Opinion Biden’s plot to send America back into lockdown must be stopped

[owl sees all]

23 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Link to your claims?

 

First seen as poisons, then as life-forms, then biological chemicals, viruses today are thought of as being in a gray area between living and nonliving: they cannot replicate on their own but can do so in truly living cells and can also affect the behavior of their hosts profoundly. 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-viruses-alive-2004/

I don't agree with you or ScientificAmerican. They and you are wrong.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, owl sees all said:

I don't agree with you or ScientificAmerican. They and you are wrong.

So you've got nothing because all scientific material says the same. I could provide dozens of similar links. 

 

Did man walk on the moon?

[scottiejohn]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Did man walk on the moon?

Yes!

Stupid question!

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, scottiejohn said:

Yes!

Stupid question!

This was his question to another poster, I am reminding him of it. I also remember some remarks he made on this subject in another topic.

 

Fake moon mission. A bit vague that. Are you asking if men walked on the moon?

[owl sees all]

42 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Did man walk on the moon?

The thread is about lockdowns. A virus - or lack of one - has direct connections to the topic. It's why we were told to wear masks.. Why we were told to be 2 meters apart. Why we were locked down.

 

But did man walk on the moon? A great new topic. What yer reckon; in the pub? Can bring in all the other mysteries. 9/11. Dr Kelly, Titanic hoax. Princess Di, JFK.

 

I'll start the tread tomorrow. Will be informative; and great dun.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, owl sees all said:

The thread is about lockdowns. A virus - or lack of one - has direct connections to the topic. It's why we were told to wear masks.. Why we were told to be 2 meters apart. Why we were locked down.

 

But did man walk on the moon? A great new topic. What yer reckon; in the pub? Can bring in all the other mysteries. 9/11. Dr Kelly, Titanic hoax. Princess Di, JFK.

 

I'll start the tread tomorrow. Will be informative; and great dun.

 

 

It was also quite fun reading that you do not believe there is any such thing as a pathogenic virus. But yes look forward to joining you on your new topic tomorrow.

[owl sees all]

2 hours ago, morrobay said:

Meanwhile back on topic. Raw garlic has adverse effects on this virus.

There is what I call G7.

 

G is the 7th letter of the alphabet. what does 'G' represent in terms of good health?

 

Garlic

Ginseng

Ginger

 

I'm sure they cannot help with the 'virus', but a portion of each, every day, will keep the Reaper away. For a bit longer anyway.

 

[Lacessit]

I am amazed by posters who I once regarded as rational human beings, turning into fruitcakes on this thread.

[owl sees all]

9 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I am amazed by posters who I once regarded as rational human beings, turning into fruitcakes on this thread.

Me too.

[pub2022]

[candide]

2 hours ago, pub2022 said:

Lol! It's ridiculous! It does not take into account the fact that most people have been vaccinated!

Have a look at the death rate!

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status

Edited August 27, 2023 by candide

[Red Phoenix]

8 hours ago, pub2022 said:

Here is the link to the site that provides the full detail of the above.

> https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland

And here the breakdown of the May 2023 figures for covid-deaths and non-covid deaths.

The official figures estimate that 9.3% of people in England have not received any vaccination. But when looking at the unvaccinated in the May 2023 figures they only account for 5% of the covid-related deaths and 3% of the non-covid related deaths.

 

[Danderman123]

22 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Here is the link to the site that provides the full detail of the above.

> https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland

And here the breakdown of the May 2023 figures for covid-deaths and non-covid deaths.

The official figures estimate that 9.3% of people in England have not received any vaccination. But when looking at the unvaccinated in the May 2023 figures they only account for 5% of the covid-related deaths and 3% of the non-covid related deaths.

 

You will also notice that those who received  vaccines less than 21 days prior all had 0 Covid related deaths, compared to 45 for the unvaccinated.

 

The vast majority of Covid deaths for this sample were people who were vaccinated more than 21 days prior.

 

But its a pretty small sample.

 

Just remember that almost everyone who died from Covid in 2020 was unvaccinated.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Danderman123

[EVENKEEL]

It would be a real shame if the dems are allowed to repeat the lockdown for the sake of a few. But, it sure does the trick of making folks rely on the gov for their existence.

[Red Phoenix]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You will also notice that those who received  vaccines less than 21 days prior all had 0 Covid related deaths, compared to 45 for the unvaccinated.

The vast majority of Covid deaths for this sample were people who were vaccinated more than 21 days prior.

But its a pretty small sample.

Just remember that almost everyone who died from Covid in 2020 was unvaccinated.

Yep, 0 covid-related deaths from people in UK that were vaccinated less than 21 days prior THAN May 2023.  And 1 non-covid-related death in that category. 

I find it pretty amazing that at this point in time, there are still people that go for their FIRST Covid-shot... 

The main point of the table is that for total deaths in UK in May 2023 (covid and non-covid related) that 1165 were unvacinnated vs 34.199 vaccinated.  That's 3.4 %, while 9.3 % of the UK population is unvaccinated.  

Either the unvaccinated have a considerably healthier life-style than the jabbed, or something else is at play here.  I let you figure out...

[Danderman123]

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

It would be a real shame if the dems are allowed to repeat the lockdown for the sake of a few. But, it sure does the trick of making folks rely on the gov for their existence.

You do understand that during the Covid lockdowns and the loans, Trump was president?

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, Red Phoenix said:

Yep, 0 covid-related deaths from people in UK that were vaccinated less than 21 days prior THAN May 2023.  And 1 non-covid-related death in that category. 

I find it pretty amazing that at this point in time, there are still people that go for their FIRST Covid-shot... 

The main point of the table is that for total deaths in UK in May 2023 (covid and non-covid related) that 1165 were unvacinnated vs 34.199 vaccinated.  That's 3.4 %, while 9.3 % of the UK population is unvaccinated.  

Either the unvaccinated have a considerably healthier life-style than the jabbed, or something else is at play here.  I let you figure out...

Yes.

 

People who recently received a Covid shot seem to be healthier than most.

 

Good to know.

[EVENKEEL]

11 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You do understand that during the Covid lockdowns and the loans, Trump was president?

Thank you Mr Obvious, yes it started with Trump but good ole biden really took it to another level with the lockdowns. Keep the working man hungry and dependent on the gov teat is the dems strategy. Opinions may vary. 

[Eleftheros]

And if some country is foolish enough to think about re-introducing lockdown, perhaps they might consider the downsides of such actions.

 

Taking Australia as an example, the country has seen overall deaths above a baseline average by around 10-12% for well over a year, very few of which can be attributed to the Covid virus.

 

What killed off an excess of over 20,000 Australians in 2022, and what is causing overall 13.2% excess mortality in 2023?

 

Now, we are repeatedly told that these deaths are not attributable to the vaccines, data show they are not due to Covid, so what are the changed situations which are killing off citizens of all ages at such a high rate?

 

Most of the "explanations" that have been proposed, such as, lack of access to timely medical care, an increase in unhealthy habits, despair and depression, can be plausibly linked to the insane lockdown policy.

 

So only an idiot would think of trying to do this again, which is perhaps what prompted the OP.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Thank you Mr Obvious, yes it started with Trump but good ole biden really took it to another level with the lockdowns. Keep the working man hungry and dependent on the gov teat is the dems strategy. Opinions may vary. 

Really?

 

Biden says he doesn’t want lockdowns and won’t expand vaccine mandates to fight Covid this winter

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/02/covid-news-biden-says-no-lockdowns-wont-expand-vaccine-mandates-this-winter.html

[EVENKEEL]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Really?

 

Biden says he doesn’t want lockdowns and won’t expand vaccine mandates to fight Covid this winter

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/02/covid-news-biden-says-no-lockdowns-wont-expand-vaccine-mandates-this-winter.html

Good.

[Red Phoenix]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Really?

 

Biden says he doesn’t want lockdowns and won’t expand vaccine mandates to fight Covid this winter

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/02/covid-news-biden-says-no-lockdowns-wont-expand-vaccine-mandates-this-winter.html

Your News-clock is a 'bit late' Brian - the article is from early December 2021. 

We are 20 months later and Biden recently announced his plans to re-introduce vaccine mandates.

"President Joe Biden has revealed that he’s asked Congress for funding to develop a new Covid vaccine, asserting that “everybody” will take the shot.
Speaking to reporters, Biden said his administration will require all U.S. citizens to take the new shot, “no matter whether they’ve [been vaccinated] before or not.”

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Red Phoenix said:

Your News-clock is a 'bit late' Brian - the article is from early December 2021. 

We are 20 months later and Biden recently announced his plans to re-introduce vaccine mandates.

"President Joe Biden has revealed that he’s asked Congress for funding to develop a new Covid vaccine, asserting that “everybody” will take the shot.
Speaking to reporters, Biden said his administration will require all U.S. citizens to take the new shot, “no matter whether they’ve [been vaccinated] before or not.”

 

No the news clock is spot on. Read the post I was replying to about lockdowns

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3 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Your News-clock is a 'bit late' Brian - the article is from early December 2021. 

We are 20 months later and Biden recently announced his plans to re-introduce vaccine mandates.

"President Joe Biden has revealed that he’s asked Congress for funding to develop a new Covid vaccine, asserting that “everybody” will take the shot.
Speaking to reporters, Biden said his administration will require all U.S. citizens to take the new shot, “no matter whether they’ve [been vaccinated] before or not.”

 

You got a link for that?

[Red Phoenix]

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You got a link for that?

It's from a speech he did this weekend. 

Here one of the many links reporting on that latest lunacy:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2023/08/27/biden-suggests-he-will-mandate-a-covid-booster-for-all-americans-n2627591

[Danderman123]

40 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Thank you Mr Obvious, yes it started with Trump but good ole biden really took it to another level with the lockdowns. Keep the working man hungry and dependent on the gov teat is the dems strategy. Opinions may vary. 

Please describe the additional lockdowns that Biden ordered.

[Danderman123]

23 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Your News-clock is a 'bit late' Brian - the article is from early December 2021. 

We are 20 months later and Biden recently announced his plans to re-introduce vaccine mandates.

"President Joe Biden has revealed that he’s asked Congress for funding to develop a new Covid vaccine, asserting that “everybody” will take the shot.
Speaking to reporters, Biden said his administration will require all U.S. citizens to take the new shot, “no matter whether they’ve [been vaccinated] before or not.”

 

FOX News disagrees with you:

 

https://www.foxnews.com/health/biden-plans-ask-congress-funding-develop-covid-vaccine-require-shot

 

"Tentatively it is recommended that it will likely be recommended everybody get it no matter whether they’ve gotten it before or not."

 

You understand that a recommendation is not the same as a mandate?

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2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

It's from a speech he did this weekend. 

Here one of the many links reporting on that latest lunacy:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2023/08/27/biden-suggests-he-will-mandate-a-covid-booster-for-all-americans-n2627591

First off, your quote above is a lie. Biden said no such thing. Stop making things up. 

 

As for the article you quoted, it's lying too.

It represented that the following is what Biden said when asked if he would make a vaccination mandatory:

 

"Yes, I can," Biden said. "I signed off this morning on a proposal we have to present to Congress a request for additional funding for a new vaccine that is necessary, that works."

But here's what he was really answering:

"Biden, who is vacationing in the Lake Tahoe area, was asked by a reporter on Friday if he could say anything about the uptick of COVID cases and a new variant."

"Yes, I can," Biden said. "I signed off this morning on a proposal we have to present to Congress a request for additional funding for a new vaccine that is necessary, that works."

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-plans-ask-congress-funding-003513892.html

[Danderman123]

8 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

It's from a speech he did this weekend. 

Here one of the many links reporting on that latest lunacy:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2023/08/27/biden-suggests-he-will-mandate-a-covid-booster-for-all-americans-n2627591

Your link says "recommend", but the link address falsely says "mandate". 

 

I suggest that you remove the false link address.

[Danderman123]

26 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Your News-clock is a 'bit late' Brian - the article is from early December 2021. 

We are 20 months later and Biden recently announced his plans to re-introduce vaccine mandates.

"President Joe Biden has revealed that he’s asked Congress for funding to develop a new Covid vaccine, asserting that “everybody” will take the shot.
Speaking to reporters, Biden said his administration will require all U.S. citizens to take the new shot, “no matter whether they’ve [been vaccinated] before or not.”

 

You have misquoted Biden.

 

He did not say "require". Please delete your post.