16 hours ago, Tug said:

Ahh just so you know Clinton budget surplus Obama led us out of the 08 crash and Biden has achieved a lot of positive legislation nothing is perfect but such a blanket statement is patently untrue 

People who call clinton or obama stupid don't seem to grasp the concept that both of them are very high IQ guys ....while many may not agree with a lot of what they do or their policies but neither is stupid...i would put their IQ and knowledge of the world light years beyond a lot of the so called leaders today.

 

Obama could talk intelligently for hours on just about any topic thrown at him...and contrary to what brain dead republicans said over and over that he read everything off a teleprompter (another big LIE)  it is amazing how he must have known in advance that some reporter was going to shout a question at him at random asking about some little known or discussed country and he could rattle off who the leaders were  along with a long list of details about that country. Obama has forgotten more details about the world than most others will  know in several lifetimes.

13 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Think train crash.

It's gruesome for sure

17 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

You still can't come to grips with Trump's campaign manager handing the Russians polling data so the Russians could micro-target US voters.

 

That's Collusion 101.

Link?

On 8/24/2023 at 9:41 AM, SunnyinBangrak said:

After the left's Russia colluision hoax and years of dreadful lies surrounding the biden ukraine corruption which both led to fraudulent impeachments based on the lies, and the malevolant censorship banning factual rebuttal to the left's barmy conspiracy theories nobody in their right mind would trust the democrats now.

 They can't say ok ok we lied about the Steele dossier, we banned inconvenient facts for years, we lied for years accusing your president of having cheated in an election by conspiring and colluding with Russia to game the result. But this time we telling the truth. We're serial. Yeah right....

 Fact is, Trump is a more honest person than biden. 

Here is Inmate No P01135809 colluding with Russia...

 

 

Edited August 25, 20232 yr by LosLobo

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Link?

Seriously?  How do you not know this?

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/trump-campaign-chief-paul-manafort-employee-kilimnik-gave-russia-election-data.html

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/paul-manafort-gave-trump-campaign-data-russians

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/903512647/senate-report-former-trump-aide-paul-manafort-shared-campaign-info-with-russia

 

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/512526-manafort-shared-campaign-info-with-russian-intelligence-officer/

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Link?

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-paul-manafort-russia-campaigns-konstantin-kilimnik-d2fdefdb37077e28eba135e21fce6ebf

 

A Treasury Department statement Thursday offered a potentially significant clue, asserting that Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian and Ukrainian political consultant, had shared sensitive campaign and polling information with Russian intelligence services.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/trump-campaign-chief-paul-manafort-employee-kilimnik-gave-russia-election-data.html

 

Manafort’s associate, Konstantin Kilimnik, “also sought to promote the narrative that Ukraine, not Russia, had interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election,” the Treasury Department said as the Biden administration announced new sanctions on Russia, Kilimnik and others.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-campaign-chief-paul-manafort-owns-up-to-passing-sensitive-data-to-suspected-russian-agent

 

Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign chairman Paul Manafort on Monday publicly admitted that he gave polling data to Konstantin Kilimnik, a suspected Russian intelligence asset. The U.S. Treasury Department says the data—which it described as “sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy”—was then passed to Russian intelligence services. 

 

This was common knowledge back during the Mueller investigation.

Simple answer:

 

50% of Americans have below average IQ.

 

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On 8/24/2023 at 12:27 PM, KhunLA said:

And yet, some DEMs & AN members can't see pass the farce.

 

And REPs are not better, they are all scum.

In fact, anyone who does not agree with me!

20 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-paul-manafort-russia-campaigns-konstantin-kilimnik-d2fdefdb37077e28eba135e21fce6ebf

 

A Treasury Department statement Thursday offered a potentially significant clue, asserting that Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian and Ukrainian political consultant, had shared sensitive campaign and polling information with Russian intelligence services.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/trump-campaign-chief-paul-manafort-employee-kilimnik-gave-russia-election-data.html

 

Manafort’s associate, Konstantin Kilimnik, “also sought to promote the narrative that Ukraine, not Russia, had interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election,” the Treasury Department said as the Biden administration announced new sanctions on Russia, Kilimnik and others.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-campaign-chief-paul-manafort-owns-up-to-passing-sensitive-data-to-suspected-russian-agent

 

Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign chairman Paul Manafort on Monday publicly admitted that he gave polling data to Konstantin Kilimnik, a suspected Russian intelligence asset. The U.S. Treasury Department says the data—which it described as “sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy”—was then passed to Russian intelligence services. 

 

This was common knowledge back during the Mueller investigation.

This was common knowledge back during the Mueller investigation.

Not sufficiently common to actually do anything about it, apparently.

 

relevant words in your quotes:

potentially significant clue

a suspected Russian intelligence asset

The U.S. Treasury Department says-  did they offer any proof or convict anyone of anything over that?

 

How many years ago was that? Did Trump get banged up for it? Does anyone even care about that failed investigation now?

 

Meanwhile, Trump continues to profit off every indictment, raising more money and becoming more popular as more and more people see the legal assault on him just as the election season starts for what it probably is.

Going to be hugely ironic if Trump wins BECAUSE of the legal assault on him.

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

This was common knowledge back during the Mueller investigation.

Not sufficiently common to actually do anything about it, apparently.

 

relevant words in your quotes:

potentially significant clue

a suspected Russian intelligence asset

The U.S. Treasury Department says-  did they offer any proof or convict anyone of anything over that?

 

How many years ago was that? Did Trump get banged up for it? Does anyone even care about that failed investigation now?

 

Meanwhile, Trump continues to profit off every indictment, raising more money and becoming more popular as more and more people see the legal assault on him just as the election season starts for what it probably is.

Going to be hugely ironic if Trump wins BECAUSE of the legal assault on him.

Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager, went to prison.

 

Yes, the 2016 campaign was a long time ago.

 

The Mueller investigation described "collusion" with the Russians. DOJ policy forbade Mueller from indicting Trump.

25 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager, went to prison.

 

Yes, the 2016 campaign was a long time ago.

 

The Mueller investigation described "collusion" with the Russians. DOJ policy forbade Mueller from indicting Trump.

Was this "collusion" you falsely claim regarding Trump trying to game an election? From memory when the Mueller investigation ended the result was "no obstruction no collusion". 

 

 

12 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Was this "collusion" you falsely claim regarding Trump trying to game an election? From memory when the Mueller investigation ended the result was "no obstruction no collusion".

You have incredibly poor memory, and MAGA Republicans were insisting there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, which is what Manafort was doing.

55 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager, went to prison.

 

Yes, the 2016 campaign was a long time ago.

 

The Mueller investigation described "collusion" with the Russians. DOJ policy forbade Mueller from indicting Trump.

But Trump did not got to jail and there was nothing to stop Trump being indicted on those charges after he lost the election, but he wasn't, was he?

21 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

But Trump did not got to jail and there was nothing to stop Trump being indicted on those charges after he lost the election, but he wasn't, was he?

They couldn't prove Trump was in on the sharing of data with the Russian agent.  However the fact remains that Trump's campaign manager colluded with the Russians.  There was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. 

 

What MAGA Republicans have long denied, and continue to deny, took place.  There was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.  Got it?

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

They couldn't prove Trump was in on the sharing of data with the Russian agent.  However the fact remains that Trump's campaign manager colluded with the Russians.  There was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. 

 

What MAGA Republicans have long denied, and continue to deny, took place.  There was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.  Got it?

Well, they never had a chance to prove it. Mueller said if it were not for Justice Dept policy against indicting a sitting President, he would have had grounds to go after Trump for obstruction of Justice which included broadly hinting to Paul Manafort that he could be pardoned. William Barr misrepresented the report for which he was castigated by a Federal judge.

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

This was common knowledge back during the Mueller investigation.

Not sufficiently common to actually do anything about it, apparently.

 

relevant words in your quotes:

potentially significant clue

a suspected Russian intelligence asset

The U.S. Treasury Department says-  did they offer any proof or convict anyone of anything over that?

 

How many years ago was that? Did Trump get banged up for it? Does anyone even care about that failed investigation now?

 

Meanwhile, Trump continues to profit off every indictment, raising more money and becoming more popular as more and more people see the legal assault on him just as the election season starts for what it probably is.

Going to be hugely ironic if Trump wins BECAUSE of the legal assault on him.

We're going to find out soon. The US is in talks with Assange over a plea deal. Very coincidental that it should happen at this opportune moment, no?

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Meanwhile, Trump continues to profit off every indictment, raising more money and becoming more popular as more and more people see the legal assault on him just as the election season starts for what it probably is.

Going to be hugely ironic if Trump wins BECAUSE of the legal assault on him.

You are being confused, Trump has become more popular among Republicans only.

https://www.racetothewh.com/president/polls

 

Why?

Who knows but Hillary Clinton was right about Inmate No P01135809.

 

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

We're going to find out soon. The US is in talks with Assange over a plea deal. Very coincidental that it should happen at this opportune moment, no?

No. Considering the amount of "coincidental" events going on right now.

On 8/24/2023 at 11:56 AM, gargamon said:

And I thought it was due to their low intelligence and lack of advanced education. 

 

On 8/25/2023 at 7:36 AM, heybruce said:

Don't you think you should look into what Trump is charged with and what evidence there is to support these charges before declaring it is a politically driven witch hunt?

This just writes itself, doesn't it.   ????

It's due to the rise of a large anti-establishment group who realised belatedly that their government, military and media lies to them constantly. Trump as a victim of this conspiracy has profited from it. 

3 hours ago, retarius said:

It's due to the rise of a large anti-establishment group who realised belatedly that their government, military and media lies to them constantly. Trump as a victim of this conspiracy has profited from it. 

So, you are saying that this group is tired of lies, but supports Trump who lies constantly?

 

Let me guess, you are tired of lies, but believe Trump weighs 215 pounds, right?

Fox news is a great help to convince people of Trumps innocence 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6335526100112

On 8/26/2023 at 8:26 AM, SunnyinBangrak said:

Was this "collusion" you falsely claim regarding Trump trying to game an election? From memory when the Mueller investigation ended the result was "no obstruction no collusion". 

 

 

Get a memory check. Mueller specifically said were Trump not President he would have recommended several counts against him on the charge of obstruction of justice. However, you are correct in a way about the fact that no reference was made to collusion. That's because collusion isn't a crime.

On 8/23/2023 at 9:44 PM, nauseus said:

Since 2015, how many times have the Democrats attempted to keep Trump way from the WH?

 

Of course, these indictments are the latest politically-driven phase of this witch hunt. 

Seems perhaps the "witch hunt" needs to be renamed  "republican witch hunt" since almost every single witness in all the cases are republican trumpers many of whom worked for or were appointed by trump and all voted for trump and wanted him to win....these witch hunters who have testified under oath as to what they personally saw or heard in front of a grand jury ....under oath in spite of the fact they know that they and their families will likely be targets of the maga cult death threats for years.

 

Yes i guess it is all politically driven and those incompetent dems have pulled off the biggest brainwashing of all time to convince all those republicans to go along with the "witch hunt"....it is only fair that the republicans get some credit for the witch hunt as without them and their testimony there would have been no grand jury indictments

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

So, you are saying that this group is tired of lies, but supports Trump who lies constantly?

 

Let me guess, you are tired of lies, but believe Trump weighs 215 pounds, right?

No, they just dislike the washington establishment more than they dislike Trump.

7 hours ago, retarius said:

It's due to the rise of a large anti-establishment group who realised belatedly that their government, military and media lies to them constantly. Trump as a victim of this conspiracy has profited from it. 

Would you like to buy a conspiracy tinfoil hat?

5 hours ago, pomchop said:

Seems perhaps the "witch hunt" needs to be renamed  "republican witch hunt" since almost every single witness in all the cases are republican trumpers many of whom worked for or were appointed by trump and all voted for trump and wanted him to win....these witch hunters who have testified under oath as to what they personally saw or heard in front of a grand jury ....under oath in spite of the fact they know that they and their families will likely be targets of the maga cult death threats for years.

 

Yes i guess it is all politically driven and those incompetent dems have pulled off the biggest brainwashing of all time to convince all those republicans to go along with the "witch hunt"....it is only fair that the republicans get some credit for the witch hunt as without them and their testimony there would have been no grand jury indictments

But RINOs are really republicans?

Edited August 28, 20232 yr by nauseus

Lots of folks pointing fingers in all directions.  BUT while we are all here, google the SS funds "surplus" for many years yet now we continue to see the doom and gloom within a decade.  Reagan + other political leaders had a bill passed to increase the amount of social security taxes that workers had to pay so

that the future generations would be able to get benefits without those benefits being cut.  However, Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump took those "increased"

taxes since it was mounting up so that future retirees could get their monies back.  However since all since each of these "leaders" along with our great

congress people continued to pay for their "pork barrel" projects.  Now think about all those workers who have been paying the "extra" SS tax every year,

soon to retire and being told that their benefits now will be cut drastically!  Having live in foreign countries most of my adult life, I notice that the politicians

in just about every country are as corrupt as those in the US.  I noted recently that the Indian Parliament has tried but failed to pass an anti-corruption

law for 5 years without success.  In the US too, our politicians escape insider-trading sanctions although that is illegal.  Also, I read regularly news articles when senior politicians are visiting foreign countries, they take along family members who join companies (without having to pay any monies yet receive lots of 

valuable stocks) in those companies strictly because their family is a ranking member in the congress or government office. I don't know if all the stories I read

about these activities are in fact true, but since the DOJ seems to investigate them plus, I am sure that the IRS must be keeping track.  I for one would never

trust any politician anymore, as they change their values regularly depending on whatever their audience wants, even if it is blatantly false.  After almost 60

years of being able to vote, I gave up on each of the parties so now ignore the elections.  What ever happened to the values that our founding fathers had?

Now greed and hate seem to be the determining factors for people to run for office in my opinion.

Hope all have a nice week.