Pita To Be Given Second Chance For PM: Wan Noor

[herfiehandbag]

On 7/5/2023 at 2:47 PM, paul1804 said:

One of the big negatives Thailand faces is the legitimacey of what the media actually report, they so often get it wrong completely misleading the public, often printing rubbish just to get a story out there leaving readers confused & often biased.

The media have published statements supposedly made by Pita & MFP that dont enhance their chances of Pita being PM. He is well educated so I find it strange that he would make these statements knowing it will damage his chances of success!

Take it a step further - who owns (and therefore controls the editorial policy) of the mainstream print and broadcast media.

Don't look at the individual politicians, because obviously they would be committing the ultimate wicked immorality of owning shares in a media company, a foul depravity before which all must shudder, but rather look at the power blocks which support them.

[herfiehandbag]

On 7/5/2023 at 1:16 PM, NanLaew said:

I started my career in Saudi Arabia and also did almost eight years in mainland China pre- Tienanmen whereupon I quit to go work in pre- Kuwait invasion Iraq.

 

You cannot sell me on the benefits of socialism, despots or cults of personality.

 

Having said that, one of the upsides of Saddam's reign was being able to freely buy and consume pork products, imported beers and dine, swim and play cricket at the British Embassy and party with the Irish nurses in Block 13 in the evenings. TBH, I was a bit miffed when Desert Storm kicked off.

I was a bit miffed when Desert Storm kicked off as well.

Taken from my comfortable sociable existence to spend months living out of the back of a Land Rover in a searing hot sandpit run by arrogant incompetents who thought that they could order us around, ban beer and even our religious practices, and all at the constant risk of having the United States Air Force unload their bombs on us because they thought...

 

And I was on the coalition side!

Edited July 6, 2023 by herfiehandbag

[herfiehandbag]

On 7/5/2023 at 3:01 PM, h90 said:

I said 28% of the people voted for MFP....38% and 25% didn't vote for anyone....only 75% went to the election.

Makes about 28%...so not all Thailand only wants Pita...

When seeking to "qualify" electoral results it is a common straw clutched at by those who seek to refute the democratic result to include and assume the numbers who for whatever reason didn't vote as supporting one side or another.

 

You have, for several weeks now, been banging a number of drums as loudly as you possibly can, to drown out one simple unassailable fact. Pita, and MFP got more votes and seats than anyone else. He moved rapidly to form a coalition, which the election losers are doing their absolute best to split whilst remaining in power, in direct contradiction of the will expressed by the electorate when they voted.

 

You talk about protracted coalition negotiations in other countries, you talk about the archaic processes dictated by the US Constitution to determine transfer of power. You ignore, and come up with ever more specious reasons to ignore the simple truth. The results of the election were unambiguous and known within a couple of days. The resulting coalition was in place and ready to go within days. The election losers remain firmly in power.

[Mr Meeseeks]

20 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

I was a bit miffed when Desert Storm kicked off as well.

Taken from my comfortable sociable existence to spend months living out of the back of a Land rover in a searing hot sandpit run by arrogant incompetents who thought that they could order us around, ban beer and even our religious practices, and all at the constant risk of having the United States Air Force unload their bombs on us because they thought...

 

And I was on the coalition side!

Swamping is a religious practice now? 

[herfiehandbag]

3 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Swamping is a religious practice now? 

Not quite - as a left footer (RC) I wore a set of Rosary Beads around my neck, tucked inside my tee shirt. A Saudi liaison officer officer objected and complained. He also complained about Chaplains visiting.

 

When it started he and his air-conditioned Land Cruiser disappeared "ganz schnell"!

[chalawaan]

These fools in power focus too much on Pita.

 

And they don't understand compromise.

 

They can screw Pita, but the millions who put him there will be very angry indeed.

 

If they push too hard, they will have a Myanmar on Thier hands. 

 

Then what?

 

 

[zzaa09]

14 minutes ago, chalawaan said:

These fools in power focus too much on Pita.

 

And they don't understand compromise.

 

They can screw Pita, but the millions who put him there will be very angry indeed.

 

If they push too hard, they will have a Myanmar on Thier hands. 

 

Then what?

 

 

The special advisor and influencer will intervene.

Part and parcel of the omnipresent racket. 

[Dogmatix]

On 7/5/2023 at 5:14 AM, CartagenaWarlock said:

After gaining power, they should immediately start working on changing the constitution to elect/select senators and let the military appointed senators retire.

This Senate's term is up in May 2024 and with it goes the Senate's power to vote for the PM. 

[herfiehandbag]

4 hours ago, chalawaan said:

These fools in power focus too much on Pita.

 

And they don't understand compromise.

 

They can screw Pita, but the millions who put him there will be very angry indeed.

 

If they push too hard, they will have a Myanmar on Thier hands. 

 

Then what?

 

 

They think that they can control it.

 

I doubt that they can.

4 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

The special advisor and influencer will intervene.

Part and parcel of the omnipresent racket. 

What if nobody listens anymore?

 

[CartagenaWarlock]

44 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

This Senate's term is up in May 2024 and with it goes the Senate's power to vote for the PM. 

After that what happens? New senators are elected to selected? If selection who select them?

[arithai12]

On 7/5/2023 at 8:29 AM, sirineou said:

They don't need to "give him a chance: he won it fair and square. 

Get over it. 

Actually, his party won the most seats by a rather small margin, not he, and there was no implication in the ballot that he MUST be the PM as a result.

[Flory]

4 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

This Senate's term is up in May 2024 and with it goes the Senate's power to vote for the PM. 

Yeah, that old carrot in front of the population. Tell me you honestly believe there isn't some plan in place to either extend their terms or replace them with similar trough sucklers.

[bannork]

3 hours ago, arithai12 said:

Actually, his party won the most seats by a rather small margin, not he, and there was no implication in the ballot that he MUST be the PM as a result.

His party received 38% of party list votes compared to PT's 28%.

A clear indication the public want MF to be the government and Pita, the Prime Minister.

 

[sirineou]

3 hours ago, arithai12 said:

Actually, his party won the most seats by a rather small margin, not he, and there was no implication in the ballot that he MUST be the PM as a result.

And as the leader of that partly he has the right to form a coalition  with other parties, secure a majority ,and be prime minister.

  If he is not eligible , who then is??????? Someone who lost by a small or big margine?????

 

The fact that his party won, that he is the leader of that party, and that he has the right to form a coalition goverment,  is not being contested by the opposition, so instead they concoct all short or ludicrous roadblocks in a  vain attempt to maintain their power, 

   No need to give him a first or second chance, what they need is to let  him have  that which is rightly his. 

Edited July 7, 2023 by sirineou

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, sirineou said:

And as the leader of that partly he has the right to form a coalition  with other parties, secure a majority ,and be prime minister.

  If he is not eligible , who then is??????? Someone who lost by a small or big margine?????

 

The fact that his party won, that he is the leader of that party, and that he has the right to form a coalition goverment,  is not being contested by the opposition, so instead they concoct all short or ludicrous roadblocks in a  vain attempt to maintain their power, 

   No need to give him a first or second chance, what they need is to let  him have  that which is rightly his. 

100% correct, but remember where you are, the rules and conventions don't apply to the special chosen people. 

[Dogmatix]

7 hours ago, bannork said:

His party received 38% of party list votes compared to PT's 28%.

A clear indication the public want MF to be the government and Pita, the Prime Minister.

 

 So many voters choose PT for the constituency and MFP for the party list. If another election is forced soon, they might abandon PT and give both votes to MFP.

[NanLaew]

Scenario #1: Pita gets the nod and the coalition gets seated. Protesters from the loyalist, royalist brigades will take to the streets, fomenting increasingly violent social upheaval. The army steps in to save the people and the institutions. Prawit becomes the interim (+5 year) 'caretaker'.

 

Scenario #2: Pita doesn't get the nod and neither does Srettha. Protesters from the Future Forward and Thaksinista cliques will take to the streets, fomenting increasingly violent social upheaval. The army steps in to save the people and the institutions. Prawit becomes the interim (+5 year) 'caretaker'.

 

Have I missed anything?

 

 

 

 

[Artisi]

38 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Scenario #1: Pita gets the nod and the coalition gets seated. Protesters from the loyalist, royalist brigades will take to the streets, fomenting increasingly violent social upheaval. The army steps in to save the people and the institutions. Prawit becomes the interim (+5 year) 'caretaker'.

 

Scenario #2: Pita doesn't get the nod and neither does Srettha. Protesters from the Future Forward and Thaksinista cliques will take to the streets, fomenting increasingly violent social upheaval. The army steps in to save the people and the institutions. Prawit becomes the interim (+5 year) 'caretaker'.

 

Have I missed anything?

 

 

 

 

Yes, Thaksin won't be back..... 

[NanLaew]

26 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Yes, Thaksin won't be back..... 

You honestly thought that was ever going to happen?

 

Sheesh...

[zzaa09]

10 hours ago, bannork said:

His party received 38% of party list votes compared to PT's 28%.

A clear indication the public want MF to be the government and Pita, the Prime Minister.

 

The public are eating cake....metaphorically. 

[bannork]

2 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Scenario #1: Pita gets the nod and the coalition gets seated. Protesters from the loyalist, royalist brigades will take to the streets, fomenting increasingly violent social upheaval. The army steps in to save the people and the institutions. Prawit becomes the interim (+5 year) 'caretaker'.

 

Scenario #2: Pita doesn't get the nod and neither does Srettha. Protesters from the Future Forward and Thaksinista cliques will take to the streets, fomenting increasingly violent social upheaval. The army steps in to save the people and the institutions. Prawit becomes the interim (+5 year) 'caretaker'.

 

Have I missed anything?

 

 

 

 

Yes, the loyalist, royalist supporters are mostly in their 'golden' years. Plus they're used to comfort, air-con etc.  They might occupy Central department store but that's about it.

[Artisi]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

You honestly thought that was ever going to happen?

 

Sheesh...

Not in your or my life time, but couldn't pass up the opportunity to confirm it????

[bannork]

1 minute ago, Artisi said:

Not in your or my life time, but couldn't pass up the opportunity to confirm it????

No, no! Jim has announced on this website many times in the last two months that the great man is coming back in style on his birthday at the end of this month.

Sadly Tony may be crooning instead in some Singapore hotel karaoke suite:

' Why did you throw the Jack of Hearts ( Pravit) away? It was the only card in the deck that I had left to play?'

 

[NanLaew]

On 7/7/2023 at 6:36 PM, bannork said:

Yes, the loyalist, royalist supporters are mostly in their 'golden' years. Plus they're used to comfort, air-con etc.  They might occupy Central department store but that's about it.

Not if the orangey-red mob burn it down first.