Officials at the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum in Poland have criticized Fox News host Greg Gutfeld for saying on air that Jewish people survived Nazi concentration camps by being “useful.”

“While it is true that some Jews may have used their skills or usefulness to increase their chances of survival during the Holocaust, it is essential to contextualize this statement properly and understand that it does not represent the complex history of the genocide perpetrated by Nazi Germany,” the Auschwitz Memorial said in a six-paragraph post early Tuesday on the social media service X, formerly known as Twitter.

 

“While it is accurate to acknowledge that some Jews may have survived temporarily due to their perceived usefulness, it is crucial to remember that the Holocaust was a systematic genocide with the ultimate aim of exterminating the entire Jewish population,” the memorial said in part. “It would be more appropriate to say that some Jews survived the Holocaust because they were considered temporarily useful, and the circumstances of the Nazi regime’s collapse prevented their murder.” 

“We should avoid such oversimplifications in talking about this complex tragic story,” the memorial added.

 

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I don't get the problem. It is common in all situations of oppression and terror. Some victims can parlay their skills into survival in spite of the horror of the situation. It does not detract from the overall horrid situation at all. 

 

The media is really stretching here.

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I don't get the problem. It is common in all situations of oppression and terror. Some victims can parlay their skills into survival in spite of the horror of the situation. It does not detract from the overall horrid situation at all. 

 

The media is really stretching here.

I don’t believe you don't get it.

The explanation is in the OP.

24 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I don’t believe you don't get it.

The explanation is in the OP.

Is it because he didn't do the requisite throat-clearing explanation of 'of course the Holocaust was human tragedy on an industrial scale....'? Because everybody knows that.  In a panel discussion there is no time for that kind of thing. 

34 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I don't get the problem. It is common in all situations of oppression and terror. Some victims can parlay their skills into survival in spite of the horror of the situation. It does not detract from the overall horrid situation at all. 

 

The media is really stretching here.

Sigh……and btw it was a statement from the museum that made the statement Gutfeld made a crass and insensitive comment he deserves the heat

40 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I don't get the problem. It is common in all situations of oppression and terror. Some victims can parlay their skills into survival in spite of the horror of the situation.

You would be hilarious at a funeral .

To the grieving widow: " On the bright side he would make good fertilizer for that tree,so he is still useful"

43 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I don’t believe you don't get it.

The explanation is in the OP.

No, you don’t get it. The media left turns truth into fiction and fiction into truth. Yet many foolishly continue to fall for it. It’s the same play used by 1930’s-1940’s Germany, Chinese revolutionary’s and ussr. It’s fascinating to watch and read the rationalizations and arguments to justify being misled. 

45 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Is it because he didn't do the requisite throat-clearing explanation of 'of course the Holocaust was human tragedy on an industrial scale....'? Because everybody knows that.  In a panel discussion there is no time for that kind of thing. 

Everyone knows that!?!

Don't make a fool of yourself. 

They most certainly do not. 

 

31 states don't require schools to teach about the Holocaust. Some laws are changing that | CNN

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12 minutes ago, novacova said:

No, you don’t get it. The media left turns truth into fiction and fiction into truth. Yet many foolishly continue to fall for it. It’s the same play used by 1930’s-1940’s Germany, Chinese revolutionary’s and ussr. It’s fascinating to watch and read the rationalizations and arguments to justify being misled. 

Tin foil mad hattery. 

9 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

I don't get the problem. It is common in all situations of oppression and terror. Some victims can parlay their skills into survival in spite of the horror of the situation. It does not detract from the overall horrid situation at all. 

 

The media is really stretching here.

 

Probably the most well known because of the movie would be sobibor craftsmen goldsmiths  'Shlomo' Szmajzner and his brother who escaped the camp and survived. Others did what they had to including hundreds of very talented workers at the underground V2 facility at Mittelbau-Dora and closer to Auschwitz was the Siemans factory at Monowitz. Picture:

 

In usual Fox fashion they snatched this and ran with it: someone made remarks about how well Blacks folks had it under slavery recently.  Yeah, how come they didn't appreciate the opportunity to learn to pick cotton, and so on.  So this pea-brain brings it over to the holocaust.

Gutfeld is the personification of a backed-up toilet.

 

Look who defends it. 

4 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

I don't get the problem. It is common in all situations of oppression and terror. Some victims can parlay their skills into survival in spite of the horror of the situation. It does not detract from the overall horrid situation at all. 

 

The media is really stretching here.

Indeed. What he said was correct. Unfortunately he isn't fluent in NewSpeak.

 

“Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.” Orwell, 1984.

6 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

I don't get the problem. It is common in all situations of oppression and terror. Some victims can parlay their skills into survival in spite of the horror of the situation. It does not detract from the overall horrid situation at all. 

 

The media is really stretching here.

As usual, the context is important Gutfeld made a comparison between black people alegedly benefiting from slavery (sic),  and concentration camps.

He was replying to (quote from the OP):

"Jessica Tarlov, a panelist on “The Five” who is Jewish, said she was “uncomfortable” with the implication that some Black people benefited from slavery and asked whether one could make a similar argument about Jews who were imprisoned at concentration camps during World War II, when Adolf Hitler’s genocidal regime murdered about 6 million Jews and also targeted Romany people, homosexuals and political dissidents."

 

And....he did!

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2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Look who defends it. 

Come on! It's only because they like Fox News! ????

(Sarcasm alert)

24 minutes ago, candide said:

As usual, the context is important Gutfeld made a comparison between black people alegedly benefiting from slavery (sic),  and concentration camps.

He was replying to (quote from the OP):

"Jessica Tarlov, a panelist on “The Five” who is Jewish, said she was “uncomfortable” with the implication that some Black people benefited from slavery and asked whether one could make a similar argument about Jews who were imprisoned at concentration camps during World War II, when Adolf Hitler’s genocidal regime murdered about 6 million Jews and also targeted Romany people, homosexuals and political dissidents."

 

And....he did!

Except the premise that black people benefitted from slavery is NOT in the curriculum in Florida, nor did Gutfeld say that Jews benefitted from the Holocaust. The point he was making is that people do whatever they can to survive, if that means collaborating with the oppressor then so be it.  

 

The comparison with slavery is not accurate IMHO. There was no genocidal intent in slavery.  And slaves often did develop (or were taught) skills that benefitted their owners. These same skills later (when slavery was abolished) benefitted some of the freed slaves. How is that controversial? A slave who was a blacksmith could use those same skills to work as a free man.

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Except the premise that black people benefitted from slavery is NOT in the curriculum in Florida, nor did Gutfeld say that Jews benefitted from the Holocaust. The point he was making is that people do whatever they can to survive, if that means collaborating with the oppressor then so be it.  

 

The comparison with slavery is not accurate IMHO. There was no genocidal intent in slavery.  And slaves often did develop (or were taught) skills that benefitted their owners. These same skills later (when slavery was abolished) benefitted some of the freed slaves. How is that controversial? A slave who was a blacksmith could use those same skills to work as a free man.

"Except the premise that black people benefitted from slavery is NOT in the curriculum in Florida"

 

I think you will find it is..............

 

DeSantis defends Florida curriculum that suggests slaves benefited from forced labour

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis defended a hard-right school curriculum that went into effect in his state this week while on the campaign trail for the Republican presidential nomination.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/desantis-florida-slavery-schools-gop-b2380508.html

19 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Except the premise that black people benefitted from slavery is NOT in the curriculum in Florida, nor did Gutfeld say that Jews benefitted from the Holocaust. The point he was making is that people do whatever they can to survive, if that means collaborating with the oppressor then so be it.  

 

The comparison with slavery is not accurate IMHO. There was no genocidal intent in slavery.  And slaves often did develop (or were taught) skills that benefitted their owners. These same skills later (when slavery was abolished) benefitted some of the freed slaves. How is that controversial? A slave who was a blacksmith could use those same skills to work as a free man.

Well, he could just have said that it is not comparable, or that both cases were bad. He said what he said (probably partly by stupidity).

 

To re-use one of your previous forms of argument, it is obvious that former slaves were able to use what they have been forced to learn as slave.

They why was it stressed (see Bkk Brian post before)? If not for suggesting that, after all, slavery was not that bad.

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24 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

"Except the premise that black people benefitted from slavery is NOT in the curriculum in Florida"

 

I think you will find it is..............

 

DeSantis defends Florida curriculum that suggests slaves benefited from forced labour

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis defended a hard-right school curriculum that went into effect in his state this week while on the campaign trail for the Republican presidential nomination.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/desantis-florida-slavery-schools-gop-b2380508.html

I believe that slavery is mentioned 191 times in the curriculum in Florida. One time it tangentally mentions the skills that slaves learned which might have been useful after they were freed.

 

Pretty thin gruel here.

5 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I believe that slavery is mentioned 191 times in the curriculum in Florida. One time it tangentally mentions the skills that slaves learned which might have been useful after they were freed.

 

Pretty thin gruel here.

However contradicts your earlier claim, that why I posted it so you could see it is in the curriculum.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

However contradicts your earlier claim, that why I posted it so you could see it is in the curriculum.

They did not benefit from slavery.  As in "wow, good thing we were sold to those white folks! We get a free boat ride to the New World! Now we can learn to farm!".

Rather, they were clever and resourceful enough to use what they took from their experience as slaves.

 

Perhaps you can't see the difference in nuance. It all stems from Kamala Harris gaslighting what she read on Twitter about the curriculum and her attempt to turn it into a Democratic talking point. 

It's always Fox with the worst racist scum.

28 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I believe that slavery is mentioned 191 times in the curriculum in Florida. One time it tangentally mentions the skills that slaves learned which might have been useful after they were freed.

 

Pretty thin gruel here.

Source please that the new curriculum mentions slavery 191 times?

58 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Except the premise that black people benefitted from slavery is NOT in the curriculum in Florida, nor did Gutfeld say that Jews benefitted from the Holocaust. The point he was making is that people do whatever they can to survive, if that means collaborating with the oppressor then so be it.  

 

The comparison with slavery is not accurate IMHO. There was no genocidal intent in slavery.  And slaves often did develop (or were taught) skills that benefitted their owners. These same skills later (when slavery was abolished) benefitted some of the freed slaves. How is that controversial? A slave who was a blacksmith could use those same skills to work as a free man.

Correct me if I’m wrong.

 

The Nazi used victims of the Holocaust as slave labor?

 

Not so much victims of the Nazis ‘parlaying’ their skills as being enslaved by the brutality of the Nazi killing machine.

 

 

7 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

I don't get the problem. It is common in all situations of oppression and terror. Some victims can parlay their skills into survival in spite of the horror of the situation. It does not detract from the overall horrid situation at all. 

 

The media is really stretching here.

 

 

26 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

They did not benefit from slavery.  As in "wow, good thing we were sold to those white folks! We get a free boat ride to the New World! Now we can learn to farm!".

Rather, they were clever and resourceful enough to use what they took from their experience as slaves.

 

Perhaps you can't see the difference in nuance. It all stems from Kamala Harris gaslighting what she read on Twitter about the curriculum and her attempt to turn it into a Democratic talking point. 

If they hadn't been coincidentally liberated as a result of the south losing the Civil War they would have died as slaves as did most slaves in the history of the American south. 

I think you're totally wrong. 

Talking about benefitting from skills is a type of right wing propaganda to soften the utter brutality of slavery. Along the same lines as the kind of garbage taught in the past such as many of them were happy to be slaves. They don't want white kids to feel bad. That's not teaching history. They have said as much and that is stupid. That's right wing INDOCTRINATION. 

 

BTW, on a personal note I have lived in the deep American south. As I do have white skin, I have wondered if modern black people wonder or even assume that my ancestors were slave masters. It's not a pleasant feeling, but I wouldn't blame them if they did. When I visited Germany as a teen I had a hard look at every older German and ... wondered. 

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19 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

They did not benefit from slavery.  As in "wow, good thing we were sold to those white folks! We get a free boat ride to the New World! Now we can learn to farm!".

Rather, they were clever and resourceful enough to use what they took from their experience as slaves.

 

Perhaps you can't see the difference in nuance. It all stems from Kamala Harris gaslighting what she read on Twitter about the curriculum and her attempt to turn it into a Democratic talking point. 

Gaslighting you say.

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Source please that the new curriculum mentions slavery 191 times?

Sure! Here ya go;

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-joins-lefts-attacks-horrendous-florida-history-curriculum

 

and

 

https://voz.us/even-cnn-criticizes-harris-for-her-remarks-on-slavery-in-florida-school-curriculum/?lang=en

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Correct me if I’m wrong.

 

The Nazi used victims of the Holocaust as slave labor?

 

Not so much victims of the Nazis ‘parlaying’ their skills as being enslaved by the brutality of the Nazi killing machine.

 

 

 

 

The Nazis intention was to murder each and every Jew sooner or later. Gutfeld is a disgusting troll. 

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The Nazis intention was to murder each and every Jew sooner or later. Gutfeld is a disgusting troll. 

Yes he is, but as we see he has his admirers.

 

Some can never go low enough.

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

If they hadn't been coincidentally liberated as a result of the south losing the Civil War they would have died as slaves as did most slaves in the history of the American south. 

I think you're totally wrong. 

Talking about benefitting from skills is a type of right wing propaganda to soften the utter brutality of slavery. Along the same lines as the kind of garbage taught in the past such as many of them were happy to be slaves. They don't want white kids to feel bad. That's not teaching history. They have said as much and that is stupid. That's right wing INDOCTRINATION. 

 

I disagree.

 

Rather it is a compliment to the resilience of the survivors, and a testament to their perseverence.  Something that their descendents should be proud of. 

 

And white kids shouldn't feel bad. They didn't do it. Nor did their parents, grandparents, or great grandparents.  The idea of intergenerational guilt is very, well, fascist.