Thai gov. to tax (remitted) income from abroad for tax residents starting 2024 - Part I

[Mike Lister]

3 hours ago, puck2 said:

Mister Lister, I'm so sorry for my awful mistake "ASIAN Now".

 

And you think that I didn't read read all threads to the new Tax problem. Maybe.

 

But that is not the problem. It seems that YOU didn't understand my yellow marked text of the DTA between Germany and Thailand. There you can read (quote):

"... peonsion and other payments for the past employment .... shell be exempt from tax in the other Contracting State"

 

That means for me, if Thailand does't respect a DTA, then it is disrespecting internation law !

 

And what should has to be respected in Thailand: international treaties or selfish (Thai) tax law???  Acting against the DTA is breaking international law.  If Thailand doesn't respect the DTA, you cannot trust Thailand political and law system in the future.

 

In this case of Thai tax planing, how much has been transfered maybe a problem.  There are different ways to do it. When/If my German pension is transfered to Thailand it should be tax-free according to the mentined DTA.

 

BTW, how to improve that I only transfer a part of my German pension? And will it be recognised? The Thai tax-offices will be overextendet with all these complicated rules. Srettha does not yet know how many rocks will fall down on his head and his coalition.

 

I still don't see the problem, you write, "IF Thailand doesn't respect a DT..."......they do, why do you think they don't?

 

And it's ASEAN Now, Not ASIAN Now. Asia is the biggest continent in the world. ASEAN is the regional organization consisting of 10 members.

[UKresonant]

Just now, stat said:

Reading your great post another red flag for me was raised. If I do not have to file a tax report and most of the expats will not do in 2025 I am sure there will be no real "safety" even after 2025 how this will all play out. Are you 100% sure that one does not have to file? In other countries for example you have to file if you earn foreign income that has not been taxed no matter how neglible the amount. I am aware that this is not really an indication for Thailand but is shows there is the possibility burried somewhere deep in the thai RD laws and directives. Thanks!

I think things feel safer, especially for those with simple financials, remitting tax deducted at source Pensions.

 

But for those with more complex financials, there is more clarity, but some doubt still persists.  I'm not continuously in Thailand normally, so as long as they keep the remittance basis not to bad. I've only had one year a while back, that I would have been Thai tax resident, and I had no major financial transactions that year (Globally).

 

Reading the Norwegian Answer for example (earlier in the thread) 

https://www.rd.go.th/fileadmin/download/nation/Norwegian_answer.pdf *

 

Scary word = Global

Not Scary "Remittance" mentioned later in the text though..

• (Posted Thursday at 05:24 AM  Mike Lister
   

And another, albeit from the Revenue itself:

 

2.1 Under Internal Regulations
In Thailand
In Thailand pension income is regarded as assessable income under Section
40 (1) of the Revenue Code. A resident of Thailand must declare his worldwide income on the basis that the income received from abroad in a tax year must be brought into Thailand within the same year, based on Section 41 paragraph 2 of the Revenue Code. 

[link above] *)

 

 

Edited February 3 by UKresonant
more text added plus link and time of assoc. post.

[Mike Lister]

4 hours ago, redwood1 said:

 

So what does this Green Card visa from the USA say....It says "RESIDENT".......To let people know they are a " RESIDENT" of the USA and have all the benefits and rights of being a " RESIDENT"....

 

 

And the O visa say " NON IMMIGRANT " .....To let people know that they are not a resident of Thailand....And make it clear they have zero rights or benefits of being a resident in Thailand...

Does the O visa say your a " NON IMMIGRANT "  except for taxes?.....Nope it sure does not.....

 

 

 

A CR1 spouse visa (also called IR1) is a green card that allows someone from another country to live in the U.S. with their spouse, a U.S. citizen or permanent resident. If you’ve been married for less than two years, you might get a CR-1 visa (conditional resident), and if you’ve been married for two years or more, you might get an IR1 visa 

You are relying on the English language interpretation of the rules which are unreliable. This is because of the mapping between Thai language, which describes the law, and, English which which is a poorly mapped translation, ergo, the use of the word "resident". 

[UWEB]

10 hours ago, redwood1 said:

 

So what does this Green Card visa from the USA say....It says "RESIDENT".......To let people know they are a " RESIDENT" of the USA and have all the benefits and rights of being a " RESIDENT"....

 

 

And the O visa say " NON IMMIGRANT " .....To let people know that they are not a resident of Thailand....And make it clear they have zero rights or benefits of being a resident in Thailand...

Does the O visa say your a " NON IMMIGRANT "  except for taxes?.....Nope it sure does not.....

 

 

 

A CR1 spouse visa (also called IR1) is a green card that allows someone from another country to live in the U.S. with their spouse, a U.S. citizen or permanent resident. If you’ve been married for less than two years, you might get a CR-1 visa (conditional resident), and if you’ve been married for two years or more, you might get an IR1 visa 

Have no Idea what you have to do to get a Green Card for the US, but to become a Tax Resident in a Country other than your Homeland you just have to stay 180+ days without any additional Paperwork.

[MartinBangkok]

On 2/1/2024 at 1:08 PM, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Everything that is written in the Thai RD Tax Code is written specifically for salary earners and recipients of income in Thailand, who are tax residents.  It has been and still is my belief that unless a person has to pay income taxes, then they do not have to lodge a tax return in Thailand.  The vast majority of Thai citrizens do not lodge tax returns - a google search indicates that only 6-9 million people lodge a tax return out of a population of over 50 million over the age of 18.  Unlike other countries, the Thai RD does not want everyone to lodge a tax return.

 

The application of everytghing in the Thai RD Revenue Code is not automatic, as some people think - otherwise every single person leaving Thailand would be fined 1000 Baht for not getting a tax clearance.  When it comes to application of the Code, it is not automatic that it will be against all money received/earned overseas by Expats and remitted into Thailand. DTAs have a big impact on those forms of income, as does the application of the Thai RD Tax Code in each and every single situation (and as directed by the Thai Govt). So does the application of the tax laws in Thailand against Expats (which have not been tested in a Court - yet).  No part of this 'new rule' ramifications have been 'tested' in a legal manner (Court), and the Thai RD often loses Court challenges. Depending on how they implement this new rule change, they are going to get a lot of new 'challenges' by Thai citizens for changing a system used for 30 years, with 3 months notice.

 

I am not keen to lodge a tax return in Thailand - ever.  I do not believe Thailand has the legal or moral right to force retired or married Expats to do so - unless they are using their Visas to avoid taxes overseas, or are earning money in Thailand.  That viewpoint is based upon how Thailand legally treats retired/married Expats.  Legally and technically, all Expats staying in Thailand long term are doing so as a tourist - we are not here as an immigrant - the 90 day reporting and annual renewals is due to the Visa being an extended tourist Visa - that is why we have the same 'legal rights' as a tourist. Thailand does not and cannot legally tax tourists, unless they are earning income while they are in Thailand.  There are Visas that actually give legal rights (such as the LTR), but the standard Visa that most Expats used when entering Thailand, is an extended tourist Visa - we are all tourists (visitors).  But I am not going to take that legal 'argument' further and get it tested in the Thai RD Tribunal or Court - only because that would be extremely expensive.

 

I will also point out that there is SFA arrangements in place at the Thai RD for the lodgement of a tax return in Thailand under which the terms and conditions of a DTA can be utlised. Both the written and online versions of the Thai RD tax lodgement do not cater for that situation.  Therefore, should any Expats wish to lodge a tax return and claim that certain money is not taxable under a DTA with their country, it will be an expensive exercise if we use a tax expert - and it could be very expensive if it goes to a Tribunal.  Plus I am certain that the Thai RD does not have the time and resources available to manage that anyway, should every Expat who receives over 120K Baht from a Pension lodge a tax return claiming they owe no taxes (or a very small amount) due to their interpretation of a DTA. Who the hell at the Thai RD is going to be able to deal with exemptions claimed under the DTAs that Thailand has with over 60 different countries. 

 

Unless I am working/earning income in Thailand (legally available only with a work permit), then I see no legal reason for a retired or married Expat to pay income taxes.  My calculations are that they get zero from myself anyway, but it is the principle of the matter.  When a Thai Court has ruled that Expats can be legally charged a much higher rate in a State hospital, because they are not Thai citizens and have more money, that clearly states we dont have the same legal rights as a Thai citizen. And there are so many other situations (like dual pricing, courts, etc.) where it is very clear what our/my legal status is in Thailand. Implicit in that is that we dont have to pay income taxes 

 

Thailand will find out soon enough that if they start applying income taxes against many Expats (especially their Pensions) then they will not stay living here in Thailand full-time.  Obviously some Expats have no choice and cannot easily move out, but many Expats can and will either just visit Thailand (<180 days), or they will take up other options.  It is no coincidence that the Taxation Minister in Malaysia, who introduced this same new rule in 2022, has stated that they have no intention of taxing the money of retired/married Expats that they bring into the country. As she said that is wrong because that is all 'new money' being broguht into the country, and it would be a massive disincentive for Expats to bring money into Malaysia if it is going to be taxed.  The implementation of this new tax rule is about removing the loophole that allowed citizens and companies to invest their money (earned in their country) overseas and to then bring that money back and not pay taxes on the earnings made on that investment overseas. The associated 'global taxation' system that is now being employed in many countries, is about stopping people living in one country for long periods, just so that they can avoid income taxation in another (and money laundering).

 

I couldn't agree more with everything in this post from @TroubleandGrumpy

[Mike Lister]

4 minutes ago, MartinBangkok said:

I couldn't agree more with everything in this post from @TroubleandGrumpy

There are some good and true aspects but there are also some very misguided parts. Fortunately, the facts are now more clear and there is a almost no need for a majority of average expats, to file a tax return here. The following Q&A explains.

 

https://sherrings.com/foreign-source-income-personal-tax-thailand.html

 

 

[tgw]

22 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

There are some good and true aspects but there are also some very misguided parts. Fortunately, the facts are now more clear and there is a almost no need for a majority of average expats, to file a tax return here. The following Q&A explains.

 

https://sherrings.com/foreign-source-income-personal-tax-thailand.html

 

thanks for posting that !

this is what we all needed.

[Guderian]

1 hour ago, tgw said:

 

thanks for posting that !

this is what we all needed.

 

It seems like bad news to me. Section 40 appears to class pensions and overseas investment income as assessable for Thai tax, which probably means the entire income of many pensioners living here.

 

https://sherrings.com/personal-income-tax-in-thailand.html

 

 

 

[samtam]

2 hours ago, Guderian said:

 

It seems like bad news to me. Section 40 appears to class pensions and overseas investment income as assessable for Thai tax, which probably means the entire income of many pensioners living here.

 

https://sherrings.com/personal-income-tax-in-thailand.html

 

 

 

That's how I read it too.

[TheAppletons]

  Let's give AN member Mike Lister a break today, so for those who cannot be bothered to actually read what has been posted.....

 

  ....read the link posted by Mike Lister above.  This one:  https://sherrings.com/foreign-source-income-personal-tax-thailand.html

 

  Go to the last Q&A (this means you have to scroll down to the bottom of the screen on your computer, take your time).  Now read the final Q&A where it discusses that if you pay tax on your foreign income (i.e., your pension) in your home country, it won't be taxed again here.  

 

  (The second Q&A on that page alludes to the same....you won't pay anything to Thailand on assessable income which is exempted from tax, as with some income specified in various DTAs, or isn't taxable under the Thai revenue code.)

 

 

[Mike Lister]

45 minutes ago, samtam said:

That's how I read it too.

 

3 hours ago, Guderian said:

 

It seems like bad news to me. Section 40 appears to class pensions and overseas investment income as assessable for Thai tax, which probably means the entire income of many pensioners living here.

 

https://sherrings.com/personal-income-tax-in-thailand.html

 

 

 

 

As the poster above as already said, you're reading the wrong things, why this is only you will know! When you get done, please read this and come back to us with any remaining questions.

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1316818-personal-income-tax-guide-for-foreigners-thailand/

[stat]

On 2/2/2024 at 1:09 PM, Mike Lister said:

True. But Sherrings reports that there will be no double taxation. And since Thai tax tables are much lower than those in other countries, it seems unlikely that a majority of people will end up paying higher rates of tax here than they would in their home country. 

Nope tax tables are not lower in Thailand in the case of investment income as Thailand does not have a special rate for capital gains as most other countries (US, Germany etc). Most tax residents in TH will only have pensions and investment income.

[Mike Lister]

4 minutes ago, stat said:

Nope tax tables are not lower in Thailand in the case of investment income as Thailand does not have a special rate for capital gains as most other countries (US, Germany etc). Most tax residents in TH will only have pensions and investment income.

Capital Gains in Thailand is charged at PIT rates which start at 5%. Capital Gains in the UK (excl property) starts at 10%, in the US at 15% and in the EU average 18%.

[stat]

On 2/2/2024 at 11:41 AM, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Thanks.  But technically you are only allowed to stay in 90 days blocks.  If you do not 'report' after 90 days (allowances either side), your 'permission to stay' in Thailand is not valid - and if Thai Immigration decided, the whole 12 months period could be revoked and you could be deported - but they are usualy very understanding and prefer that you just pay a fine (which goes into the team pool).  The point being you have no legal right to stay 12 months - you must report every 90 days in order to get another 90 days - and then after 12 months you must apply to get another 12 months extension - which is broken down into 4 x 90 days permission to stay.  We are all very far from being a Resident in Thailand.

 

In anser to anyone thinking that we are tax residents because Thailand states that anyone staying in Thailand 180 days is a tax resident is irrelevent - especially under a DTA.  In Cyprus it is 2 months to be a tax resident - good luck with that I say. 

I think you are mixing up the term resident. On the tax side the defintion is clear it is 180 days in Thailand and you are a TAX resident period. Any other legal definition in terms of how long will not matter. You could however hope to seek refuge under an DTA and claim to be only aussie resident with your definition but the outcome will be highly uncertain and very time consuming and very costly.

[stat]

17 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

Capital Gains in Thailand is charged at PIT rates which start at 5%. Capital Gains in the UK (excl property) starts at 10%, in the US at 15% and in the EU average 18%.

Tax rates starts at 5% but goes up fast to 35%! in Thailand. So if you earn 100K EUR a year the difference is substantial. You made the general statement that thai tax rates are lower which is wrong in the case of capital gains. In Germany I do not pay any tax under 11K Eur a year where in TH I already pay a 10% marginal tax rate. For the US A capital gains rate of 0% applies if your taxable income is less than or equal to: $44,625 for single and married filing separately; $89,250 for married filing jointly and qualifying surviving spouse; and. $59,750 for head of household.

 

I will not talk to you further on this subject anyone interested has seen the facts.

Edited February 4 by stat

[Mike Lister]

9 minutes ago, stat said:

Tax rates starts at 5% but goes up fast to 35%! in Thailand. So if you earn 100K EUR a year the difference is substantial. You made the general statement that thai tax rates are lower which is wrong in the case of capital gains. In Germany I do not pay any tax under 11K Eur a year where in TH I already pay a 10% marginal tax rate.

 

I will not talk to you further on this subject anyone interested has seen the facts.

As you wish! It's just that in Thailand I don't pay tax on anything under 12.5k Pounds a year!

 

The more you earn, the more you pay in Thailand, that part is true.  

 

You are talking specifically about investment income and capital gains, my quote was not discussing those things, my mention was of general tax income. You are cherry picking your arguments!

[redwood1]

22 minutes ago, stat said:

I think you are mixing up the term resident. On the tax side the defintion is clear it is 180 days in Thailand and you are a TAX resident period. Any other legal definition in terms of how long will not matter. You could however hope to seek refuge under an DTA and claim to be only aussie resident with your definition but the outcome will be highly uncertain and very time consuming and very costly.

 

Most expats are here on a O visa...

 

 Expats must renew and sign new visa forums every year....The O visa spells out the exact terms of your status which is NON IMMIGRANT ......

 

I dont recall a single mention in the papers I sign every year about me suddenly becoming a resident of Thailand after 180 days.....Nope not a single mention of this EVER....I sure never signed any paper that said this......

 

But the O visa does say, I can stay in Thailand for the next year as a NON IMMIGRANT and only a NON IMMIGRANT,FOR ONE YEAR...As in 365 days....

 

No twisting of words or meanings with legal mumbo jumbo change this fact.....

 

[stat]

19 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

 

Most expats are here on a O visa...

 

 Expats must renew and sign new visa forums every year....The O visa spells out the exact terms of your status which is NON IMMIGRANT ......

 

I dont recall a single mention in the papers I sign every year about me suddenly becoming a resident of Thailand after 180 days.....Nope not a single mention of this EVER....I sure never signed any paper that said this......

 

But the O visa does say, I can stay in Thailand for the next year as a NON IMMIGRANT and only a NON IMMIGRANT,FOR ONE YEAR...As in 365 days....

 

No twisting of words or meanings with legal mumbo jumbo change this fact.....

 

I fully agree that from an immigration perspective that you are not a PERMANENT resident but there is no need that legal obligation that immigration and the tax authority should use the same term. Why should immigration state that you become a tax resident after 180 days? You expect a coherent legal definition over several branches of departments in Thailand and then hope to get a chance in a court? I wish you best of luck 😉

[homeseeker]

"The facts now seem to suggest that, unless the tax form is changed significantly and the financial reporting requirements increased, it will not be necessary for the average retiree in Thailand to file a  tax return."

 

This quote is from a global moderator who posts on here but the quote is in the business section.

Edited February 4 by homeseeker

[Mike Lister]

I wanted to satisfy myself that what I said earlier was true so I ran a quick back of the fag packet comparison. Below I compared, unscientifically, tax rates against Pounds and their Baht equivalents at 44. I assumed that the Personal Allowance and TEDA were similar, in the case of the Thai side, 350k + 150k zero rated. As you can see, the Thai tax rates are lower until they reach the range shaded in yellow and the UK has a 5% advantage, after which they diverge quite significantly once again. 

 

 

[UKresonant]

Just now, Mike Lister said:

I wanted to satisfy myself that what I said earlier was true so I ran a quick back of the fag packet comparison. Below I compared, unscientifically, tax rates against Pounds and their Baht equivalents at 44. I assumed that the Personal Allowance and TEDA were similar, in the case of the Thai side, 350k + 150k zero rated. As you can see, the Thai tax rates are lower until they reach the range shaded in yellow and the UK has a 5% advantage, after which they diverge quite significantly once again. 

 

 

 

The over 65 190k THB allowance certainly helps a lot (once I Qualify later), I'm simplifying it in my thoughts as up to 1 million Baht parity-ish, one to two million baht more in Thailand, over 2.2 m baht gradually becomes cheaper than U.K. 

[stat]

8 hours ago, Mike Lister said:

I wanted to satisfy myself that what I said earlier was true so I ran a quick back of the fag packet comparison. Below I compared, unscientifically, tax rates against Pounds and their Baht equivalents at 44. I assumed that the Personal Allowance and TEDA were similar, in the case of the Thai side, 350k + 150k zero rated. As you can see, the Thai tax rates are lower until they reach the range shaded in yellow and the UK has a 5% advantage, after which they diverge quite significantly once again. 

 

 

** Moderator edit to remove flame

 

Capital gains rates in the UK are fixed to my knowledge, in a 10% range and 20% range for CGT.

 

https://taxscouts.com/glossary/capital-gains-tax-cgt/

 

** Moderator edit to remove second flame.

 

The 10% band is missing in your chart for the UK, the 40 and 45% bands do not exist in the UK for CGT, you have not taken into account the correct allowances for the UK as they are lower etc... Your conclusion that Thailand is cheaper the higher the capital gains income is therefore dead wrong.

Edited February 4 by Mike Lister
remove flame and bait

[Danderman123]

8 hours ago, redwood1 said:

 

Most expats are here on a O visa...

 

 Expats must renew and sign new visa forums every year....The O visa spells out the exact terms of your status which is NON IMMIGRANT ......

 

I dont recall a single mention in the papers I sign every year about me suddenly becoming a resident of Thailand after 180 days.....Nope not a single mention of this EVER....I sure never signed any paper that said this......

 

But the O visa does say, I can stay in Thailand for the next year as a NON IMMIGRANT and only a NON IMMIGRANT,FOR ONE YEAR...As in 365 days....

 

No twisting of words or meanings with legal mumbo jumbo change this fact.....

 

what's your point?

 

The Revenue Department is clear that anyone who is in Thailand more than 180 days is a tax resident. You may argue with them, if you wish.

[Mike Lister]

6 hours ago, stat said:

** Moderator edit to remove flame

 

Capital gains rates in the UK are fixed to my knowledge, in a 10% range and 20% range for CGT.

 

https://taxscouts.com/glossary/capital-gains-tax-cgt/

 

** Moderator edit to remove second flame.

 

The 10% band is missing in your chart for the UK, the 40 and 45% bands do not exist in the UK for CGT, you have not taken into account the correct allowances for the UK as they are lower etc... Your conclusion that Thailand is cheaper the higher the capital gains income is therefore dead wrong.

 

My post compared tax tables between UK and Thailand, It did not compare Capital gains rates or anything else.

 

You wrote: "Your conclusion that Thailand is cheaper the higher the capital gains income is therefore dead wrong". This is your statement, not my conclusion!

 

If you want to compare capital gains tax rates, please construct a table and post it.

 

I removed some of the flames and bait in your argumentative post but will leave your post in place, on this occasion only. 

[Yumthai]

6 hours ago, Mike Lister said:

My post compared tax tables between UK and Thailand, It did not compare Capital gains rates or anything else.

 

You wrote: "Your conclusion that Thailand is cheaper the higher the capital gains income is therefore dead wrong". This is your statement, not my conclusion!

 

If you want to compare capital gains tax rates, please construct a table and post it.

 

The issue @stat is highlighting is that you present your tax rates comparison table without precising what kind of income it is referring to.

Any unaware reader can understand that all income falls under these rates, however it's not the case.

 

As you may know, unlike most countries (including UK, US, ...), Thailand has no specific capital gains tax and CG are taxed as ordinary income falling under PIT rates.

 

Edited February 5 by Yumthai

[Mike Lister]

22 minutes ago, Yumthai said:

 

The issue @stat is highlighting is that you present your tax rates comparison table without precising what kind of income it is referring to.

Any unaware reader can understand that all income falls under these rates, however it's not the case.

 

As you may know, unlike most countries (including UK, US, ...), Thailand has no specific capital gains tax and CG are taxed as ordinary income falling under PIT rates.

 

 

It is PIT tax tables that are being compared side by side, nothing more than that. The focus of the Simple Tax guide and these discussions, from our perspective has always been the average expat but with an emphasis on retirees on a pension because they are the ones who have expressed most concern at the new rule and the group from which most personal messages have come. The thread cannot realistically be expected to cover all types of tax, it was only ever intended to cover PIT.

 

The thread also attempts not to be country specific although out of necessity it has been UK centric at times. It is not realistic to think the thread can cover all aspects of tax for everyone, from every country. It is also not realistic to think it can delve into capital gains scenario's covering both property and investment in all the different countries that posters come from. Simply, there are too many product variants in the different countries and insufficient expertise in the forum to be able to provide conclusive answer for everyone.

 

There has to be a line, beyond which posters must either examine their DTA's or seek specialist advice. Poster @JimGant is a retired US CPA and is usually willing to help answer questions from Americans, about US taxes. Australians seem to have grouped and have various discussions underway regarding their pensions and income. Nationals of other countries will have to seek out the information they require from the different resources available to them or seek specialist advice.

[jayboy]

On 1/27/2024 at 5:08 PM, Mike Lister said:

the media has been letting everyone know, in no uncertain terms, that they are now required to comply with the tax rules and that they will no longer be ignored

 

Not sure the media in Thailand has done a decent job in explaining the issues.In contrast the top Bangkok based firms have been helpful.For example

 

https://www.mazars.co.th/Home/Insights/Doing-Business-in-Thailand/Tax/Revenue-Department-s-guidance-on-foreign-income

 

Interesting to note the Mazars view based on RD announcements that income earned before 2024 does NOT have to be declared on tax return.Don't think this has been dealt with specifically on this forum.

 

I'm not sure how interest on cash deposits arranged before 2024 would be treated.I suppose it's just another reminder to ensure comprehensive records are kept in case RD has any questions.

 

Still not sure whether tax resident who funds entirely from non taxable pre-2024 sources needs to file a return at all.

[Mike Lister]

16 minutes ago, jayboy said:

 

Not sure the media in Thailand has done a decent job in explaining the issues.In contrast the top Bangkok based firms have been helpful.For example

 

https://www.mazars.co.th/Home/Insights/Doing-Business-in-Thailand/Tax/Revenue-Department-s-guidance-on-foreign-income

 

Interesting to note the Mazars view based on RD announcements that income earned before 2024 does NOT have to be declared on tax return.Don't think this has been dealt with specifically on this forum.

 

I'm not sure how interest on cash deposits arranged before 2024 would be treated.I suppose it's just another reminder to ensure comprehensive records are kept in case RD has any questions.

 

Still not sure whether tax resident who funds entirely from non taxable pre-2024 sources needs to file a return at all.

Pre 2024 income is exempt, there is no place on the form to enter the information 

 

 

[ballpoint]

17 hours ago, redwood1 said:

 

Most expats are here on a O visa...

 

 Expats must renew and sign new visa forums every year....The O visa spells out the exact terms of your status which is NON IMMIGRANT ......

 

I dont recall a single mention in the papers I sign every year about me suddenly becoming a resident of Thailand after 180 days.....Nope not a single mention of this EVER....I sure never signed any paper that said this......

 

But the O visa does say, I can stay in Thailand for the next year as a NON IMMIGRANT and only a NON IMMIGRANT,FOR ONE YEAR...As in 365 days....

 

No twisting of words or meanings with legal mumbo jumbo change this fact.....

 

 

Does that mean you can ignore the laws of Thailand while you are here as a non-immigrant?  Do what you like and just point to the stamp in your passport when arrested? 

Your visa/permission to stay/immigration status has no bearing whatsoever on your duty to follow all the laws of whatever country you are in.  And in this case, the law is quite clear - spend 180 days or more in the country in any calendar year and you are a tax resident for that year, with all the obligations that go with it.

[The Cyclist]

On and on it goes

 

If you are a retiree expat, who is a tax resident of Thailand. Then the following is the batting list.

 

* Your Country - Thai DTA takes precedence.

 

If you fall through the cracks of your Country - Thai DTA then

 

* The Revenue Code becomes applicable.

 

The last Q&A session stated that income taxed in home Countries will not be taxed in Thailand. The logical conclusion to draw from that ( Unless something comes out to over-ride it ) would be that if it wont be taxed in Thailand then you should not need to file anything.

 

** There may yet be a system put in place, for transparency and tax avoidance purposes, to declare your already taxed income. Whether that be part  of the new tax form or some other method.

 

It could equally be the case that you will have to do........... Absolutely nothing.