‘Decency and dignity’: Multiple carefully crafted Biden narratives fall apart as 2024 race heats up

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I think somebody said it on a social website partly owned by a politician.

Fascinating.

 

Yet completely unrelated to what I said.

[Isaan sailor]

Both Biden and Trump too old for the Presidency.  Can’t we have better candidates?

[ozimoron]

12 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Both Biden and Trump too old for the Presidency.  Can’t we have better candidates?

Barring an act of god we are stuck with both of them. I'm getting bored with Republicans canning Biden while never saying what they like about Trump's policies or achievements.

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27 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

He didn't claim there was a plan do so.

 

Neither did I. 

 

Next strawman please. Chop chop.

Even if your argument made sense that it is undemocratic to run again because he won't complete his term and Harris will replace him, you know this how?

[earlinclaifornia]

27 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

He didn't claim there was a plan do so.

 

Neither did I. 

 

Next strawman please. Chop chop.

..meaning put Biden in to beat Trump and then appoint someone who can actually do the job.

 

You did read your own post for Christ sake!

[earlinclaifornia]

28 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Both Biden and Trump too old for the Presidency.  Can’t we have better candidates?

We could if the two both dropped out.

[stoner]

2 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

As soon as I see that NOT-news tag, I stop reading, including the comments. The same sh!t from the same people. We've lost the ability for cogent debate, it merely devolves into a mud-slinging contest from both sides.

aaaaaaand every comment since yours hahaha 

[Hanaguma]

Well, according to the New York Times, fully 64% of DEMOCRATS don't want Biden to run.

His job approval is 33%.

Only 13% of those polled think America is on "the right track".

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/us/politics/biden-approval-polling-2024.html 

 

These numbers would normally be a death sentence for a politician seeking re-election, or even the nomination from his party. Yet the folks in charge of the Democratic Party ignore them, probably fearful that if Joe goes, they are left with the even worse Kamala problem. 

 

Never mind that there is nothing decent or dignified in a man pretending his grand-daughter doesn't exist.  Such an elitist move. If Hunter had impregnated a more 'respectable' woman (congressional staffer, etc) I don't think that Joe would be so classless.

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2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Well, according to the New York Times, fully 64% of DEMOCRATS don't want Biden to run.

His job approval is 33%.

Only 13% of those polled think America is on "the right track".

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/us/politics/biden-approval-polling-2024.html 

 

These numbers would normally be a death sentence for a politician seeking re-election, or even the nomination from his party. Yet the folks in charge of the Democratic Party ignore them, probably fearful that if Joe goes, they are left with the even worse Kamala problem. 

 

Never mind that there is nothing decent or dignified in a man pretending his grand-daughter doesn't exist.  Such an elitist move. If Hunter had impregnated a more 'respectable' woman (congressional staffer, etc) I don't think that Joe would be so classless.

Apart from any other consideration, elections aren't only about who voters are for, but also about who they';re against. The likely GOP nominee is a distinctly unappetizing prospect.

[riclag]

51 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Both Biden and Trump too old for the Presidency.  Can’t we have better candidates?

Hope not ! I want to see the full fury

of the swing voter unleashed on his Abomination of a administration !imop

Im going with experience and supporting people who believe in no wars and traditional family values ! !

I think the swing voters have seen enough!

 

 

Edited July 12, 2023 by riclag

[earlinclaifornia]

8 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

I don't see old joe lasting much longer as pres. And positively can't see him being the dem candidate. His trip to the UK was pretty funny as King Charles tried to navigate joe around and make his stop talking to the guards. He's good for a laugh.

Strange sense of humor you seem to have but its a contrast to the Palace take.

A Buckingham Palace source relayed to People that Charles was “entirely comfortable” with Biden’s decorum.

https://nypost.com/2023/07/11/palace-breaks-silence-on-bidens-protocol-breach-with-king-charles/

 

[EVENKEEL]

1 minute ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Strange sense of humor you seem to have but its a contrast to the Palace take.

A Buckingham Palace source relayed to People that Charles was “entirely comfortable” with Biden’s decorum.

https://nypost.com/2023/07/11/palace-breaks-silence-on-bidens-protocol-breach-with-king-charles/

 

Reminds me of Mr Bean, love that guy.

[Hanaguma]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Apart from any other consideration, elections aren't only about who voters are for, but also about who they';re against. The likely GOP nominee is a distinctly unappetizing prospect.

Very true.  That is why I am hoping for a sea change in the GOP voters. Enough flirting with danger, time to pick a candidate who can beat Biden. Which is really anybody....except one. It's a long time till the Iowa caucuses.

[KannikaP]

9 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Far past his sell by date, as others have said some new blood would be welcome.

Hopefully like Thailand from tomorrow onwards.

[Pink Mist]

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[rattlesnake]

What did they expect, coming from this guy?

 

Biden said two-party system in South was 'good for the Negro'

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-said-two-party-system-in-south-was-good-for-the-negro

[rattlesnake]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Ping me when Joe Biden starts scapegoating minorities and mocking the afflicted.

 

 

In 2007, he referred to Barack Obama as “the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean.”

In 2006, he said, “You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”

Way back in 1977, he said that forced busing to desegregate schools would cause his children to “grow up in a racial jungle.”

 

https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/bidens-history-getting-away-racist-remarks

[LosLobo]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

Hope not ! I want to see the full fury

of the swing voter unleashed on his Abomination of a administration !imop

Im going with experience and supporting people who believe in no wars and traditional family values ! !

I think the swing voters have seen enough!

 

 

If you are suggesting Trump, he lacks any ‘decency-and-dignity’ and has none of your criteria.

 

He has no experience or family values.

 

Also Trump, 'a wartime president combating coronavirus' needlessly lost possibly more Americans due to his political COVID response than all the US casualties from both the First and Second World wars.

 

Trump labels himself ‘a wartime president’ combating coronavirus - POLITICO

[earlinclaifornia]

2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Very true.  That is why I am hoping for a sea change in the GOP voters. Enough flirting with danger, time to pick a candidate who can beat Biden. Which is really anybody....except one. It's a long time till the Iowa caucuses.

You sound like a person who has a ton of wild optimism by believing this Trump nightmare may end.

More accurately this is called the GOP reality that you need to live with. Time will not save you.

 

Edited July 12, 2023 by earlinclaifornia

[sirineou]

Say what you want, 

Fox Agenda Rage Tribe  (FART) is always good for a laugh. ????

[Tug]

4 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Say what you want, 

Fox Agenda Rage Tribe  (FART) is always good for a laugh. ????

Gotta be easy on the retrumplikans they are hangry after trying to survive on nothing burgers all this time the minions are desperate for red meat after there last whistle blower great hope was exposed as a real flakey Chinese Iranian tool.so now the latest greatest attempt is Joe Biden has a short temper a sad pathetic desperation move ……..perhaps they might try some policy ideas……. 

[sirineou]

2 minutes ago, Tug said:

Gotta be easy on the retrumplikans

I did!! I Used small words and tried to talk slow ????

[Tug]

24 minutes ago, sirineou said:

I did!! I Used small words and tried to talk slow ????

And now they have received another blow inflation is down to 3% in June it was at 9.1 % this time last year oh well guess haters gotta hate! Now that’s results! Yes Joe is elderly yes we wish he was younger but that team under his guidance has reaped rewards for America and the world order!good rewards!joe Biden you sir are one magnificent old duffer love ya even if ya are a grump!

[sirineou]

5 minutes ago, Tug said:

And now they have received another blow inflation is down to 3% in June it was at 9.1 % this time last year oh well guess haters gotta hate! Now that’s results! Yes Joe is elderly yes we wish he was younger but that team under his guidance has reaped rewards for America and the world order!good rewards!joe Biden you sir are one magnificent old duffer love ya even if ya are a grump!

Not sure I am happy inflation is down,  I have a significant amount invested in treasuries that will be maturing in a few months . Because inflation in the US was higher I bought at 4.7% annual yield, (the yield is pegged on inflation) But if I want to roll it over I will have to do at a lower yield rate. Or look at a different low risk investment vehicle . Also My social security COLA (cost of living adjustment) is going to be a lot lower this year than last.  Perhaps Joe should stop doing as good as he is with the economy, at least Until I roll my investments over. ????

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

And now they have received another blow inflation is down to 3% in June it was at 9.1 % this time last year oh well guess haters gotta hate! Now that’s results! Yes Joe is elderly yes we wish he was younger but that team under his guidance has reaped rewards for America and the world order!good rewards!joe Biden you sir are one magnificent old duffer love ya even if ya are a grump!

Yeah, pretty good. Just a bit more and he can get it down to the 1.8% it was in 2019 when.........whatshisname.... was President.

[Tug]

18 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Yeah, pretty good. Just a bit more and he can get it down to the 1.8% it was in 2019 when.........whatshisname.... was President.

You must be referring to our Donald pre pandemic .the guy who blew up the national debt 25% mismanaged a pandemic that killed 1.1 million Americans shived our allies in the guts sucked up to dictator’s enabled putin into thinking he could get away with exterminating Ukraine humm?yea that’s the guy so yup he’s making remarkable progress repairing the damage created by Trump unfortunately that’s the truth about the trump debacle 

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

You must be referring to our Donald pre pandemic .the guy who blew up the national debt 25% mismanaged a pandemic that killed 1.1 million Americans shived our allies in the guts sucked up to dictator’s enabled putin into thinking he could get away with exterminating Ukraine humm?yea that’s the guy so yup he’s making remarkable progress repairing the damage created by Trump unfortunately that’s the truth about the trump debacle 

Yes, pre pandemic. Three years of sub 3% inflation. I wasnt a fan either of how he handled Covid, too much spending and not enough freedom. Biden stupidly followed along, overspending and overcontrolling. Lockdowns and mandates were abhorrent in a free society.

 

As for our allies, he merely asked them to live up to their commitments in terms of 2% defence spending. NATO countries should be shamed about it. As I recall, Trump ALSO warned Europe in general (and Germany in particular) about becoming too dependent on Russian oil/gas. And was laughed at.

 

AH, Ukraine, invaded first under a Democratic president and again under another Democratic president.  I would have thought that, since Putin is Trump*s master, it would have been logical to invade Ukraine during the Trump presidency. But somehow he waited until Trump was out of office. Wonder why...

 

And all of that matters little when the majority of the American public think that Biden should not run again, and that he is putting the country on the wrong track.

[The Old Bull]

Biden is senile Trump is a crackpot and DeSantis is a nazi, the democratic system the yanks like to chirp about does not serve them well.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, The Old Bull said:

Biden is senile Trump is a crackpot and DeSantis is a nazi, the democratic system the yanks like to chirp about does not serve them well.

Yes, comrade troll.

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56 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes, pre pandemic. Three years of sub 3% inflation. I wasnt a fan either of how he handled Covid, too much spending and not enough freedom. Biden stupidly followed along, overspending and overcontrolling. Lockdowns and mandates were abhorrent in a free society.

 

As for our allies, he merely asked them to live up to their commitments in terms of 2% defence spending. NATO countries should be shamed about it. As I recall, Trump ALSO warned Europe in general (and Germany in particular) about becoming too dependent on Russian oil/gas. And was laughed at.

 

AH, Ukraine, invaded first under a Democratic president and again under another Democratic president.  I would have thought that, since Putin is Trump*s master, it would have been logical to invade Ukraine during the Trump presidency. But somehow he waited until Trump was out of office. Wonder why...

 

And all of that matters little when the majority of the American public think that Biden should not run again, and that he is putting the country on the wrong track.

You are seriously crediting Donald Trump or his adminstration with the low inflation rate? Ever hear of the logical fallacy post hoc ergo propter hoc?  After this therefore because of this? Actually, the inflation rate under Obama was lower.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/inflation-cpi

In fact the inflation rate of the EU was lower than America's during the time of the Trump administration

https://tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/inflation-cpi

The post covid inflation problem was one that affected most of the industrialized world, Japan has staved it off for a while because it hugely subsidizes consumer goods. But even there it climbed about 5 percentage points at its peak.

https://tradingeconomics.com/japan/inflation-cpi

What you're indulging in is the same kind of selective amnesia. that right wingers engaged in against the Obama administration. He inherited an economy in the worst shape it had been since the Great Depression. Biden inherited an economy that was badly disrupted by supply chain issues that led to inflation and a war that compounded the problem.

Anyway, the good news, and I'm sure you'll be delighted by this, is that the latest inflation figure for the US is now 3%. Down from 9%. Japan's inflation figures for June aren't in yet, but it's possible that the USA will have the lowest June inflation figures out of all the G7 nations.  And the trends look good to keep it going down. 

 

Actually, Germany and other nations weren't in violation of their commitments. And by the way, Trump was very late to the party when it comes to warning about overdependence on Russian gas. Obama and Biden beat him to it by years.

 

And you repeat the nonsense about Putin waiting for Trump to be out of office. What in Trump's conduct would lead Putin to fear him? As you clearly don't recall, Congress had to threaten Trump with legal action to force him to release military aid to the Ukrainians. Not everything that happens in the world has to do with America.

 

And the polls didn't say that Americans thought Biden was putting the country on the wrong track. They thought that the country was on the wrong track. That said, inflation is rapidly declining and unemployment is very low.   Let's see what the public thinks a year from now if present trends continue.