World chess federation bars transgender women from competing in women's events

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GENEVA (AP) - The world's top chess federation has ruled that transgender women cannot compete in its official events for women until its officials make an assessment of gender change.

The decision by the Switzerland-based federation FIDE, published on Monday, has drawn criticism from advocacy groups and supporters of transgender rights.

FIDE said it and its member federations increasingly have received recognition requests from players who identify as transgender, and that the participation of transgender women would depend on an analysis of individual cases that could take up to two years.

 

"Change of gender is a change that has a significant impact on a player´s status and future eligibility to tournaments, therefore it can only be made if there is a relevant proof of the change provided," the federation said.

"In the event that the gender was changed from a male to a female the player has no right to participate in official FIDE events for women until further FIDE´s decision is made," it said.

Holders of women's titles who change their genders to male would see those titles "abolished," the federation said, while holding out the possibility of a reinstatement "if the person changes the gender back to a woman."

 

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[VocalNeal]

Quite right. There maybe many genders but there are only biologically two sexes. 

 

If a person believes they have been born into the wrong body then OK. Have all the bits modified and change to what you want to be.

 

But you can't be a man and simply claim you are a woman in order to break all the , say, female swimming records. Or in this case beat women at chess.

[EVENKEEL]

Does this mean men are smarter than women?

[Bert got kinky]

I am totally behind banning transgender women from competing in women's sports, my reasons for this is that in most sports their is an obvious advantage to being born a male.

 

However, Chess?

This makes no sense at all.

[Eleftheros]

5 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Does this mean men are smarter than women?

No. It means that, for whatever reasons, the very best male chess players are better than the very best female players.

 

Even the phenomenal Judit Polgar, who was the world No 1 ranked female player for 25 years in a row, could never get higher than No. 8 in the world in the overall rankings. No other woman comes even close to Polgar's achievements.

[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

No. It means that, for whatever reasons, the very best male chess players are better than the very best female players.

 

Even the phenomenal Judit Polgar, who was the world No 1 ranked female player for 25 years in a row, could never get higher than No. 8 in the world in the overall rankings. No other woman comes even close to Polgar's achievements.

The whatever reason could be intelligence, couldn't it?

[Eleftheros]

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

The whatever reason could be intelligence, couldn't it?

There are bound to be multiple factors involved. One could simply be mental stamina, as chess is mentally draining to play. Another could be that more boys take up chess than girls in the first place, creating a larger pool of talent.

 

To dip a toe into a sensitive subject, there is some research suggesting that while average intelligence is similar in men and women, the spread of intelligence is greater in men; that is, there are more male geniuses than female geniuses, but also more male morons than female morons.

[Crossy]

23 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

Another could be that more boys take up chess than girls in the first place, creating a larger pool of talent.

 

Yeah, I believe this is why the women-only events were organised in the first place, to get more girls into the "sport". But how a trans-woman would be at an advantage I'm not really sure.

 

 

[johnnybangkok]

48 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

No. It means that, for whatever reasons, the very best male chess players are better than the very best female players.

 

Even the phenomenal Judit Polgar, who was the world No 1 ranked female player for 25 years in a row, could never get higher than No. 8 in the world in the overall rankings. No other woman comes even close to Polgar's achievements.

Thanks for your post. At first glance I had a tendency to go with other posters and question the advantage a trans chess player would have over female players (pretty obvious in other sports where physicality is a factor) but your post has cleared that up.

It also reminds me that as amazing as Venus and Serena Williams are, they still couldn't beat a man ranked 203 in the world. I'm all up for trans rights but when it comes to sport, the physical (and now mental) superiority of men means trans women should never be allowed to compete with 'natural' women. Thankfully most sporting bodies are now seeing this as well and imposing similar bans. 

[JonnyF]

I would have thought that games like chess would be one of the few that women could complete against men. Maybe not win, but at least be competitive. I wonder why they can't?

 

In sports where strength is a key factor it is totally ridiculous of course, as proven recently when a trans woman lifted 200 (yes two hundred) kilos more than the second place finisher.????

 

https://nypost.com/2023/08/16/canadian-powerlifter-april-hutchinson-reacts-to-biological-male-anne-andres-breaking-womens-national-record/

 

 

Best to just keep it simple and ban all trans women from womens sport before we end up with a situation where a biological male legally kills a biological female in a boxing ring on national TV in the name of "diversity". Sounds like something from that 80's movie  "Running Man" with Arnie.

[OneMoreFarang]

I am surprised that that is something like women's chess.

Playing chess is all about the brain. This would only make sense if women and men would have considerable different IQs. As far as I know that is not the case.

[jak2002003]

1 hour ago, Bert got kinky said:

I am totally behind banning transgender women from competing in women's sports, my reasons for this is that in most sports their is an obvious advantage to being born a male.

 

However, Chess?

This makes no sense at all.

I'm for banning fit and strong men from men's sports as they have an advantage over small weaker men lol. 

[jak2002003]

4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I am surprised that that is something like women's chess.

Playing chess is all about the brain. This would only make sense if women and men would have considerable different IQs. As far as I know that is not the case.

Agree. Seems totally sexist to me. 

[Eleftheros]

2 hours ago, Eleftheros said:

To dip a toe into a sensitive subject, there is some research suggesting that while average intelligence is similar in men and women, the spread of intelligence is greater in men; that is, there are more male geniuses than female geniuses, but also more male morons than female morons.

The research I quoted earlier in the thread suggests one reason (out of many) why this is unlikely to be "totally sexist".

 

I'm sure that cultural aspects play a role, but there sure to be multiple factors involved.

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

.. I'm all up for trans rights but when it comes to sport, the physical (and now mental) superiority of men means trans women should never be allowed to compete with 'natural' women. Thankfully most sporting bodies are now seeing this as well and imposing similar bans. 

Despite all efforts by the woke media to make you believe in a biological impossibility, there is no such thing as a 'trans woman'  or a 'trans man'.  You are born male or female, and no amount of denying your sex, including barbaric surgery and hormone therapy, or 'pronouns'  (hahaha) can ever change that.  

We currently live in a clown world where such absurdities are now embraced in a false attempt at tolerance for diversity.  

 

Edited August 18, 2023 by Red Phoenix

[Goat]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Does this mean men are smarter than women?

Of course we are.

Us blokes have invented and produced everything that makes our lives so great now, heating, refridgeration, cars, trucks, trains, ships, planes, spaceships, radio, tv, internet etc etc etc.

 

We would still be in the dark ages in the dark if we had waited for women to do something.

If they didnt have vaginas and boobs we would throw rocks at them.

[Peabody]

3 hours ago, Eleftheros said:

there are more male geniuses than female geniuses, but also more male morons than female morons.

It's definitely the second group that promulgated this rule

[carlyai]

3 hours ago, Bert got kinky said:

I am totally behind banning transgender women from competing in women's sports, my reasons for this is that in most sports their is an obvious advantage to being born a male.

 

However, Chess?

This makes no sense at all.

Bigger hands, bigger legs, bigger brains etc.

[Tippaporn]

5 hours ago, Social Media said:

FIDE said it and its member federations increasingly have received recognition requests from players who identify as transgender, and that the participation of transgender women would depend on an analysis of individual cases that could take up to two years.

An analysis based on what?  XX and XY chromosomes?  Why would that determination take two years make?  How long does it take to drop your shorts to see?

Genders for humans follow biological sex.  Per the dictionary definition for 'gender:'

Either of the two divisions, designated female and male, by which most organisms are classified on the basis of their reproductive organs and functions; sex.

 

Gender dysphoria, which is identity confusion, is a mental disorder.  The cure is to face reality.  Mutilating your body to match your identity crisis is not the cure.  The FIDE should, therefore, establish it's rules strictly on the basis of biological sex.  Not on mental disorders.  As to trans rights, you have a right to your mental disorder but that's as far as your trans rights go.
 

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Despite all efforts by the woke media to make you believe in a biological impossibility, there is no such thing as a 'trans woman'  or a 'trans man'.  You are born male or female, and no amount of denying your sex, including barbaric surgery and hormone therapy, or 'pronouns'  (hahaha) can ever change that.  

We currently live in a clown world where such absurdities are now embraced in a false attempt at tolerance for diversity.  

 

Here's a poster who understands the issue quite well.  And for myself I refuse to live in a clown world.

 

Edited August 18, 2023 by Tippaporn

[Oliver Holzerfilled]

Funny that.  Seems chess is the only competition these days where they won't allow the king to be a queen.

[Tippaporn]

6 minutes ago, Oliver Holzerfilled said:

Funny that.  Seems chess is the only competition these days where they won't allow the king to be a queen.

Or the queen to be the king.  I thought about that.  If I made my king the queen not only would I have a major advantage but I could never lose, either.  There's no king to put in check mate.  Perhaps a trans player would say doing that would be his trans right.  Anything goes in a clown world, right?

Reality.  Who needs it.  Just make up whatever as you go along.

 

Edited August 18, 2023 by Tippaporn

[n00dle]

not sure why an iteectualpursuit would need gender segregation. Physical activities sure, but why does chess need a womens league?

[Red Phoenix]

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Gender dysphoria, which is identity confusion, is a mental disorder.  The cure is to face reality.  Mutilating your body to match your identity crisis is not the cure.  The FIDE should, therefore, establish it's rules strictly on the basis of biological sex.  Not on mental disorders.  As to trans rights, you have a right to your mental disorder but that's as far as your rights go.

Well said!

And of course it should not only be the FIDE, but every sports federations should base their competition criteria on biological sex.  It's tell tale of the current madness and confusion in our society, that this age-old standard practice based on biological sex is now being challenged.  And spineless officials instead of laughing that woke nonsense away, are changing the competition rules resulting in very predictable outcomes like shattering of long-standing records by the 'new' women. 

Obviously this travesty is not limited to sports, but has permeated the whole of Western society.

[Red Phoenix]

6 minutes ago, n00dle said:

not sure why an iteectualpursuit would need gender segregation. Physical activities sure, but why does chess need a womens league?

 @Eleftheros eloquently addressed that issue in two of his earlier posts.

[Tippaporn]

5 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Well said!

And of course it should not only be the FIDE, but every sports federations should base their competition criteria on biological sex.  It's tell tale of the current madness and confusion in our society, that this age-old standard practice based on biological sex is now being challenged.  And spineless officials instead of laughing that woke nonsense away, are changing the competition rules resulting in very predictable outcomes like shattering of long-standing records by the 'new' women. 

Obviously this travesty is not limited to sports, but has permeated the whole of Western society.

And yes, the FIDE is being spineless (dickless) in their decision for they hold out a way for a trans mental patient to eventually, possibly qualify.

[Tippaporn]

3 hours ago, Eleftheros said:

The research I quoted earlier in the thread suggests one reason (out of many) why this is unlikely to be "totally sexist".

 

I'm sure that cultural aspects play a role, but there sure to be multiple factors involved.

The "sexist" label is itself a disingenuous canard used by those who have trouble distinguishing perceived reality from actual, rockbed reality.  That there are differences between the sexes is something only a fool would attempt to deny.  So if one were to point out any of those differences then the "sexist" label is immediately slapped on you by these folks who have difficulty interpreting reality and you are forever a "bad" person.

Perhaps those innate differences between the sexes also extends to purely mental endeavours such as chess and that these differences were obvious enough to be recognised, thus resulting in the FIDE creating separate competitions based on gender.

Someone might want to pose that specific question to the FIDE as to their reasoning that caused them to settle on gender based competitions rather than a single competition for both male and female entrants.

[NoDisplayName]

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I am surprised that that is something like women's chess.

Playing chess is all about the brain. This would only make sense if women and men would have considerable different IQs. As far as I know that is not the case.

It's not the IQ, as in how "smart," but could be about the thinking process.

Male and Female brains appear to be wired differently, using slightly different processes to reach conclusions.  That may affect an individual's ability to think strategically.  If it's an evolved ability, the strategy required to care for children is different that the strategy required to bring down a saber-tooth giraffe.

[Tippaporn]

11 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

Male and Female brains appear to be wired differently, using slightly different processes to reach conclusions.

Totally "sexist."  Aren't you ashamed of yourself? 

 

11 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

If it's an evolved ability, the strategy required to care for children is different that the strategy required to bring down a saber-tooth giraffe.

  Now that's a great example.  I love the imagery of a saber-tooth giraffe.  A long time ago I was married to one of those.  But she took me down. 

 

Edited August 18, 2023 by Tippaporn

[NoDisplayName]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Totally "sexist."  Aren't you ashamed of yourself? 

 

  Now that's a great example.  I love the imagery of a saber-tooth giraffe. 

Sorry.

I forgot.

In the world of the woke, evolution is rayciss/sexisss/coloniss/suppemaciss.

Unless it fights the patriarchy, something, something.

 

 

[Tippaporn]

6 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

Sorry.

I forgot.

In the world of the woke, evolution is rayciss/sexisss/coloniss/suppemaciss.

Unless it fights the patriarchy, something, something.

You're not a white male by chance, are you?  Lord help you if you're Christian, too.  That would be three strikes. 

 

Edited August 18, 2023 by Tippaporn