Members Choice UK to retain EU safety mark in latest Brexit climbdown

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1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

The government intends to extend recognition of the CE marking for placing most goods on the market in Great Britain, indefinitely, beyond December 2024. These updates apply to the 18 regulations that fall under the Department for Business and Trade (DBT). These are:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-the-ukca-marking

In other words, there is no good reason to go for the UKCA mark, is there? Obviously the CE mark allows a business the option of getting into export. Why forego that?

[vinny41]

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

Why would any business go to the bother and expense of getting certified to qualify for the UKCA mark if the existing CE mark is sufficient?

There are different rules for medical devices, construction products, cableways, transportable pressure equipment, unmanned aircraft systems, rail products, marine equipment and ecodesign. The relevant departments covering these sectors either have communicated, or will communicate, plans in due course.

This page will be updated to reflect the changes in due course.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-the-ukca-marking

All of the above are not covered by the recent announcement

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, placeholder said:

In other words, there is no good reason to go for the UKCA mark, is there? Obviously the CE mark allows a business the option of getting into export. Why forego that?

Businesses understand this.

 

It’s a pity the UK Government didn’t listen to Businesses before embarking on their failed UKCA fiasco.

 

How much has it all cost I wonder?

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

There are different rules for medical devices, construction products, cableways, transportable pressure equipment, unmanned aircraft systems, rail products, marine equipment and ecodesign. The relevant departments covering these sectors either have communicated, or will communicate, plans in due course.

This page will be updated to reflect the changes in due course.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-the-ukca-marking

All of the above are not covered by the recent announcement

But will once Sunak’s has got over his usual dither and delay.

 

Unless of course someone has a sound argument as to why these other sectors are immune to the problems the failed UKCA presents and have no need of the well established and functioning CE Mark.

 

Clearly UKCA is dead in the water.

 

What a waste of time and money.

 

 

Edited August 3, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

In other words, there is no good reason to go for the UKCA mark, is there? Obviously the CE mark allows a business the option of getting into export. Why forego that?

Clearly someone else that didn't read the updated UKCA Gov page

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-the-ukca-marking

As not everything is covered by the recent announcement

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But will once Sunak’s has got over his usual dither and delay.

 

Unless of course someone has a sound Argus’s to why these other sectors are immune to the problems the failed UKCA presents and have no need of the well established and functioning CE Mark.

And your evidence is or is it Sorry Guv I just made it up

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Clearly someone else that didn't read the updated UKCA Gov page

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-the-ukca-marking

As not everything is covered by the recent announcement

Dither and delay in UK Government, we already know about the inability of this Government to make coherent and consistent decisions, they are though rather good at U-Turns and walking their nonsense ideas back.

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2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Clearly someone else that didn't read the updated UKCA Gov page

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-the-ukca-marking

As not everything is covered by the recent announcement

Here's the update:

 

" 1 August 2023

Updated the 'call to action' banner before the main body of text, to list the sectors the CE marking will continue to apply to. This is because the UK government intends to continue to recognise the CE marking across England, Wales and Scotland, indefinitely, beyond December 2024"

 

What's your point?

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Dither and delay in UK Government, we already know about the inability of this Government to make coherent and consistent decisions, they are though rather good at U-Turns and walking their nonsense ideas back.

No different from a Labour  Government then

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

And your evidence is or is it Sorry Guv I just made it up

No it isn’t “sorry gov I just made it up”.

 

My evidence is the already applied U-Turn.

 

The idea of mixed CE / UKCA marking depending upon which industry is the kind of bureaucracy generating madness that only a BREXITEER could defend.

 

 

 

 

 

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Here's the update:

 

" 1 August 2023

Updated the 'call to action' banner before the main body of text, to list the sectors the CE marking will continue to apply to. This is because the UK government intends to continue to recognise the CE marking across England, Wales and Scotland, indefinitely, beyond December 2024"

 

What's your point?

As the link states

There are different rules for medical devices, construction products, cableways, transportable pressure equipment, unmanned aircraft systems, rail products, marine equipment and ecodesign. The relevant departments covering these sectors either have communicated, or will communicate, plans in due course.

This page will be updated to reflect the changes in due course.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

No different from a Labour  Government then

But but but….whatabout… whatabout 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

As the link states

There are different rules for medical devices, construction products, cableways, transportable pressure equipment, unmanned aircraft systems, rail products, marine equipment and ecodesign. The relevant departments covering these sectors either have communicated, or will communicate, plans in due course.

This page will be updated to reflect the changes in due course.

You know we are going to have fun discussing the CE mark when extended to these sectors.

 

I’m certainly looking forward to it.

 

”The relevant departments covering these sectors either have communicated, or will communicate, plans in due course.”

 

 

Edited August 3, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

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13 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

There are different rules for medical devices, construction products, cableways, transportable pressure equipment, unmanned aircraft systems, rail products, marine equipment and ecodesign. The relevant departments covering these sectors either have communicated, or will communicate, plans in due course.

This page will be updated to reflect the changes in due course.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-the-ukca-marking

All of the above are not covered by the recent announcement

Here's also what the government said:

"Ministers said the move would give businesses certainty and would prevent a cliff-edge in December next year, when the UKCA mark was due to be introduced.
You really think that the government is going to be shoving some industries off the cliff? Actually, given the quality of their governance, you may have a point.

[vinny41]

“Caveat Emptor – Buyer Beware” 

 CE Marking is a legislative requirement. It is not a mark of safety, nor a mark of quality, and has never been intended as a mark for consumers.

http://www.anec.eu/attachments/ANEC-SC-2012-G-026final.pdf

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

“Caveat Emptor – Buyer Beware” 

 CE Marking is a legislative requirement. It is not a mark of safety, nor a mark of quality, and has never been intended as a mark for consumers.

http://www.anec.eu/attachments/ANEC-SC-2012-G-026final.pdf

An EU legislative requirement, now extended indefinitely in the UK.

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

“Caveat Emptor – Buyer Beware” 

 CE Marking is a legislative requirement. It is not a mark of safety, nor a mark of quality, and has never been intended as a mark for consumers.

http://www.anec.eu/attachments/ANEC-SC-2012-G-026final.pdf

Thats why some business prefer to have the BSI Kitemark on their products

Circular Computing receives the world’s first and only BSI Kitemark™ for remanufactured laptops as part of a bigger right-to-repair movement

https://tech.eu/2023/06/16/circular-computing-and-bsi-join-forces-to-bring-recycled-laptops-to-the-mainstream-achieving-carbon-neutral-certification/

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

An EU legislative requirement, now extended indefinitely in the UK.

As previously stated only for products covered by  18 regulations

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

As previously stated only for products covered by  18 regulations

Yep, EU regulations.

 

More to come.

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4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

So we're keeping a logo for a few more years. Big deal. The main point is we won't be paying billions of pounds into the failing, corrupt EU federalist project to prop up countries like Greece and Poland. We'll just use their logo, essentially picking the parts we want. All the benefits with none of the drawbacks. No flies on the UK. 

 

Really? No flies? You think all the owners and managers who wasted time and money to qualify for the mark agree with you?

[sandyf]

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Strange huh. It's almost like there was no cliff edge after all.

Tell that to the companies that can no longer export.

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

More topically, how much has the failed UKCA fiasco cost the UK tax payers and UK manufacturers?

 

Would pale into insignificance compared to the cost of brexit.

Every chance manufacturers have done very little in respect of UKCA, they do not spend money on government whims until forced.

[JonnyF]

11 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Tell that to the companies that can no longer export.

I am not aware of any.

 

After all the drama they seem to have acknowledged it's just a bit of paperwork.

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Experiences differ, my own is in the engineering of process plant control systems, I have never once been told nor instructed anyone else to breach any regulation, CE or otherwise.

 

EU standardized regulations have been a very positive development for systems integrators.

 

However, your experiences of management of UK manufacturers of gas appliances instructing staff to breach regulations in order to save money is an example of how UKCA might offer a chance for UK manufacturers to offer lower quality products to the domestic UK market.

 

Though I’m not sure such gas appliances constitute a BREXIT bonus.

Yes experiences differ and  yours obviously had little to with product CE certification. You really think those who breach regulations are bothered about who created the regulations. You obviously jumped to one conclusion on the breach of regulations, saving money does not equate to a reduction in quality. Changing a component for one of a similar or better quality may or may not save the company some money. Failing to update the technical file could save the company a substantial amount of money.

The UK had lower quality products before CE marking and it wasn't a good thing. Only a certain mentality would want to go back there.

[sandyf]

16 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I am not aware of any.

No surprise there, brexiteers have always had their head in the sand.

[sandyf]

20 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

After all the drama they seem to have acknowledged it's just a bit of paperwork.

No doubt you think they have given up selling to the EU in favour of the far east & Oz.

 

This is evidenced by the fact that one in eight small exporters have temporarily or permanently stopped selling to the EU and a further nine per cent are thinking about it, according to the Federation of Small Businesses' Small Business Index.

https://www.fsb.org.uk/resources-page/international-trade-how-small-firms-are-responding-to-brexit-challenges.html

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10 minutes ago, sandyf said:

No surprise there, brexiteers have always had their head in the sand.

Not me, I respect what folk voted for, obviously you don't.........????

[dunroaming]

On 8/1/2023 at 9:32 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

The interesting thing about this latest BREXIT climbdown is the fact that keeping the CE certification requires keeping the laws, regulations and standards upon which the CE certification is founded.

 

 

Just another climbdown.  Whisper it though!  Brexit falling apart day by day.  Nobody can claim that Brexit is the cause of all of Britain's woes but it is a hell of a big nail in the coffin!

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Would pale into insignificance compared to the cost of brexit.

Every chance manufacturers have done very little in respect of UKCA, they do not spend money on government whims until forced.

The costs associated with the UKCA fiasco are an addition to the costs of BREXIT, they are part of the mess that is BREXIT.

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1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The costs associated with the UKCA fiasco are an addition to the costs of BREXIT, they are part of the mess that is BREXIT.

I see you are having a good BREXIT day....................????