.  They largely went to Canada because they did not wish to pay US taxes.  They also did not wish to live in either the US or Canada beyond getting a passport.   

A few people from HK that I knew had their wives in Canada obtaining the passport while they remained in HK running their family business.  

 

 

 

[Credo]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Why is it the left always wants to get personal? Where was the hysteria in my post. I simply reported info the OP neglected.

 

Me, personally I think it's criminal which is why these birther hotels were being rousted.

Why is it that the right-wingers always want to take a non-problem and make it a problem?  How many Chinese birthers do you think there are?  

Please note from your source:   The suspected operators have not been charged but are being questioned.

Also note:  None of the women were arrested

 

And finally, this is a 5-year-old article.   I wonder who was President?

[Jingthing]

Just more trashing of the constitution.

 

[tgw]

Territorial birthright for citizenship is an issue that should be addressed, although due to the lack of substantial welfare it's not as big a problem for the US as it is for other countries like for example France, where "single" pregnant women would cross the unprotected green border into Guyana, give birth in a hospital there and then become eligible for welfare benefits while not working at all and cannot be deported because their children are French citizens.

[Sheryl]

This would require a Constitutional Amendment.

 

First sentence of the 14th Amendment is:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

 

Requires a 2/3 majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate followed by a separate ratification by 3/4 of the States.

 

President has no role in this process. Never comes to him for signature and certainly cannot be done through an Executive Order.

 

So empty talk on his part.

[Sheryl]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Good, it's a stupid law, the Boston tea party has ended. Ban guns too. 

It is not a law. It is a constitutional provision. See above.

[Credo]

5 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

This would require a Constitutional Amendment.

 

First sentence of the 14th Amendment is:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

 

Requires a 2/3 majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate followed by a separate ratification by 3/4 of the States.

 

President has no role in this process. Never comes to him for signature and certainly cannot be done through an Executive Order.

 

So empty talk on his part.

I don't think Trump has much respect for the constitution, and it would appear that he has a Supreme Court that might not as well.

 

 

[Sheryl]

Just now, Credo said:

I don't think Trump has much respect for the constitution, and it would appear that he has a Supreme Court that might not as well.

 

 

Even for this Supreme Court, this would be too egregious. It is not a matter of interpretation as many other issues are (e.g. abortion, guns).

 

This is crystal clear.

 

BTW I do agree that in this day and age of air travel it does not make much sense to give automatic citizenship based on birth without any other criteria e.g. at least a minimum period of physical residency by the mother before delivery. The Constitution dates back to an earlier time.  But  it is not  a huge problem and hardly worth the complex process of Constitutional Amendment.

 

[lexxy]

My Aussie wife and I had our child here and we are not eligible to get our son a thai passport. Racism is real people...

[Credo]

11 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Even for this Supreme Court, this would be too egregious. It is not a matter of interpretation as many other issues are (e.g. abortion, guns).

 

This is crystal clear.

 

BTW I do agree that in this day and age of air travel it does not make much sense to give automatic citizenship based on birth without any other criteria e.g. at least a minimum period of physical residency by the mother before delivery. The Constitution dates back to an earlier time.  But  it is not  a huge problem and hardly worth the complex process of Constitutional Amendment.

 

I completely agree.  He's just a person who has no respect for the Constitution.  

 

[Jingthing]

Funny Trump doesn't want to trash the 2nd amendment.

To the majority of magas the constitution is ONLY the 2nd amendment!

[Jingthing]

Just now, Credo said:

I completely agree.  He's just a person who has no respect for the Constitution.  

 

He cares only about himself.

Taking power again means he can dodge prison. 

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, lextsy said:

My Aussie wife and I had our child here and we are not eligible to get our son a thai passport. Racism is real people...

Different countries. different laws.

The US constitutional provision for birthright citizenship is hardly universal. 

It makes sense for a country of immigrants or at least it made sense.

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, Credo said:

I completely agree.  He's just a person who has no respect for the Constitution.  

 

The Constitution is dated, what is wrong with changing it? 

 

[Neeranam]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Different countries. different laws.

The US constitutional provision for birthright citizenship is hardly universal. 

It makes sense for a country of immigrants or at least it made sense.

Its not a law, seemingly 

[lexxy]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Different countries. different laws.

The US constitutional provision for birthright citizenship is hardly universal. 

It makes sense for a country of immigrants or at least it made sense.

So why the hate for one country and not the other countries law, Or does trump just trigger certain types of people?

[Jingthing]

The constitution can be changed by the amendment process. The amendment process is very hard to do and can take decades. I seriously doubt there is the political will to start an amendment process over a rather tangential issue as birthright citizenship.

 

I get that this is just red meat campaign stuff for Trump's maga cult followers.

I doubt he's going to get many extra votes based on this issue.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, lextsy said:

So why the hate for one country and not the other countries law, Or does trump just trigger certain types of people?

Decent Americans care very much about respecting the CONSTITUTION. Trump does not. That's disgusting. 

[Sheryl]

13 minutes ago, Credo said:

I completely agree.  He's just a person who has no respect for the Constitution.  

 

He also has almost no knowledge of the Constitution. And no interest in acquiring it. Lacks even the most basic understanding of the role of the Executive Branch.

 

He  does not hesitate to make promises for things he then does not even attempt to do, in the case of promises aimed at his "Maga" base.

 

Conversely he is quite careful to deliver on promises made to the other 2 population segments that, together with the (for lack of a better word) "Maga" folks, are what he needs to be elected: the extreme social conservatives/Evanglicals and the extreme fiscal right 1%-ers.

 

This is because support from those 2 blocs is conditional. Quid pro quo, not based on being in any way enamored of (or deluded by) the Trump persona.

 

But the Maga crowd support is emotion-based and focused on what they perceive to be his persona which they emotionally identify with, and his emotional appeals to their resentments. Doesn't matter what he actually does or that nothing about their circumstances actually improves. (Can't possibly improve since these people are not wealthy, and he is completely beholden to the wealthy).

 

His famous statement about being able to stand on Fifth avenue shooting people and still getting elected, was true but only for the "Maga" group.

 

While he is indeed totally ignorant of the Constitution and many other things, he has shrewd political instincts and fully understand the above dynamic.

 

 

 

 

[kiwiaussie]

17 minutes ago, lextsy said:

My Aussie wife and I had our child here and we are not eligible to get our son a thai passport. Racism is real people...

A child being born in Australia to two non-resident Thai parents wouldn't be eligible for citizenship there either. What's your point?