Denial of Aussie pension

[KhunHeineken]

3 hours ago, Olmate said:

Even can live at same address, in my own case a visit from clink to inspect home and show living seperately but in the one  house.

Do you holiday to Thailand together also? 

 

We are discussing a level of criminality now. 

[Olmate]

1 hour ago, KhunHeineken said:

Do you holiday to Thailand together also? 

 

We are discussing a level of criminality now. 

Whats criminal, it was cleared by clink, you really have NFI ! 

[KhunHeineken]

15 minutes ago, Olmate said:

Whats criminal, it was cleared by clink, you really have NFI ! 

Claiming one is separated when they actually are not is fraud, thus, criminal. 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, KhunHeineken said:

Claiming one is separated when they actually are not is fraud, thus, criminal. 

Permit me to doubt Centrelink is hiring private detectives to establish relationship status. Stopping over for a night for a recreational bonk is not criminal, or fraud.

I forget who it was said governments should stay out of people's bedrooms, Elon Musk is the latest to say it.

[Lacessit]

15 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Yes.  They just play sleep overs. 

Another poster laughing at his lame and puerile jokes.

Do you have a life outside ASEAN?

[Nemises]

42 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Do you have a life outside ASEAN?

 

[4MyEgo]

18 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Do you holiday to Thailand together also? 

 

We are discussing a level of criminality now. 

As far as I see it, if you say your separated, then your separated, as long as you follow the rules, i.e. the government provides a set of rules that states what they will accept as living under the same roof.

 

As for holidaying in Thailand together, well, I would think getting on the same plane might be a bit suspect, perhaps sitting at separate seats might please you, that said, there are no set rules as far as I know about where you travel, who with, e.g. separated partner or where you sit, so there is no fraud or level of criminality that I see ????

 

[KhunHeineken]

18 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Permit me to doubt Centrelink is hiring private detectives to establish relationship status. Stopping over for a night for a recreational bonk is not criminal, or fraud.

I forget who it was said governments should stay out of people's bedrooms, Elon Musk is the latest to say it.

Wrong, as usual.

 

https://retirementessentials.com.au/news/centrelink-age-pension/centrelink-welfare-crackdown/#:~:text=Reports last week reveal that,cameras and audio bugging devices.

 

"Reports last week reveal that Services Australia (the department responsible for Centrelink) is in the process of hiring private investigators to gather evidence on claimants who are suspected of wrongdoing. The planned surveillance is believed to include both cameras and audio bugging devices."

 

https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-government-to-continue-to-use-private-investigators-in-crackdown-on-welfare-cheats/news-story/eea5f19cb6565e90f29c53d06640bbb0

 

Many articles about it.

[KhunHeineken]

4 hours ago, Nemises said:

 

You beat me to it, and that's his second AN username. 

[KhunHeineken]

5 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Another poster laughing at his lame and puerile jokes.

Do you have a life outside ASEAN?

Coming from someone with over 20,000 posts. 

[KhunHeineken]

2 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

As far as I see it, if you say your separated, then your separated, as long as you follow the rules, i.e. the government provides a set of rules that states what they will accept as living under the same roof.

 

As for holidaying in Thailand together, well, I would think getting on the same plane might be a bit suspect, perhaps sitting at separate seats might please you, that said, there are no set rules as far as I know about where you travel, who with, e.g. separated partner or where you sit, so there is no fraud or level of criminality that I see ????

 

 

I am well aware it's not about what they know, it's about what they can prove. 

 

I am simply saying there are many people, and I am not accusing the members on this forum, because only they know the facts, that are abusing the system for financial gain. 

 

We have all seen in the news, on many occasions, the guy on sickness benefits, claiming a bad back from a car accident that he has a compensation claim running on, caught out working on a construction site by insurance investigators. 

 

I am simply saying, claiming you are separated when you actually are not, is fraud, and therefore, a crime.  

 

Just because it's difficult to prove, or the government lacks the resources to be able to do so, doesn't mean it's not a crime. 

[KhunHeineken]

This is an interesting read.  Dated April 2023.

 

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/password-crackers-and-metadata-used-to-check-centrelink-users-relationship-status-592649

 

"Services Australia is using telecommunications metadata and password-bypassing software to investigate welfare recipients suspected of claiming single payments while in relationships."

 

I wonder if holidaying together in Thailand would raise suspicion. 

[4MyEgo]

1 hour ago, KhunHeineken said:

I am simply saying, claiming you are separated when you actually are not, is fraud, and therefore, a crime. 

Who is saying we are not going to be separated, we will be, I am following the rules, to obtain the single pension, you have to be single, i.e. separated will suffice Vs getting divorced as it costs $1,000.

 

This is not fraud, this is simply following the rules, if I remained married, i.e. not separated, they would provide me with less, e.g. half of the married pension, and of course I want more, so we have to separate, this is legal.

 

After two years in Australia, I might find myself back in Thailand on the single pension of course, Badda Bing, Badda Bang, Badda BOOOOM, we have to play by the rules, their rules.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Coming from someone with over 20,000 posts. 

Over quite a few years, but don't let that deter you.

I can say I have not made about 400 posts on a single thread, as you have.

Edited September 26, 2023 by Lacessit

[Lacessit]

6 hours ago, Nemises said:

 

I suggest you take a look at the number of years I have been posting, and the content. I am several football fields separated from KH's wordy and repetitive posts.

[georgegeorgia]

On 9/26/2023 at 3:26 PM, KhunHeineken said:

This is an interesting read.  Dated April 2023.

 

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/password-crackers-and-metadata-used-to-check-centrelink-users-relationship-status-592649

 

"Services Australia is using telecommunications metadata and password-bypassing software to investigate welfare recipients suspected of claiming single payments while in relationships."

 

I wonder if holidaying together in Thailand would raise suspicion. 

You seem to be very concerned about others taking from the  government?

 

You seem very naive to know what goes on in Government departments 

 

Good luck to 4myego !!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 27, 2023 by georgegeorgia

[4MyEgo]

16 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

You seem to be very concerned about others taking from the  government?

 

You seem very naive to know what goes on in Government departments 

 

16 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Good luck to 4myego !!!

4MyEgo plans years in advance, changes his status from married to single on his Facebook account as does his wife, after all, that is the normal thing to do when you "separate", isn't it......lol

 

As for mobile numbers, well you got to keep in tough with your "separated" partner to see how the kids are doing at school, life in general etc, after all, it's pretty hard to say your not "separated" when your living in two different countries, isn't it.

 

Like I have always said, there are rules to abide by, stay within the framework of those rules and Bob's your Uncle as the saying goes. 

 

Thx for the good luck wishes, it's in the bag ????

 

 

Edited September 28, 2023 by 4MyEgo

[KhunHeineken]

On 9/26/2023 at 7:15 AM, 4MyEgo said:

Who is saying we are not going to be separated, we will be, I am following the rules, to obtain the single pension, you have to be single, i.e. separated will suffice Vs getting divorced as it costs $1,000.

 

This is not fraud, this is simply following the rules, if I remained married, i.e. not separated, they would provide me with less, e.g. half of the married pension, and of course I want more, so we have to separate, this is legal.

 

After two years in Australia, I might find myself back in Thailand on the single pension of course, Badda Bing, Badda Bang, Badda BOOOOM, we have to play by the rules, their rules.

I couldn't care less if you claim you are separated when you are actually not.  Get back every dollar of tax you have paid in your life in the form of a pension, I say. 

 

However, don't urinate on the Australian tax payer and tell them it's raining.  It's fraud, and you could be caught out.  I have posted some links to show the measures the government are taking to stop this type of fraud.   Roll the dice at your own risk. 

Edited October 1, 2023 by KhunHeineken

[KhunHeineken]

On 9/26/2023 at 7:29 AM, Lacessit said:

Over quite a few years,

And how many different usernames? 

[KhunHeineken]

On 9/27/2023 at 11:07 PM, georgegeorgia said:

You seem to be very concerned about others taking from the  government?

 

You seem very naive to know what goes on in Government departments 

 

Good luck to 4myego !!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not being naive at all. 

 

As I have said, it's not about what the government knows, it's about what the government can prove, but that doesn't mean the actions of some, or many, does not come with any criminal intent.

 

If you are genuinely separated, ok.  If you are not actually separated, but claim you are for financial gain, to the point you even holiday together to Thailand, possibly on the same air tickets, well, I would say you are rolling the dice.  

 

Links already provided about how the government are investing such cases.    

 

 

[KhunHeineken]

On 9/26/2023 at 7:40 AM, Lacessit said:

I am several football fields separated from KH's wordy and repetitive posts.

You are several football fields from reality. 

[4MyEgo]

7 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

I couldn't care less if you claim you are separated when you are actually not. 

If I live in Australia and the ex wife (due to separation) lives in Thailand, then I claim correctly, like I said before, there are rules to adhere to and that I am doing.

 

7 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

It's fraud, and you could be caught out.

If you wish to call it fraud, that is your call, they will have to prove that, and believe you me, they will have Buckley's because proving someone isn't separated when living in another country for 2 years away from his family is going to be pretty hard to prove, especially when he says so and she says so, and it comes to the crunch and they want a divorce, then we would gladly accommodate them if they put up the $1,000 (ridiculous) $'s that it costs to do it yourself, i.e. someone's in the business of making money, aren't they, but that's another story ????
 

7 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Get back every dollar of tax you have paid in your life in the form of a pension, I say. 

Thx, I agree, that said, there are risks in life as you say, however, you plan as best you can and follow there rules, then make a break for it when you have crossed the 2 year finish line.

 

 

Edited October 1, 2023 by 4MyEgo

[gearbox]

14 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

If I live in Australia and the ex wife (due to separation) lives in Thailand, then I claim correctly, like I said before, there are rules to adhere to and that I am doing.

 

If you wish to call it fraud, that is your call, they will have to prove that, and believe you me, they will have Buckley's because proving someone isn't separated when living in another country for 2 years away from his family is going to be pretty hard to prove, especially when he says so and she says so, and it comes to the crunch and they want a divorce, then we would gladly accommodate them if they put up the $1,000 (ridiculous) $'s that it costs to do it yourself, i.e. someone's in the business of making money, aren't they, but that's another story ????
 

Thx, I agree, that said, there are risks in life as you say, however, you plan as best you can and follow there rules, then make a break for it when you have crossed the 2 year finish line.

 

 

One potential issue I could see with your "separation" or "divorce" is if your Thai wife does it for real and claims half of your assets and more, plus child support. AFAIK the Thai women in Oz have their own forums and discuss these things, they even refer experienced lawyers to do the job. You may say"mine is different",  but there are precedents.

 

So your 2 year stay may becoming longer....

 

 

[4MyEgo]

18 hours ago, gearbox said:

One potential issue I could see with your "separation" or "divorce" is if your Thai wife does it for real and claims half of your assets and more, plus child support. AFAIK the Thai women in Oz have their own forums and discuss these things, they even refer experienced lawyers to do the job. You may say"mine is different",  but there are precedents.

 

So your 2 year stay may becoming longer....

I appreciate your input, and yes you are right, she could take more than 50% of my assets as we have kids, however, being the type of guy that I am, i.e. a thorough researcher, I made sure that I saw a Family Law Specialist before we got married and she had no problem in agreeing to signing a prenuptial agreement with an independent lawyer.

 

You see most guys that I know won't go down that path, why, well could be that they don't have the balls, or don't want an argument, or don't want the threat of their relationship being over, which to me is just crazy, I mean why allow yourself to be left wide open, what you have before you met your partner is yours. I know a bloke, good mate, married, 3 years down the track, 2 young kids, she took him for a cool 3/4's of a million, now that is one expensive piece of a$$. I have told others till I have turned blue, but as the saying goes, "you can lead them to water", but.....

 

For your information, i.e. if you are not familiar with prenuptial agreements in the land of Oz, they form part of the Family Law Act, meaning they are as good as gold, that said, as the prenuptial agreement was done before we had kids, a judge could say, yes well, what about the kids now, ok, then might I suggest 20% to the kids, and that would be ok by me, because the way I have my assets structured, getting 20% out of nothing means she would get ZERO.

 

Always crossing my T's and dotting my i's and of course it could happen to me, but knowing my Mrs, she wouldn't return to Oz, because she wouldn't be able to afford the cost of living there and Child Support requires an income from the spouse, so not to get technical, I don't earn an income, someone else does and they are blood and I trust them hole heartedly and raised that person myself who has done extremely well in life through my guidance and being in the right place at the right time.

 

Worst case scenario if you can call it that, would be the wife would get the big house here as I wouldn't contest it, the car, the bike and all the bits and pieces that go with it and I would support the kids, say 20,000-30,000 a month till they finish their schooling, plus whatever other things I thought necessary to assist them in life, but no real free rides, after all we never spoil them.

[Lacessit]

On 10/2/2023 at 2:07 AM, KhunHeineken said:

You are several football fields from reality. 

Just once, would it be possible for you to retort with a post displaying a modicum of originality?

 

They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

[Lacessit]

On 10/1/2023 at 11:47 PM, KhunHeineken said:

And how many different usernames? 

Given our posting exchanges, I am not going to tell you anything except to take a hike.

[Will27]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Given our posting exchanges, I am not going to tell you anything except to take a hike.

It's been a while since he's been on.

I'm guessing his meds will be wearing off soon and he'll be back.

Unfortunately.

[Olmate]

1 hour ago, Will27 said:

It's been a while since he's been on.

I'm guessing his meds will be wearing off soon and he'll be back.

Unfortunately.

I think its his 'naughty corner' go to thing! 

[KhunHeineken]

On 10/1/2023 at 11:47 PM, 4MyEgo said:

If I live in Australia and the ex wife (due to separation) lives in Thailand, then I claim correctly, like I said before, there are rules to adhere to and that I am doing.

 

If you wish to call it fraud, that is your call, they will have to prove that, and believe you me, they will have Buckley's because proving someone isn't separated when living in another country for 2 years away from his family is going to be pretty hard to prove, especially when he says so and she says so, and it comes to the crunch and they want a divorce, then we would gladly accommodate them if they put up the $1,000 (ridiculous) $'s that it costs to do it yourself, i.e. someone's in the business of making money, aren't they, but that's another story ????
 

Thx, I agree, that said, there are risks in life as you say, however, you plan as best you can and follow there rules, then make a break for it when you have crossed the 2 year finish line.

 

 

What's your plan for a medical emergency and having to return back to Australia with your wife, who you are separated from? 

[KhunHeineken]

On 10/4/2023 at 7:01 AM, Lacessit said:

Just once, would it be possible for you to retort with a post displaying a modicum of originality?

 

They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Is that like "imitating" your own posts on your "nom de plume?"