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Just now, mikebike said:

Are you suggesting it is somehow "morally wrong"? It certainly isn't legally wrong, and I see absolutely zero moral implications, so what is "wrong" with it? 

Clogging up foreign hospitals with your foreign baby yes it is wrong. Morally wrong.

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That’s our Donnie just a scraping the bottom of the septic tank of decency trying to appeal to the worst most racist amongst us 

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This would require a Constitutional Amendment.   First sentence of the 14th Amendment is: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,

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He also has almost no knowledge of the Constitution. And no interest in acquiring it. Lacks even the most basic understanding of the role of the Executive Branch.   He  does not hesitate to

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1 minute ago, johnnybangkok said:

Nothing to say about defrauding his own charity?

Thought so.

Don't know anything about it. Your story not mine. The law is a bad law and should be changed. Doesn't matter who proposed it. Your bias is clouding your judgement of bad laws.

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Don't know anything about it. Your story not mine. The law is a bad law and should be changed. Doesn't matter who proposed it. Your bias is clouding your judgement of bad laws.

Here you go. Educate yourself.

 

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-trump-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation

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1 minute ago, johnnybangkok said:

I don't think you should start down the 'morally wrong' road. It vdoesn't have a good ending for you.

I have no idea what you are talking about. It is wrong for couples to go country shopping.

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2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Doubtful.

It's a low priority issue.

Immigration in general is a big issue, but the birthright part is not. 

I think it wins votes. Same area of policy. Immigration is big.

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23 minutes ago, lextsy said:

It was a point to show the same system is in place all over the world and its become pretty obvious the hate is directed at trump only not really anything else.  Much like how people used to toot their horn about how elon musk was the bees knees and now hes a scumbag righty trump supporter..

But the same system is NOT in place all over the world. It is an "americas" thing, anachronistic now, but needed at the time in immigration-based nascent nations. 

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11 minutes ago, bignok said:

Clogging up foreign hospitals with your foreign baby yes it is wrong. Morally wrong.

???? am so sorry. I must have missed that. Can you point me to the data which suggests all this "clogging"? Which foreign countries are having this issue? 

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2 minutes ago, bignok said:

I think it wins votes. Same area of policy. Immigration is big.

Trashing the constitution LOSES votes among decent Americans, traditional conservative republicans, independents, center right suburban women, etc. in the general election.

But he's running for the maga party nomination now.

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Trashing the constitution LOSES votes among decent Americans, traditional conservative republicans, independents, center right suburban women, etc. in the general election.

But he's running for the maga party nomination now.

The constitution needs fixing. Not trashing anything. Old bad laws need to be fixed. 

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3 minutes ago, bignok said:

Don't know anything about it. Your story not mine. The law is a bad law and should be changed. Doesn't matter who proposed it. Your bias is clouding your judgement of bad laws.

As has been pointed out to you by many other posters, this is a constitutional matter that cannot be overturned by 'executive order'. Now supposing Trump isn't THAT stupid to not know it's enshrined in the constitution, why would he say something he knows can never be done? Trump said he would issue an executive order during his first day back at the White House in January 2025. He knows that cannot be done so why say it? So whether you agree or disagree with the law, it's just another red flag to incite his base.

 

Personally I think it smacks of 'throwing the baby out with the bath water' because children who have known no other home other than the USA for all their lives need protecting, which the current constitution does, but for those that just give birth there just to get a USA passport there is an obvuious issue. They both require individual solutions which cannot be acheived by Trump promising to 'end birthright citizenship for children of unauthorized immigrants' across the board, on his first day of office.

 

There's nuance required here which is as we know, is NOT Trump's forte. 

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16 minutes ago, bignok said:

I think it wins votes. Same area of policy. Immigration is big.

He can't win votes he's already got.  This only appeals to the MAGA types.  Perhaps he's trying to keep them from defecting to DeSantis.  But this won't help Trump in the general election. 

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1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Two Thais giving birth in the US, their child would be an american. 

People take advantage of this outdated law and most americans want it changed, apart from the woke who are scared of anything to do with immigration.

1.  Prove that "most americans want it changed".

 

2.  Rational people from across the political spectrum would be happy to improve the immigration laws.  However we recognize that immigrant scapegoating is too popular with irrational elected officials to ever get anything accomplished.

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1 hour ago, bignok said:

No it is about fixing a bad law. Bad laws should be fixed. People should not go travelling to have babies in order to get citizenship. It is wrong. Your bias is affecting your judgement.

As has been explained, it's not the law, it's the US Constitution.  If you can't grasp the significance of that there is no point in further discussion.

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4 hours ago, heybruce said:

Trump promises an executive order that overrules the US Constitution.

 

Is he that stupid, or does he assume his base is so stupid as to believe he can do that?

Probably a bit of both - maybe he assumes that the Supreme Court will dismiss any challenges...

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11 minutes ago, heybruce said:

As has been explained, it's not the law, it's the US Constitution.  If you can't grasp the significance of that there is no point in further discussion.

The Constitution is a higher law. Harder to change.

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"Law is interpreted by societal or political institution as a set of rules that are useful in governing the behaviour of the people of the land. A Constitution is the set of fundamental laws that stipulates how a country should be governed."

 

So still a law.

 

 

https://www.jagranjosh.com/general-knowledge/difference-between-the-constitution-and-the-law-1624455814-1

 

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39 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

He can't win votes he's already got.  This only appeals to the MAGA types.  Perhaps he's trying to keep them from defecting to DeSantis.  But this won't help Trump in the general election. 

You say MAGA as if it is something negative. What is wrong with making america great?

Trump is going to be a runaway winner, unless they can replace sleepy, no decent american is going to vote for a guy who can't remember his opposition's name, or confuses his granddaughter with his dead son, etc.. 

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45 minutes ago, heybruce said:

"It is wrong for couples to go country shopping."

 

Why?

so 2 people on holiday in canada that have a baby there should be entitled to the health care system that tax payers pay for ? 

 

amazing. 

 

daily we see posters on here mouthing off about foreigners in thailand caught in bad situations in hospitals with medical bills etc. 

 

but when it is swung back the other way its ok ?

 

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