Man who threatened Biden shot dead in FBI raid in Utah

[ozimoron]

Is there some evidence that this man was incapable of carrying his gun out to a car and driving somewhere? That's the argument being put by his apologists.

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Just now, ozimoron said:

Is there some evidence that this man was incapable of carrying his gun out to a car and driving somewhere? That's the argument being put by his apologists.

Well, the could have waited him out. But that could have necessitated evacuating the neighborhood for who knows how long.

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, the could have waited him out. But that could have necessitated evacuating the neighborhood for who knows how long.

And not just the neighbors, those weapons were capable of firing hundreds of bullets in a few seconds which would carry for long distances and pose a huge threat in an urban environment. The FBI would not have known whether or not he had bump stocks or extended magazines either.

Edited August 12, 2023 by ozimoron

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3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

And not just the neighbors, those weapons were capable of firing hundreds of bullets in a few seconds which would carry for long distances and pose a huge threat in an urban environment. The FBI would not have known whether or not he had bump stocks or extended magazines either.

Good point.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

CH knows he misspoke about the trigger finger and you're not helping.

CH knows nothing of the sort.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

No more fictionalizing than those who say that he was waving a gun at the agents who kicked down his door. I would be happy to be wrong about this- assuming the FBI were wearing body cameras it could be cleared up in a jiffy. 

 

Any recent photos of Robertson show him sitting or leaning against something. A 75 year old 300 pound man is largely immobile.

But still able to pull a trigger.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

I think they should have waited patiently outside in the road after disconnecting his utils & blocking his cell. No need to break into his home, but obviously easier for them to hide what happens if it's inside. The armed nutters always defend their homes, much more peaceful to get them to come out voluntarily.

 

Pure conspiracy garbage.

 

Think something up, anything you want, then claim it possible because you’ve not seen evidence to refute the garbage you yourself dreamed up.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

27 minutes ago, NextG said:

 

That’s actually him dressed up. Harmless old man?

Nobody who is intentionally pointing a gun at someone else is ‘harmless’.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

CH knows nothing of the sort.

Wait a minute. Are you claiming that evenkeel is not a mindreader? I'm shocked!

[BritManToo]

42 minutes ago, NextG said:

What if a survivalist and had a bunker specifically designed to wait out for months? How long should they wait outside? A month? Two months?

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12395171/Family-Utah-man-Craig-Robertson-killed-FBI-release-statement-following-death.html

 

Does he look like a ‘harmless old guy’ to you?

 

 

From your link, age 75 and obese (elderly and homebound)  ........ so fairly harmless IMHO.

 

From an eyewitness,

"'I don't think he was even given a chance to even see a warrant when they went in and raided house,' Bunch added." 

'As an elderly- and largely homebound-man, there was very little he could do but exercise his First Amendment right to free speech and voice his protest in what has become the public square of our age — the internet and social media,' his family also said in their statement."

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Just now, BritManToo said:

From your link, age 75 and obese (elderly and homebound)  ........ so fairly harmless IMHO.

 

From an eyewitness,

"'I don't think he was even given a chance to even see a warrant when they went in and raided house,' Bunch added." 

'As an elderly- and largely homebound-man, there was very little he could do but exercise his First Amendment right to free speech and voice his protest in what has become the public square of our age — the internet and social media,' his family also said in their statement."

"I don't think..." In other words, he doesn't know.

As for the First Amendment claim...it doesn't cover death threats.

[BritManToo]

28 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Pure conspiracy garbage.

 

Think something up, anything you want, then claim it possible because you’ve not seen evidence to refute the garbage you yourself dreamed up.

 

 

Odd, you're usually all for people's rights, I think less of you for this post.

The elderly and mentally ill (possibly suffering from dementia) should be treated with care and compassion, not shot in their own homes.

 

The FBI ruled this housebound guy a 'credible threat' to a Biden visit later that day.

Blocking his driveway for the day would have been enough to removed any credible threat until Biden would have been out of his reach again. 

 

It's not as if Biden was going to drive past his house.

Edited August 12, 2023 by BritManToo

[EVENKEEL]

32 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

CH knows nothing of the sort.

I only know what you wrote. I can't read minds so I don't know what you meant.

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1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

Odd, you're usually all for people's rights, I think less of you for this post.

The elderly and mentally ill (possibly suffering from dementia) should be treated with care and compassion, not shot in their own homes.

If someone is elderly and making death threats, and/or is demented, he shouldn't be in possession of weapons. Maybe his family should stop blaming the Feds and look at themselves to assign culpability.

[BritManToo]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

If someone is elderly and making death threats, and/or is demented, he shouldn't be in possession of weapons. Maybe his family should stop blaming the Feds and look at themselves to assign culpability.

Obviously, I don't think less of you for your post.

 

What has the world come to when the woke, liberal socialist, climate alarmists revel in the killing of a 75 year old man by law enforcement officers? 

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Just now, BritManToo said:

Obviously, I don't think less of you for your post.

 

What has the world come to when the woke, liberal socialist, climate alarmists revel in the killing of a 75 year old man by law enforcement officers? 

Obviously, I couldn't care less what you think of me.

And where have I reveled in the death of this person? Stop making things up.

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10 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I only know what you wrote. I can't read minds so I don't know what you meant.

Nonsense. First off, you did claim to know what he meant by your unhedged interpretation of his remark. Which was further confirmed by your claim that Chomper Higgott agreed with you.

 

And if his comment has been made out of the blue you might possibly have a point. But it was made in reply to someone else. So the content was clear to anyone who didn't willfully ignore it. 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

 

What has the world come to when the woke, liberal socialist, climate alarmists revel in the killing of a 75 year old man by law enforcement officers? 

The old guy making violent threats with a gun in his hand is obviously not the only one with his finger on a trigger.

[Bkk Brian]

24 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Obviously, I don't think less of you for your post.

 

What has the world come to when the woke, liberal socialist, climate alarmists revel in the killing of a 75 year old man by law enforcement officers? 

What has the world come to when you falsely claim that anybody here is reveling in this mans death.

 

You've made it clear you don't believe circumstances as presented by the FBI so there's little reasoning with you. You even went on to claim that the killing of unarmed civilians happens often in the UK by law enforcement. I have to say you're deluded.

[ICU Kid]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What has the world come to when you falsely claim that anybody here is reveling in this mans death.

 

You've made it clear you don't believe circumstances as presented by the FBI so there's little reasoning with you. You even went on to claim that the killing of unarmed civilians happens often in the UK by law enforcement. I have to say you're deluded.

Like most on here, you have an 'off the shelf' democrat worldview so your cultural programming doesn't allow you to consider anything outside of the box which you are in.  

 

That's fine though.  

 

Scott Fitzgerald famously wrote:

“The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. One should, for example, be able to see that things are hopeless yet be determined to make them otherwise.”

 

“Any year that passes in which you don’t destroy one of your best-loved ideas is a wasted year,” says Charlie Munger. 

 

 

Edited August 12, 2023 by ICU Kid

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, ICU Kid said:

Like most on here, you have an 'off the shelf' democrat worldview so your cultural programming doesn't allow you to consider anything outside of the box which you are in.  

 

That's fine though.  

 

 

 

 

Way off the mark on all counts. 

 

That's ok though. It was expected from you.

[NextG]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

From your link, age 75 and obese (elderly and homebound)  ........ so fairly harmless IMHO.

 

From an eyewitness,

"'I don't think he was even given a chance to even see a warrant when they went in and raided house,' Bunch added." 

'As an elderly- and largely homebound-man, there was very little he could do but exercise his First Amendment right to free speech and voice his protest in what has become the public square of our age — the internet and social media,' his family also said in their statement."

Yes, that’s what the family are saying. What else do you expect them to say? How do you explain away the equipment he is wearing and brandishing? Just for fun?

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Nonsense. First off, you did claim to know what he meant by your unhedged interpretation of his remark. Which was further confirmed by your claim that Chomper Higgott agreed with you.

 

And if his comment has been made out of the blue you might possibly have a point. But it was made in reply to someone else. So the content was clear to anyone who didn't willfully ignore it. 

 

I'm sure your nonsensical post has a meaning to you, for me not so much. Keep practicing, I'm sure you'll improve over time.

[NextG]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Obviously, I don't think less of you for your post.

 

What has the world come to when the woke, liberal socialist, climate alarmists revel in the killing of a 75 year old man by law enforcement officers? 

You are posting nonsense again…

[BritManToo]

Just now, NextG said:

Yes, that’s what the family are saying. What else do you expect them to say? How do you explain away the equipment he is wearing and brandishing? Just for fun?

It's just a silly selfie.

Millions of people dress up to take selfies.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

It's just a silly selfie.

Millions of people dress up to take selfies.

Really, like this?

[NextG]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Odd, you're usually all for people's rights, I think less of you for this post.

The elderly and mentally ill (possibly suffering from dementia) should be treated with care and compassion, not shot in their own homes.

 

The FBI ruled this housebound guy a 'credible threat' to a Biden visit later that day.

Blocking his driveway for the day would have been enough to removed any credible threat until Biden would have been out of his reach again. 

 

It's not as if Biden was going to drive past his house.

Do you think it was only about Biden’s visit? Was that his only threat?

Why don’t you try it here and see where it gets you? Elderly and mentally ill? Not even his family claims mental illness. He chose to live by the sword…

[NextG]

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

It's just a silly selfie.

Millions of people dress up to take selfies.

If you keep this up, we may have to take you in for a mandatory IQ test. Beginning to not believe your earlier claims of 140+

[BritManToo]

2 minutes ago, NextG said:

Do you think it was only about Biden’s visit? Was that his only threat?

Why don’t you try it here and see where it gets you? Elderly and mentally ill? Not even his family claims mental illness. He chose to live by the sword…

I think 'credible threat' is the point.

Housebound elderly folk can't really be much of a threat to anyone outside their house.

[CharlieH]

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