Hunter Biden indicted on three federal gun charges

[Social Media]

Prosecutors in Delaware brought three gun-related charges against Hunter Biden on Thursday, with a grand jury indicting the president’s son after special counsel David Weiss said he would pursue charges following the evaporation of a plea deal.

The court filings detail charges Hunter Biden would have entered a diversion program for under the failed plea agreement, charging him with failing to disclose drug use when seeking to buy a weapon — resulting in two charges — as well as for unlawful possession of a firearm while addicted to a controlled substance. 

The most serious charges carry up to 10 years in prison and up to $250,000 in fines.

The indictment does not list any tax crimes — a matter that also would have been covered by the agreement that would have had Biden plead guilty to two charges of willful failure to pay taxes.

Weiss, who is also the U.S. attorney for Delaware, was elevated to special counsel status in August, shortly after discussion around the plea agreement broke down, signaling he may instead seek to bring charges outside the state.

Weiss suggested those charges could come in D.C. or California — two venues where IRS agents who spoke to Congress about the investigation claimed they found the stronger evidence of tax crimes. 

 

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[Tug]

The maganites are out for blood anything they can do to attack the Biden’s personally I sit here and wonder what happened to the once respectable republicans they have been reduced to being trumps dogs.

[Longwood50]

3 minutes ago, Social Media said:

Weiss suggested those charges could come in D.C. or California — two venues where IRS agents who spoke to Congress about the investigation claimed they found the stronger evidence of tax crimes. 

The Democrats have the mantra that "no one is above the law' but the Hunter Biden saga shows they believe that to be a law for "thee and not for me"  

I know this, that if it was Trump who had the evidence on a laptop, the payments coming from Burisma, the money wired to him from the wife of a Russian mayor and deals linking millions in transactions with China he would be wearing an orange jump suit already.  

I agree that no one is above the law.  When laws apply only to some and not to others it undermines society and makes it essentially lawless.  The Hunter Biden story has seriously eroded public confidence that our regulatory agencies are not biased and undermines faith in them.  The same is true of the Trump story where the opposite has occured and agencies are used as weapons.  

Nixon and others used the agencies to target people with tax probes etc.  Herbert Hoover was known to keep secret dossiers on people to exert influence over them.  The practice of not prosecuting some and punishing others by concocting charges has gone on for a long time.  
You see the same here in Thailand.  It is a sad indictment of human behavior. 

 

[WhatMeWorry]

Like Father, like Son as they say. A chip off the old block.

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1 minute ago, Longwood50 said:

The Democrats have the mantra that "no one is above the law' but the Hunter Biden saga shows they believe that to be a law for "thee and not for me"  

I know this, that if it was Trump who had the evidence on a laptop, the payments coming from Burisma, the money wired to him from the wife of a Russian mayor and deals linking millions in transactions with China he would be wearing an orange jump suit already.  

I agree that no one is above the law.  When laws apply only to some and not to others it undermines society and makes it essentially lawless.  The Hunter Biden story has seriously eroded public confidence that our regulatory agencies are not biased and undermines faith in them.  The same is true of the Trump story where the opposite has occured and agencies are used as weapons.  

Nixon and others used the agencies to target people with tax probes etc.  Herbert Hoover was known to keep secret dossiers on people to exert influence over them.  The practice of not prosecuting some and punishing others by concocting charges has gone on for a long time.  
You see the same here in Thailand.  It is a sad indictment of human behavior. 

 

What evidence is there on that laptop?

As for Hunter Biden receiving payments from the wife of a Russian mayor. When that payment was made, this wife of a deceased ex-Russian mayor had been living in the UK for years. And the reason for that is she and her husband were on the outs with Putin and the Russian govt. In fact, the Russian govt. has issued an arrest warrant for her.

As for Hunter Biden not being prosecuted on gun charges. Historically, these charges have rarely been pursued by the govt.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, WhatMeWorry said:

Like Father, like Son as they say. A chip off the old block.

You mean not actually a serious criminal?

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Just now, WhatMeWorry said:

Like Father, like Son as they say. A chip off the old block.

That will be an interesting argument to bring into court? And what about Beau Biden? Who served honorably in the military and had a distinguished career? And what of Biden's daughters? Or do you believe that the virtues or vices of a father are only passed on to male offspring?

But thanks for the ridiculous comment.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, WhatMeWorry said:

Like Father, like Son as they say. A chip off the old block.

You’ll need to provide evidence or is that simply a slur?

[Longwood50]

1 minute ago, Tug said:

The maganites are out for blood anything they can do to attack the Biden’s personally

Tug

The man was discharged from the military for drug use.  The law in an attempt to keep firearms out of the hands of people who may be a danger specifically requires a purchaser to attest to not being addicted to drugs.  That is making a false statement to the US Government.  A crime.  that is not maganites out for blood it is called equal treatment under the law.  Simple as that. 

Now of the charges against Hunter I think the gun purchase is the least significant.  His punishment if found guilty should not be any harsher or more lenient than others who have been found guilty of a similar offense.  The Form as I understand it has been amended to remove marijuana as a disqualifying drug but not the meth and cocaine that Hunters own pictures show he was clearly using. 



 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Longwood50 said:

Tug

The man was discharged from the military for drug use.  The law in an attempt to keep firearms out of the hands of people who may be a danger specifically requires a purchaser to attest to not being addicted to drugs.  That is making a false statement to the US Government.  A crime.  that is not maganites out for blood it is called equal treatment under the law.  Simple as that. 

Now of the charges against Hunter I think the gun purchase is the least significant.  His punishment if found guilty should not be any harsher or more lenient than others who have been found guilty of a similar offense.  The Form as I understand it has been amended to remove marijuana as a disqualifying drug but not the meth and cocaine that Hunters own pictures show he was clearly using. 



 

How many gun owners have ever toked a joint or done a line of coke?

 

I've not seen an allegation that H Biden did meth. You must have pulled that out of a dark place.

[Longwood50]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

How many gun owners have ever toked a joint or done a line of coke?

Oh so your logic is that since others have done it, that it is ok.  It is true that on many forms people have lied.  Those lies have not been discovered. 

The same is true for Trump and his tax returns.  Assuming Trump falsified items on his tax returns does not exonerate him because others have similarly lied.  Try some common sense sometime. 

I was told that Hunters teeth were a result of Meth usage.  Since your reply I checked and determined that the similar decaying teeth can result from crack cocaine so I stand corrected. 

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Longwood50 said:

Oh so your logic is that since others have done it, that it is ok.  It is true that on many forms people have lied.  Those lies have not been discovered. 

The same is true for Trump and his tax returns.  Assuming Trump falsified items on his tax returns does not exonerate him because others have similarly lied.  Try some common sense sometime. 

I was told that Hunters teeth were a result of Meth usage.  Since your reply I checked and determined that the similar decaying teeth can result from crack cocaine so I stand corrected. 

 

You were told? Is credible your middle name today?

[Longwood50]

47 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

You were told? Is credible your middle name today?

Yes and as I said, I stand corrected.  From a practical standpoint does it really make a difference if he was using Meth, Cocaine, Fentanyl, or any other ilicit drugs.  The law is intended to curb those that may be a threat to themselves and others by being addicted and in possession of a firearm.  

Persons convicted of a felony are similarly barred from legally purchasing a gun.   So using your "logic" and I use that term loosely if a person was on parole for murder it is ok that he get a gun because others who falsified on their 4473 form and got a gun also had committed murders.  

[bamnutsak]

Federal appeals court strikes down law prohibiting users of illegal drugs from possessing firearms

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/09/politics/appeals-court-firearms-illegal-drug-users/index.html

 

 

Indictment

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23977714-hunter-biden-indictment

 

Three counts, two for making false statements, one possession of a firearm while being an addict.

 

Now tell me how other similar cases are charged and adjudicated? And let's make sure Hunter gets similar treatment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tug]

5 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Yes and as I said, I stand corrected.  From a practical standpoint does it really make a difference if he was using Meth, Cocaine, Fentanyl, or any other ilicit drugs.  The law is intended to curb those that may be a threat to themselves and others by being addicted and in possession of a firearm.  

Persons convicted of a felony are similarly barred from legally purchasing a gun.   So using your "logic" and I use that term loosely if a person was on parole for murder it is ok that he get a gun because others who falsified on their 4473 form and got a gun also had committed murders.  I don't know if I understand you particular level of insanity by I do admire your dedication to it. 

And yet the the republicans cannot be bothered with gun control as our students get slaughtered in school or granney at the store or folks at their place of worship.belive me if one of their pals got indicted on such obscure minor offenses they would be freaking out hunter Biden had the gun for 11 days never pointed it at anyone threatened anyone the only reason they are after him is because of his name and to get at the president utterly disgusting and not good for the country 

[Chomper Higgot]

24 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Tug

The man was discharged from the military for drug use.  The law in an attempt to keep firearms out of the hands of people who may be a danger specifically requires a purchaser to attest to not being addicted to drugs.  That is making a false statement to the US Government.  A crime.  that is not maganites out for blood it is called equal treatment under the law.  Simple as that. 

Now of the charges against Hunter I think the gun purchase is the least significant.  His punishment if found guilty should not be any harsher or more lenient than others who have been found guilty of a similar offense.  The Form as I understand it has been amended to remove marijuana as a disqualifying drug but not the meth and cocaine that Hunters own pictures show he was clearly using. 



 

I have absolutely no issue with Hunter Biden being prosecuted under indictments handed down by a Grand Jury.

 

The indictments are in, prosecute and let a jury decide.

 

However, let’s separate indictments handed down by Grand Juries from this crock of nonsense:

 

“….. the meth and cocaine that Hunters own pictures show he was clearly using. ”

 

Come on back to the rational world before it’s too late.

 

[JonnyF]

59 minutes ago, WhatMeWorry said:

Like Father, like Son as they say. A chip off the old block.

The Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

 

Hunter isn't the only one either. At least the niece is hot.

 

https://nypost.com/2018/07/26/bidens-niece-shows-remorse-after-avoiding-jail-in-credit-card-scam/

 

What a family...

 

[mania]

32 minutes ago, Tug said:

And yet the the republicans cannot be bothered with gun control

And yet with gun control such as quoted...folks like Hunter are supposed to get a free pass then?......Gun control exists but it is quite obvious even in this topic that "“All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others” Correct? So what use then is ever more unenforced gun control laws?

 

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charging him with failing to disclose drug use when seeking to buy a weapon — resulting in two charges — as well as for unlawful possession of a firearm while addicted to a controlled substance. 

The most serious charges carry up to 10 years in prison and up to $250,000 in fines.

 

 

Edited September 15, 2023 by mania

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, bamnutsak said:

Federal appeals court strikes down law prohibiting users of illegal drugs from possessing firearms

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/09/politics/appeals-court-firearms-illegal-drug-users/index.html

 

 

Indictment

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23977714-hunter-biden-indictment

 

Three counts, two for making false statements, one possession of a firearm while being an addict.

 

Now tell me how other similar cases are charged and adjudicated? And let's make sure Hunter gets similar treatment.

While being an addict? I can play that game as well. At least "Hunter " never shot somebody like another famous coke addict.

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39 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

The Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

 

Hunter isn't the only one either. At least the niece is hot.

 

https://nypost.com/2018/07/26/bidens-niece-shows-remorse-after-avoiding-jail-in-credit-card-scam/

 

What a family...

 

Such a foolish comment.

Yeah, that Beau Biden. Served honorably in the military and had a very distinguished career.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beau_Biden

And what have you got on Biden's daughters?

And Biden is somehow responsible for the problems of his niece?

You've plumbed new and clueless depths.

 

[Longwood50]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

However, let’s separate indictments handed down by Grand Juries from this crock of nonsense:

 I am not sure I understand exactly your point.  You are differentiating an indictment handed down from a prosecutor versus one from a grand jury?   In 1985, Sol Wachtler, then the chief justice of New York's Supreme Court said, “

 

Now lets be clear. both of the prosecutions the one against Hunter and the ones against Trump are biased and are a form of political persecution.  Neither would in all liklihood been targeted for indictment if it was not for politics.  The same is true of Genral Flynn, Michael Cohen the FBI surveillance of Carter Page. 

With that said irrespective of how the indictment started. It is irrefutable that Hunter Biden purchased a gun, was a drug user and lied on his 4473 form.  You can argue that his indictment was poltically motivated but you can't say that there was no basis for it irrespective of whether it came from the government directly or through a grand jury process. 

[ozimoron]

Just now, Longwood50 said:

 I am not sure I understand exactly your point.  You are differentiating an indictment handed down from a prosecutor versus one from a grand jury?   In 1985, Sol Wachtler, then the chief justice of New York's Supreme Court said, “

 

Now lets be clear. both of the prosecutions the one against Hunter and the ones against Trump are biased and are a form of political persecution.  Neither would in all liklihood been targeted for indictment if it was not for politics.  The same is true of Genral Flynn, Michael Cohen the FBI surveillance of Carter Page. 

With that said irrespective of how the indictment started. It is irrefutable that Hunter Biden purchased a gun, was a drug user and lied on his 4473 form.  You can argue that his indictment was poltically motivated but you can't say that there was no basis for it irrespective of whether it came from the government directly or through a grand jury process. 

Oh look, more deep state stuff. Of course, never ever been a credible accusation of a rigged grand jury. Never let that stop a good conspiracy theory.

[Longwood50]

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

While being an addict? I can play that game as well. At least "Hunter " never shot somebody like another famous coke addict.

Again are you saying that he is exonerated because his crime was less severe?  That is like saying to a person who assaulted another that he should not be prosecuted because others who have been assaulted had much more severe injuries.   He signed a form 4473 form and lied on it.  That is unquestionable.  You can argue that the prosecution was poltically motivated but so is Trumps, the surveillance of Carter Page, the prosecutions of General Flynn and Michael Cohen.  

[Longwood50]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Oh look, more deep state stuff. Of course, never ever been a credible accusation of a rigged grand jury. Never let that stop a good conspiracy theory.

First off he didn't say it was rigged. He said a good prosecutor could persuade a Grand Jury to get an indictment if that is what the prosecutor was seeking.  

Also do you know what the Dunning Krueger Syndrome.  That is when someone holds themselves out to be an expert in a field that they know little to nothing about. 

Now Sol Watchler was the Chief Justice of the New York Supreme Court.  Now I know this will come as a shock to you but given his background I have more than a slightly greater prejudice to believe his opinions on the grand jury process and its accuracy than yours. 



 

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

First off he didn't say it was rigged. He said a good prosecutor could persuade a Grand Jury to get an indictment if that is what the prosecutor was seeking.  

Also do you know what the Dunning Krueger Syndrome.  That is when someone holds themselves out to be an expert in a field that they know little to nothing about. 

Now Sol Watchler was the Chief Justice of the New York Supreme Court.  Now I know this will come as a shock to you but given his background I have more than a slightly greater prejudice to believe his opinions on the grand jury process and its accuracy than yours.

"a good prosecutor could persuade a Grand Jury "

 

I hate to break it to you but that's their job

[JonnyF]

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Such a foolish comment.

Yeah, that Beau Biden. Served honorably in the military and had a very distinguished career.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beau_Biden

And what have you got on Biden's daughters?

And Biden is somehow responsible for the problems of his niece?

You've plumbed new and clueless depths.

 

Frank is a wrong 'un as well.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7908559/Joe-Bidens-brother-Frank-owes-1-million-dead-mans-family-2020-Democrat-did-help.html

 

What a family...

[Longwood50]

Just now, ozimoron said:

"a good prosecutor could persuade a Grand Jury "

 

I hate to break it to you but that's their job

Do you realize you just validated my point.  The fact that it is their job does not change the fact that in all truth the prosecutor controls the outcome.  So somehow you made the inference that an indictment coming directly from the government was less valid than a pristine one from a grand jury.  BUNK.  

The government agency first off has some expertise and is in a position to see all the evidence.  The Grand Jury is fed only what the prosecutor wants them to see and there is no cross examination.  

Both are biased.  You had the FBI clearly with Lisa Paige and Peter Stroz stating in text messages that they hated Trump and were out to get him.  It is impossible to remove bias.  Whether that is in judges, juries or prosecutors. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Now lets be clear. both of the prosecutions the one against Hunter and the ones against Trump are biased and are a form of political persecution.  Neither would in all liklihood been targeted for indictment if it was not for politics.  The same is true of Genral Flynn, Michael Cohen the FBI surveillance of Carter Page. 

More nonsense from you. Trump was already clearly in violation of the law once he refused the National Archives call to return the documents. Yet they negotiated with him for months and months. In fact, the National Archives only called on the Justice Dept when they learned that Trump was in possession of classified materials. What kind of misguided arrogance does it take  would refuse such a request? What's more...

 

Lawyer's notes show Trump was warned FBI could search Mar-a-Lago: report

https://www.axios.com/2023/09/06/trump-classified-documents-mar-a-lago-fbi-search

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5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Frank is a wrong 'un as well.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7908559/Joe-Bidens-brother-Frank-owes-1-million-dead-mans-family-2020-Democrat-did-help.html

 

What a family...

I wouldn't tar your family even though the comments you make are indicative of a certain lack of moral decency.. Apparently, Joe Biden is guilty of something because of the conduct of some other members of his family. I see you have nothing to offer to contravene that Biden has 3 other children against whom on taint of scandal has surfaced.  So why is Hunter's conduct proof of some flaw and/or criminality in Joe Biden's case?