Outrage over Abbas's antisemitic speech on Jews and Holocaust

[Jingthing]

Just now, RanongCat said:

And yours ! But you have an excuse .

What's my excuse? Tell me your version then.

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

If there were no Israeli occupation, would Abbas have made these statements?

What a weird question.

They are not related.

[RanongCat]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

What's my excuse? Tell me your version then.

You are a poorly educated Merican jew  and the Persians (not Arabian) ruled Middle East . Turks were Central Asians from the ..Stans etc.

[MrMojoRisin]

16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That isn't historically accurate.

There was British Mandate Palestine.

Before that Turkish rule (who aren't Arabs).

Your concept of the history there is way off base.

 

Not much blue.

 

Tough to make a claim of ownership when you’ve barley been there for the last 2000 years.

[Chomper Higgot]

31 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

Gutless deflection IMHO.

Nevertheless pure whataboutary.

 

You can of course request a thread on the topic, meanwhile you’ll find the subject of this thread at the top.

 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, RanongCat said:

You are a poorly educated Merican jew  and the Persians (not Arabian) ruled Middle East . Turks were Central Asians from the ..Stans etc.

There it is. Disgusting slur.

The land that is Israel / Palestine was definitely part of the OTTOMAN EMPIRE (Turkish) before British Mandate.

Who's ignorant?

[RanongCat]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nevertheless pure whataboutary.

 

You can of course request a thread on the topic, meanwhile you’ll find the subject of this thread at the top.

 

Why you attempt to distract  from the core reason of the conflict ? Is the outrage in isolation from debate?

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

Not much blue.

 

Tough to make a claim of ownership when you’ve barley been there for the last 2000 years.

That wasn't the question. It was about Palestine as an independent Arab State historically which it was not.. There was British Mandate Palestine which included Jews and before that Ottoman (Turkish rule). I was talking about more recent history. The area has changed hands numerous times. 

Palestinian Arab identity was created in more modern times by Arafat. 

This topic is not about whether Israel has a right to exist or not.

It's about the ignorance of Abbas about the holocaust.

[RanongCat]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

There it is. Disgusting slur.

The land that is Israel / Palestine was definitely part of the OTTOMAN EMPIRE (Turkish) before British Mandate.

Who's ignorant?

Slur? Poor education ? OH shame ! British  mandate . You do not  see a problem in that little statement? 

Certainly not ignorant .

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2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Why do you think Abbas made those comments?

 

Why do you think he would make derogatory comments about Jews instead of say the Nepalese or Fijians?

 

PS - Better take a minute to put your thinking cap on, it’s a very tricky question with an extremely high difficulty level.

 

 

If you're saying his lie that Germans killed millions of Jews because they were money lenders is true, that makes you an antisemite.

If you're saying that his lie is justified because Israel is a Jewish state, that also makes you an antisemite.

 

Generally, I find when someone is being cagey as you are here and doesn't come right out and say it, antisemitism is the reason. But, please, go ahead and prove me wrong. Share with us what your thinking cap tells you.

 

[Jingthing]

Just now, RanongCat said:

Slur? Poor education ? OH shame ! British  mandate . You do not  see a problem in that little statement? 

Certainly not ignorant .

Bizarre post. I think you're just trolling now. 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

 

 

If you're saying his lie that Germans killed millions of Jews because they were money lenders is true, that makes you an antisemite.

If you're saying that his lie is justified because Israel is a Jewish state, that also makes you an antisemite.

 

Generally, I find when someone is being cagey as you are here and doesn't come right out and say it, antisemitism is the reason. But, please, go ahead and prove me wrong. Share with us what your thinking cap tells you.

 

Quacks like a duck. 

[Jingthing]

I want to add that to suggest that Israel's role in the Israel - Palestinian Arab conflict has any equivalence to the holocaust is basically insane.

 

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2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Quacks like a duck. 

Looks like it.

[RanongCat]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

That wasn't the question. It was about Palestine as an independent Arab State historically which it was not.. There was British Mandate Palestine which included Jews and before that Ottoman (Turkish rule). I was talking about more recent history. The area has changed hands numerous times. 

Palestinian Arab identity was created in more modern times by Arafat. 

This topic is not about whether Israel has a right to exist or not.

It's about the ignorance of Abbas about the holocaust.

How so? Denied so much but most of Europe reviled Jews and Gypsies. Gypsies because they were poor and consider all thieves.  Jews because being denied ownership of property were extremely adept at  making  money as it was when legend say Jesus threatened the  money lenders in the jew temples so the elite Jews had the Roman masters eliminate Jesus !

Look for why England had a glass window tax etc !

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, RanongCat said:

How so? Denied so much but most of Europe reviled Jews and Gypsies. Gypsies because they were poor and consider all thieves.  Jews because being denied ownership of property were extremely adept at  making  money as it was when legend say Jesus threatened the  money lenders in the jew temples so the elite Jews had the Roman masters eliminate Jesus !

Look for why England had a glass window tax etc !

Tell us more about the "Jew temples"

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1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

I want to add that to suggest that Israel's role in the Israel - Palestinian Arab conflict has any equivalence to the holocaust is basically insane.

 

On the other hand, comparisons to South Africa are becoming more and more apt.

 

Israel imposing apartheid on Palestinians, says former Mossad chief

A former head of the Mossad intelligence agency has said Israel is imposing a form of apartheid on the Palestinians, joining a growing number of prominent Israelis to compare the occupation of the West Bank to South Africa’s defunct system of racial oppression.

But Tamir Pardo’s views will have added impact because of the high regard for Mossad in Israel and because they come at a time when far-right members of Israel’s government are moving to kill off any prospect of an independent Palestinian state.

Pardo told the Associated Press that Israel’s mechanisms for controlling the Palestinians, from restrictions on movement to placing them under military law while Jewish settlers in the occupied territories are governed by civilian courts, matched the old South Africa.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/06/israel-imposing-apartheid-on-palestinians-says-former-mossad-chief#:~:text=Pardo told the Associated Press,state here%2C” he said.

[RanongCat]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I want to add that to suggest that Israel's role in the Israel - Palestinian Arab conflict has any equivalence to the holocaust is basically insane.

 

No doubt  feel obliged !????

[Jingthing]

Just now, placeholder said:

On the other hand, comparisons to South Africa are becoming more and more apt.

 

Israel imposing apartheid on Palestinians, says former Mossad chief

A former head of the Mossad intelligence agency has said Israel is imposing a form of apartheid on the Palestinians, joining a growing number of prominent Israelis to compare the occupation of the West Bank to South Africa’s defunct system of racial oppression.

But Tamir Pardo’s views will have added impact because of the high regard for Mossad in Israel and because they come at a time when far-right members of Israel’s government are moving to kill off any prospect of an independent Palestinian state.

Pardo told the Associated Press that Israel’s mechanisms for controlling the Palestinians, from restrictions on movement to placing them under military law while Jewish settlers in the occupied territories are governed by civilian courts, matched the old South Africa.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/06/israel-imposing-apartheid-on-palestinians-says-former-mossad-chief#:~:text=Pardo told the Associated Press,state here%2C” he said.

That can be argued within limits.

Holocaust equivalence cannot.

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2 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

How so? Denied so much but most of Europe reviled Jews and Gypsies. Gypsies because they were poor and consider all thieves.  Jews because being denied ownership of property were extremely adept at  making  money as it was when legend say Jesus threatened the  money lenders in the jew temples so the elite Jews had the Roman masters eliminate Jesus !

Look for why England had a glass window tax etc !

Are you aware that Jesus was Jewish?

[RanongCat]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Tell us more about the "Jew temples"

Pathos inc !

[Cory1848]

28 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

Higher standard ? Of what dishonesty? Israel is employing /repeating the tactics of vile German actions leading to the holocaust.

Being critical of Israeli oppression of Palestinians is automatically labelled antisemitic but critical comment of Iran or Saudi , Palestinian or Egyptian is not auto anti islamic ?

Worse crimes elsewhere?  Supported by ?

 

Yes, a higher standard. I see it from so many people, and it’s intellectually dishonest. And no, Israel is not repeating the German tactics leading to the Holocaust. As for “worse crimes elsewhere,” I could give you a long list but fear I’d be wasting my time.

 

As for anti-Semitism, you know the expression -- if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck ...

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, RanongCat said:

Pathos inc !

What's the stock symbol?

[RanongCat]

Just now, placeholder said:

Are you aware that Jesus was Jewish?

Of course ! But as remains true people with principle are denied and even destroyed by the rich elite . Bluster and denial by virtue signal is no eraser of truth.

[Cory1848]

55 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Here are a bunch of historical maps of Palestine dating back to the time of Jesus who was actually Palestinian right up to 1948. Up until that time Israel did not even exist.

 

Right, Jesus was the first Palestinian. I've heard that howler before. Engage in historical anachronism much?

[Nick Carter icp]

48 minutes ago, billd766 said:

And who gave the Israelis the right to occupy and steal Palestinians home and land to the extent of trying to exterminate the Palestinians?

It was Jewish land long before the concept of a Palestinian existed .

   Many Palestinians are former Jews who converted to Islam because they couldn't afford to follow Jewish customs and thus stopped being Jews 

[Jingthing]

Israel exists.

Get over it.

 

[proton]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

If you can remember that far back the Palestinians had their own country and it was called Palestine.

No it was not, they were offered 80% of the British protectorate/mandate of the same name but turned it down in the 30's, as the Jews were offered the rest. Turned the UN down after WW2 when offered 50% and have been attacking Israel ever since. They have never been interested in a 2 state solution, only in 1- their own. God bless Israel!

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3 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

Of course ! But as remains true people with principle are denied and even destroyed by the rich elite . Bluster and denial by virtue signal is no eraser of truth.

So, it's not about some rich people being Jewish but just about them being rich? Or do you believe that rich Jewish people behave differently from other rich people?

[RanongCat]

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Tell us more about the "Jew temples"

Synagogue suits your comprehension better?