Does Pheu Thai-led coalition spell death for the red-shirt movement?

[candide]

5 hours ago, bannork said:

I wouldn't say he's accepted.

I'd say the establishment is using his desperation to come back to neuter his party and make them toe the conservative line.

Any Pheu Thai MPs with an ounce of democracy in their bones can't stay with the present motley crew..

But they probably will till the money runs out 

Well, it's a thin line between accepting and using  ex. Abhisit has been used too. PT may enjoy a similar fate  indeed.

 

[scorecard]

On 8/31/2023 at 11:30 AM, webfact said:

 

Pheu Thai’s recent decision to embrace parties linked with the 2010 bloody military crackdown on red-shirt protesters may have shaken many members of the movement. However, it has far from destroyed its spirit.

 

“The red shirts have existed and will continue to exist,” affirmed Thida Thavornseth, a former leader of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), the group that led the red-shirt movement for more than a decade.

 

While noting that the movement got behind the Thai Rak Thai (TRT) Party and its reincarnations, People’s Power and Pheu Thai, Thida prefers to see “red” as synonymous with the struggle against injustice. The red shirts, she explained, are people who want to secure power for the people.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/does-pheu-thai-led-coalition-spell-death-for-the-red-shirt-movement/

 

-- Thai PBS 2023-08-31

 

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Sorry Thida, I don't believe a word you have ever said. 

[OneMoreFarang]

10 hours ago, candide said:

Really? In general, were politicians before Thaksin less crook? And those after him, including military politicians?

 

Yes the military had some support in Bangkok, because that was the propaganda. They have lost that support. Bangkok switched to MFP. Why? Because the previous virtuous establishment supporters understood that they (and the related political parties, including the Dems) fooled them, and that they were at least as corrupt as Thaksin.

I am sure more or less all of them are corrupt. 

A big difference is how they present it. Thaksin did it right in the open like: See here, I give Myanmar a loan so they will give that money to my private company. See, I can do that, and you won't stop me.

Others are also corrupt but at least they make it a little more in the background.

 

And who is worse? We will never know. Because the principle of corruption is obviously to hide it.