Criminal liability in Thailand

[goldenball]

 

 

A friend got involved in a mild altercation with another expat, as a result of the exchange, a retaliation occurred which was completely excessive, and resulted in a crime being committed against the aforementioned.

 

It is not an assault, but beyond that, the details cannot be shared, just understand there is a valid case to answer in Thai law. He has a video record of the crime and the perpetrator.

 

The friend didn't want the law involved, and sought to mend fences with the perp on condition they accepted wrongdoing and made things right.

 

But the there are two problems with this, the first is the suspect is unknown to the friend and his friends.

 

The second is that we both feel the perp is a thoroughly unpleasant character, and the right thing to do is to contact the BiB, as the kingdom would likely be better off without them and their casual criminal behaviourisms. 

 

I think this could backfire, and the BiB may do nothing at all, or ask for an ever escalating series of brown envelopes to act, with no way to back out once the wheels of justice grind on and on, also, the BiB would have to do some gumshoe work to locate this character.

 

I have heard that in any civil cases, the complainant is barred from leaving Thailand, and their passport seized, and monthly reports to immigration, and this is just the outcome for the person making the complaint!

 

The bottom line is this, has anyone pursued a criminal case in Thailand against another farang, and would you be willing to share the process?

 

We are not interested in the details of the crime, just the police interactions until all was resolved, thank you! 

 

 

 

[connda]

Huh?  ????  Talk to a Thai lawyer.

[goldenball]

26 minutes ago, connda said:

Huh?  ????  Talk to a Thai lawyer.

Thank you, but we are asking expats for their collective real life experiences and wisdom, I'm sure you've been here long enough to know a lawyer is often more trouble than they are worth.

 

We already know there's a case to answer, were only asking if its worth it to involve the police, based on other expats similar experiences, and BTW you're now on ignore.

 

Because if you were reading actively, instead of just waiting for your turn to trash-post and jog on, you will see we are trying to avoid drama, not add to it! 

Edited July 5, 2023 by goldenball

[CharlieKo]

39 minutes ago, goldenball said:

Thank you, but we are asking expats for their collective real life experiences and wisdom, I'm sure you've been here long enough to know a lawyer is often more trouble than they are worth.

 

We already know there's a case to answer, were only asking if its worth it to involve the police, based on other expats similar experiences, and BTW you're now on ignore.

 

Because if you were reading actively, instead of just waiting for your turn to trash-post and jog on, you will see we are trying to avoid drama, not add to it! 

Sorry but you definitely came to the wrong place for advice. Go see a lawyer. 

Edited July 5, 2023 by CharlieKo

[marin]

35 minutes ago, goldenball said:

We already know there's a case to answer, were only asking if its worth it to involve the police, based on other expats similar experiences, and BTW you're now on ignore.

 

Because if you were reading actively, instead of just waiting for your turn to trash-post and jog on, you will see we are trying to avoid drama, not add to it! 

You sound like a drama queen to me. An unfriendly one at that.????

[mark5335]

1 hour ago, goldenball said:

I have heard that in any civil cases, the complainant is barred from leaving Thailand, and their passport seized, and monthly reports to immigration, and this is just the outcome for the person making the complaint

I was involved in a civil case in Bangkok 3 years ago (as the respondent), and there was no restriction placed on my passport and in fact I travelled overseas unimpeded. Obviously it would be diffient for a criminal case.

[CharlieH]

This is not visa related.

MOVED to General.

 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, goldenball said:

and BTW you're now on ignore.

So sad...and BTW, how is he affected by your not reading his posts?!

Edited July 5, 2023 by Liverpool Lou

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, goldenball said:

I have heard that in any civil cases, the complainant is barred from leaving Thailand, and their passport seized, and monthly reports to immigration

You heard wrong.   Where did you "hear" it, on an anonymous forum?

[Joe Farang]

A friend got involved in a mild altercation with another expat, as a result of the exchange, a retaliation occurred which was completely excessive,"

 

It sounds like your "friends" mouth started a fight that his body couldn't back up.

 

Police involvement usually ends with a 500bht fine each. But may be different depending on the video

[AustinRacing]

There’s nothing wrong with providing details in this forum. You’d get more involvement with honesty and transparency. We don’t like cryptic posts. ????????????

[goldenball]

19 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

You heard wrong.   Where did you "hear" it, on an anonymous forum?

At least your post is helpful.  Sour, but helpful.

[goldenball]

26 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

There’s nothing wrong with providing details in this forum. You’d get more involvement with honesty and transparency. We don’t like cryptic posts. ????????????

Weve had nothing but low quality trolling for the most part, and if you have nothing constructive to add, then the details are none of your business.

[goldenball]

19 hours ago, Joe Farang said:

A friend got involved in a mild altercation with another expat, as a result of the exchange, a retaliation occurred which was completely excessive,"

 

It sounds like your "friends" mouth started a fight that his body couldn't back up.

 

Police involvement usually ends with a 500bht fine each. But may be different depending on the video

Another one who cannot process simple English. it was NOT an assault.

 

We have had advice from a better source than here, and have made alternative arrangements than involving the rent seeking coppers. 

[KhunLA]

too many variables, not enough info, to access the situation and give advise.

 

Assuming some major property damage done and on vid.  And you/friend think if not arrested/jailed/deported, offender could become very violent toward you/friend and cause serious, bodily harm.

 

Can't see complaint about property damage getting someone immediately jailed without bail or deported without court date, so they would be out, and free to retaliate if wanting.

 

Are you prepared for that ?  That's your answer, a question only you can answer.

Edited July 6, 2023 by KhunLA

[couchpotato]

7 minutes ago, goldenball said:

Another one who cannot process simple English. it was NOT an assault.

 

We have had advice from a better source than here, and have made alternative arrangements than involving the rent seeking coppers. 

Thats great---now we can be rid of your insulting posts.

Remember you're the one that initiated the thread with no details of the nature of the alleged crime. 

[brianthainess]

22 hours ago, goldenball said:

It is not an assault, but beyond that, the details cannot be shared,

How can anyone give advice then, and, what is beyond assault? murder? Rape? any hints anyone?

 

 

 

Edited July 6, 2023 by brianthainess

[brianthainess]

22 hours ago, goldenball said:

 

6 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

How can anyone give advice then, and, what is beyond assault? murder? Rape? any hints anyone?

 

 

 

 

Oh now i get it new fence required 

22 hours ago, goldenball said:

The friend didn't want the law involved, and sought to mend fences with the perp

 

[goldenball]

2 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

How can anyone give advice then, and, what is beyond assault? murder? Rape? any hints anyone?

One more time, the post is about the process dealing with the police after ANY complaint is made, its about the police process. Not the alleged offence. 

Besides, do you seriously think by the previous posts, any of them would be remotely qualified to comment on a specific crime? 555 

 

There's this Red Top reader obsession here with wallowing in sordid detail, few are intelligent enough to even understand the request made in the original post, they are just here for dirty laundry, and I'm the bad guy for pointing out they're useless opinionated <deleted>? 

[brianthainess]

8 minutes ago, goldenball said:

One more time, the post is about the process dealing with the police after ANY complaint is made, its about the police process. Not the alleged offence. 

Besides, do you seriously think by the previous posts, any of them would be remotely qualified to comment on a specific crime? 555 

 

There's this Red Top reader obsession here with wallowing in sordid detail, few are intelligent enough to even understand the request made in the original post, they are just here for dirty laundry, and I'm the bad guy for pointing out they're useless opinionated <deleted>? 

So one more time, WHAT IS BEYOND assault ????????????

Edited July 6, 2023 by brianthainess

[FritsSikkink]

22 hours ago, goldenball said:

 

 

A friend got involved in a mild altercation with another expat, as a result of the exchange, a retaliation occurred which was completely excessive, and resulted in a crime being committed against the aforementioned.

 

It is not an assault, but beyond that, the details cannot be shared, just understand there is a valid case to answer in Thai law. He has a video record of the crime and the perpetrator.

 

The friend didn't want the law involved, and sought to mend fences with the perp on condition they accepted wrongdoing and made things right.

 

But the there are two problems with this, the first is the suspect is unknown to the friend and his friends.

 

The second is that we both feel the perp is a thoroughly unpleasant character, and the right thing to do is to contact the BiB, as the kingdom would likely be better off without them and their casual criminal behaviourisms. 

 

I think this could backfire, and the BiB may do nothing at all, or ask for an ever escalating series of brown envelopes to act, with no way to back out once the wheels of justice grind on and on, also, the BiB would have to do some gumshoe work to locate this character.

 

I have heard that in any civil cases, the complainant is barred from leaving Thailand, and their passport seized, and monthly reports to immigration, and this is just the outcome for the person making the complaint!

 

The bottom line is this, has anyone pursued a criminal case in Thailand against another farang, and would you be willing to share the process?

 

We are not interested in the details of the crime, just the police interactions until all was resolved, thank you! 

 

 

 

Your friend fought with this guy and then later got something back. Now you want to get the police involved. Stay out of the kitchen if you don't like the heat. 

What do you think his friends will do to you and your friend when their friend gets more problems?

[brianthainess]

34 minutes ago, goldenball said:

Brian, your signature seems to describe yourself very well.

 

We can't cure stupid. 

 

If you've never been a police complainant in Thailand, this thread topic is none of your business. And your crazed raving is irrelevant. 

 

It is better to be thought a fool and remain silent, than open your mouth and remove all doubt. 

 

 

It's a simple genuine question and it doesn't have to be related to this case What is beyond assault? seems you are beyond an answer. I can't think of anything worse than physical harm. I await your next angry insult. 

[Gottfrid]

1 hour ago, brianthainess said:

How can anyone give advice then, and, what is beyond assault? murder? Rape? any hints anyone?

 

 

 

That was easy to understand. Means that he give the information that it was not assault, and after that (beyond that) more details can not be shared. 

[goldenball]

1 minute ago, FritsSikkink said:

Why don't you take your own advice?

Please feel free to find any example, I'll wait. 

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