All asylum seekers being housed onboard a controversial barge are being removed because of potentially deadly bacteria in the water system, it has been confirmed.

Home Office sources said legionella had been identified on the Bibby Stockholm, the 222-bedroom hulk hired by the Home Office as part of a £1.6bn immigration deal.

 

The first asylum seekers boarded on Monday, and by Friday there were 39 onboard the vessel, which is docked in Portland Port, Dorset.

People can get lung infections, such as legionnaires’ disease or Pontiac fever, if they breathe in small droplets of water in the air that contain the bacteria. No one has so far been identified as contracting the disease.

A Home Office spokesperson said environmental samples from the water system on the Bibby Stockholm had shown levels of legionella bacteria that required further investigation.

“As a precautionary measure, all 39 asylum seekers who arrived on the vessel this week are being disembarked while further assessments are undertaken. No individuals on board have presented with symptoms of legionnaires’ [disease], and asylum seekers are being provided with appropriate advice and support.”

They said the samples related only to the water system on the barge and there was “no direct risk indication” for the rest of Portland. They were not related to fresh water entering the vessel.

 

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The farce continues.

 

Honestly, the ability of this Government to waste tax payers money on crackpot schemes that fail at the first hurdle never ceases to astound me.

 

Apart from the waste, grandstanding a claimed solution to a problem of the Government’s own making, which then turns out to be an incompetent mess.

 

 

David Davies says that the UK government is showing startling incompetence in the disastrous commissioning of the Bibby Stockholm.

 

I disagree. There is nothing startling about it at all. Anyone with an ounce of wits could tell that anything and everything this shower is low grade grifters touches turns to custard. They are only good at graft and low-level fascism.

 

Bibby Stockholm evacuation shows 'startling incompetence'

22 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

David Davies says that the UK government is showing startling incompetence in the disastrous commissioning of the Bibby Stockholm.

 

I disagree. There is nothing startling about it at all. Anyone with an ounce of wits could tell that anything and everything this shower is low grade grifters touches turns to custard. They are only good at graft and low-level fascism.

 

Bibby Stockholm evacuation shows 'startling incompetence'

The immigrants, that's a bit strong..................?    

Incompetent not to have checked for this before it was used.

You the immigrants in, you put the immigrants out.

In, out, in, out, shake it all about

You do the Hokey Cokey and pass tax payers money around .

That’s what it’s all about.

 

Oh the Hokey Cokey.

Oh the Hokey Cokey

Oh the Hokey Cokey.

 

Laws bent, rules stretched,  ra ra ra. 

 

35 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Incompetent not to have checked for this before it was used.

Perhaps it was.................

49 minutes ago, transam said:

The immigrants, that's a bit strong..................?    

Whilst they are immigrants of a sort, they are illegal immigrants without any visa of any kind.

 

IMHO they should be towed back to France and their boats sunk.

 

They are the responsibility of the French government. If the French don't want them, then they should stop them entering France in the first place.

 

If the do-gooders don't like that idea then they should take ALL the illegal immigrants into their own home, and assume full responsibility for the immigrants accommodation, food and spending money. 

 

From what I have seen and read on the MSM the majority are fit young males and should be back in their own country helping to rebuild it.

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

Whilst they are immigrants of a sort, they are illegal immigrants without any visa of any kind.

 

IMHO they should be towed back to France and their boats sunk.

 

They are the responsibility of the French government. If the French don't want them, then they should stop them entering France in the first place.

 

If the do-gooders don't like that idea then they should take ALL the illegal immigrants into their own home, and assume full responsibility for the immigrants accommodation, food and spending money. 

 

From what I have seen and read on the MSM the majority are fit young males and should be back in their own country helping to rebuild it.

I agree totally.............????

PS. I was taking the mickey out of the post I replied too...????

9 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Whilst they are immigrants of a sort, they are illegal immigrants without any visa of any kind.

 

IMHO they should be towed back to France and their boats sunk.

 

They are the responsibility of the French government. If the French don't want them, then they should stop them entering France in the first place.

 

If the do-gooders don't like that idea then they should take ALL the illegal immigrants into their own home, and assume full responsibility for the immigrants accommodation, food and spending money. 

 

From what I have seen and read on the MSM the majority are fit young males and should be back in their own country helping to rebuild it.

Nonsense.

 

The immigrants are indisputably ‘asylum seekers’, refer Government statements in link attached.

 

UK law requires their claim for asylum be reviewed.

 

Nobody objects to bogus asylum seekers being deported.

 

The Government’s failure to clear asylum applications is the reason bogus asylum seekers remain in the UK.

 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/asylum-accommodation-factsheets/factsheet-asylum-accommodation-on-a-vessel-in-portland-port

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4 hours ago, billd766 said:

Whilst they are immigrants of a sort, they are illegal immigrants without any visa of any kind.

 

IMHO they should be towed back to France and their boats sunk.

 

They are the responsibility of the French government. If the French don't want them, then they should stop them entering France in the first place.

 

If the do-gooders don't like that idea then they should take ALL the illegal immigrants into their own home, and assume full responsibility for the immigrants accommodation, food and spending money. 

 

From what I have seen and read on the MSM the majority are fit young males and should be back in their own country helping to rebuild it.

Illegal immigrants attempting to enter the UK are not the responsibility of the French government and they are as big - if not a bigger problem - for France as they are for the UK. Most illegal immigrants entering Europe do so via Greece, Italy or Turkey where the problem is much greater than the one which the UK has.

 

The solution is obvious. Stop the flow of illegal immigrants at source. Implementing measures to achieve the desired result is a lot less obvious.

I don't understand the problem. 

 

If there is a backlog of asylum seekers applications surely it's cheaper to just employ more staff to process the forms? 

 

It's got to be more expensice getting this huge ship and staffing and running it than employing some more office staff..

 

Also, if they have this backlog, then what have they done to fix it?  Once the ship is full they will have a backlog PLUS the extra backlog of the people on the boat. 

 

Apparently it's costing more to house the people on the ship than housing them in the hotels. 

 

The government also paid for 2 more massive cruse ships to house hundreds more asylum seekers...but did not check about docking the ships so had to send the ships back.  How stupid is that?  They also won't tell us how much money they paid for them or if they are even getting a refund. 

 

It's so dumn. These people can't organise anything, some school kids could do a better job for their class project.  

 

The UK government is making the UK a joke.  It's embarrassing ????

 

They told us that if we left Europe that they could then stop / control immigration.  So why is it worse now?  Did they lie or are they simply totally incompetent? 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 12, 20232 yr by jak2002003

6 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

Did they lie

Yes

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12 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

I don't understand the problem. 

 

If there is a backlog of asylum seekers applications surely it's cheaper to just employ more staff to process the forms? 

 

It's got to be more expensice getting this huge ship and staffing and running it than employing some more office staff..

 

Also, if they have this backlog, then what have they done to fix it?  Once the ship is full they will have a backlog PLUS the extra backlog of the people on the boat. 

 

Apparently it's costing more to house the people on the ship than housing them in the hotels. 

 

The government also paid for 2 more massive cruse ships to house hundreds more asylum seekers...but did not check about docking the ships so had to send the ships back.  How stupid is that?  They also won't tell us how much money they paid for them or if they are even getting a refund. 

 

It's so dumn. These people can't organise anything, some school kids could do a better job for their class project.  

 

The UK government is making the UK a joke.  It's embarrassing ????

 

They told us that if we left Europe that they could then stop / control immigration.  So why is it worse now?  Did they lie or are they simply totally incompetent? 

 

 

 

 

No they didn't lie any country in the world including the uk can control legal immigration through visa mechanisms

Its impossible for any country that has signed up to the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights to control illegal immigration unless they choose to remove themselves from the 1948 Declaration of Human Rights

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

No they didn't lie any country in the world including the uk can control legal immigration through visa mechanisms

Its impossible for any country that has signed up to the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights to control illegal immigration unless they choose to remove themselves from the 1948 Declaration of Human Rights

That’s a wild claim.

 

Do you have evidence of a country failing to control illegal immigration until it removed itself from the 1948 Declaration of Human Rights.

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s a wild claim.

 

Do you have evidence of a country failing to control illegal immigration until it removed itself from the 1948 Declaration of Human Rights.

 

Look at the countries that didn't sign up to the 1948 Declaration of Human Rights.

Eight abstained: six communist nations, led by the Soviet Union, plus South Africa and Saudi Arabia. Pakistan, which signed the declaration, disagreed and critiqued the Saudi position, as did Turkey, a predominantly Muslim nation. Honduras and Yemen, both members of the U.N., failed to either vote or abstain.

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/united-nations-adopts-universal-declaration-of-human-rights-dec-10-1948-216489#:~:text=Eight abstained%3A six communist nations,to either vote or abstain.

Türkiye maintains a geographical limitation to the 1951 Refugee Convention and only applies it to refugees originating from European countries

So if your European you can submit an claim for Asylum in Turkey

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

Look at the countries that didn't sign up to the 1948 Declaration of Human Rights.

Eight abstained: six communist nations, led by the Soviet Union, plus South Africa and Saudi Arabia. Pakistan, which signed the declaration, disagreed and critiqued the Saudi position, as did Turkey, a predominantly Muslim nation. Honduras and Yemen, both members of the U.N., failed to either vote or abstain.

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/united-nations-adopts-universal-declaration-of-human-rights-dec-10-1948-216489#:~:text=Eight abstained%3A six communist nations,to either vote or abstain.

Türkiye maintains a geographical limitation to the 1951 Refugee Convention and only applies it to refugees originating from European countries

So if your European you can submit an claim for Asylum in Turkey

Oh, the countries people flee from.

 

What an aspiration for a nation to aim for.

18 hours ago, RayC said:

Illegal immigrants attempting to enter the UK are not the responsibility of the French government and they are as big - if not a bigger problem - for France as they are for the UK. Most illegal immigrants entering Europe do so via Greece, Italy or Turkey where the problem is much greater than the one which the UK has.

 

The solution is obvious. Stop the flow of illegal immigrants at source. Implementing measures to achieve the desired result is a lot less obvious.

If they are not the responsibility of the French government, how to they get to the UK across the channel?

 

quote "The solution is obvious. Stop the flow of illegal immigrants at source. Implementing measures to achieve the desired result is a lot less obvious".

 

And which countries are going to stop the illegal immigrants at the source, and how do you suggest that they do it?

17 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

I don't understand the problem. 

 

If there is a backlog of asylum seekers applications surely it's cheaper to just employ more staff to process the forms? 

 

It's got to be more expensice getting this huge ship and staffing and running it than employing some more office staff..

 

Also, if they have this backlog, then what have they done to fix it?  Once the ship is full they will have a backlog PLUS the extra backlog of the people on the boat. 

 

Apparently it's costing more to house the people on the ship than housing them in the hotels. 

 

The government also paid for 2 more massive cruse ships to house hundreds more asylum seekers...but did not check about docking the ships so had to send the ships back.  How stupid is that?  They also won't tell us how much money they paid for them or if they are even getting a refund. 

 

It's so dumn. These people can't organise anything, some school kids could do a better job for their class project.  

 

The UK government is making the UK a joke.  It's embarrassing ????

 

They told us that if we left Europe that they could then stop / control immigration.  So why is it worse now?  Did they lie or are they simply totally incompetent? 

 

 

 

 

You omitted 'and'.

Did they lie and/or are they simply totally incompetent? 

17 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

I don't understand the problem. 

 

If there is a backlog of asylum seekers applications surely it's cheaper to just employ more staff to process the forms? 

 

It's got to be more expensice getting this huge ship and staffing and running it than employing some more office staff..

 

Also, if they have this backlog, then what have they done to fix it?  Once the ship is full they will have a backlog PLUS the extra backlog of the people on the boat. 

 

Apparently it's costing more to house the people on the ship than housing them in the hotels. 

 

The government also paid for 2 more massive cruse ships to house hundreds more asylum seekers...but did not check about docking the ships so had to send the ships back.  How stupid is that?  They also won't tell us how much money they paid for them or if they are even getting a refund. 

 

It's so dumn. These people can't organise anything, some school kids could do a better job for their class project.  

 

The UK government is making the UK a joke.  It's embarrassing ????

 

They told us that if we left Europe that they could then stop / control immigration.  So why is it worse now?  Did they lie or are they simply totally incompetent? 

 

 

 

 

You never mentioned the present problem is the rubber boats and the French letting them do it by the thousands.

...Strange that.............

18 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

I don't understand the problem. 

 

If there is a backlog of asylum seekers applications surely it's cheaper to just employ more staff to process the forms? 

 

It's got to be more expensice getting this huge ship and staffing and running it than employing some more office staff..

 

Also, if they have this backlog, then what have they done to fix it?  Once the ship is full they will have a backlog PLUS the extra backlog of the people on the boat. 

 

Apparently it's costing more to house the people on the ship than housing them in the hotels. 

 

The government also paid for 2 more massive cruse ships to house hundreds more asylum seekers...but did not check about docking the ships so had to send the ships back.  How stupid is that?  They also won't tell us how much money they paid for them or if they are even getting a refund. 

 

It's so dumn. These people can't organise anything, some school kids could do a better job for their class project.  

 

The UK government is making the UK a joke.  It's embarrassing ????

 

They told us that if we left Europe that they could then stop / control immigration.  So why is it worse now?  Did they lie or are they simply totally incompetent? 

 

 

 

 

How long do you think it takes to train an immigration officer from scratch?

 

Have you thought through where will you base these new officers and what will be required?  You will need offices, transport, salaries, even uniforms.

 

If you believe it is so simple that even some school kids could do a better job for their class project, what sensible suggestions have you come up with.

 

After all you are supposedly smarter than school children.

 

IMHO, the best solution would be to stop the illegals from leaving their home countries. That is a simple solution but one that impossible to work as the illegals don't use normal crossings or apply legally through embassies.

 

As I understand it the fit young men (and most of them are) borrow the money somewhere/somehow, and basically abandon their families and head for the streets paved with gold in the west.

 

Theoretically it should be possible to track down the facilitators and jail them for life. In reality they will simply buy their freedom from the corrupt officials that they work with and through.

 

To do that you may have to arrest and jail at least half the officials in the country up to and including all the leaders, most of the police and immigration officials in that country. Who will do that when there is so much money to be made?

 

I honestly think that there is NOT any real solution, easy or hard to fix the problem.

Edited August 13, 20232 yr by billd766
corrected some bad spelling

7 minutes ago, billd766 said:

How long do you think it takes to train an immigration officer from scratch?

 

Have you thought through where will you base these new officers and what will be required?  You will need offices, transport, salaries, even uniforms.

 

If you believe it is so simple that even some school kids could do a better job for their class project, what sensible suggestions have you come up with.

 

After all you are supposedly smarter than school children.

 

IMHO, the best solution would be to stop the illegals from leaving their home countries. That is a simple solution but one that impossible to work as the illegals don't use normal crossings or apply legally through embassies.

 

As I understand it the fit young men (and most of them are) borrow the money somewhere/somehow, and basically abandon their families and head for the streets paved with gold in the west.

 

Theoretically it should be possible to track down the facilitators and jail them for life. In reality they will simply buy their freedom from the corrupt officials that they work with and through.

 

To do that you may have to arrest and jail at least half the officials in the country up to and including all the leaders, most of the police and immigration officials in that country. Who will do that when there is so much money to be made?

 

I honestly think that there is NOT any real solution, easy or hard to fix the problem.

I think some here think their Labour Party will crack it in no time, bit like Trump ending the Ukraine war in a day.............????

We are witnessing a Government deliberately leaving as big a mess as possible for the next Labour or Labour led Government to deal with in 18 months time.

It is not only immigration but the destruction of the NHS, the emergency services, the nation's infrastructure, the civil service (the machinery of Government) and ultimately the economy. All against a backdrop of lies, cronyism, internal party bickering and gross incompetence.

Edited August 13, 20232 yr by champers

5 minutes ago, champers said:

We are witnessing a Government deliberately leaving as big a mess as possible for the next Labour or Labour led Government to deal with in 18 months time.

It is not only immigration but the destruction of the NHS, the emergency services, the nation's infrastructure, the civil service (the machinery of Government) and ultimately the economy. All against a backdrop of lies, cronyism, internal party bickering and gross incompetence.

A lefty post, which is rather daft....."Deliberately"..............????

I have a friend in the UK who is a barrister, specialising in human rights law and cases.

 

Our friendship nearly foundered on the reefs and shoals of Brexit. She wrote a restaurant review on a local Facebook page, managing to blame Brexit for something or other, and I mentioned that they did an excellent gammon steak. After a few acerbic comments she had the grace to admit to seeing the funny side!

 

Anyway, in recent years she has bought a very nice country cottage, and amassed a collection of half a dozen classic cars (the latest is a Railton - they don't come cheap!). The bulk of her work is publicly funded appearing on behalf of "asylum seekers" and other undocumented illegal immigrants.

Edited August 13, 20232 yr by herfiehandbag

 

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

If they are not the responsibility of the French government, how to they get to the UK across the channel?

Unless they are French nationals they are not the responsibility of the French government once they leave France.

 

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

 

quote "The solution is obvious. Stop the flow of illegal immigrants at source. Implementing measures to achieve the desired result is a lot less obvious".

 

And which countries are going to stop the illegal immigrants at the source, and how do you suggest that they do it?

The 'source countries' are predominantly African and Middle Eastern.

 

I can't offer any solutions. I would have thought that was implicit in the sentence of mine which you quoted?  "Implementing measures to achieve the desired result is a lot less obvious".