McCarthy vows to strip Ukraine money from Pentagon bill after Greene ‘no’ vote

[impulse]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

I'm good with that.  Why isn't McCarthy doing it?

McCarthy said he would remove the $300 million for Ukraine currently in the Pentagon appropriations bill and hold a separate vote on the funding.“It would be out and voted on by itself,” McCarthy said when asked about the Ukraine aid in the Pentagon appropriations bill.

[ozimoron]

21 minutes ago, impulse said:

I think the scientific term is "Derangement Syndrome".

 

Edit:  And I've always wondered who would object to Making America Great Again?

Straight Goebbels propaganda. No policy, just a slogan.

[heybruce]

20 minutes ago, impulse said:

I think the scientific term is "Derangement Syndrome".

 

Edit:  And I've always wondered who would object to Making America Great Again?

 

People who know that America never stopped being great and who see Trump's policies as a threat to that greatness.

[heybruce]

4 minutes ago, impulse said:

McCarthy said he would remove the $300 million for Ukraine currently in the Pentagon appropriations bill and hold a separate vote on the funding.“It would be out and voted on by itself,” McCarthy said when asked about the Ukraine aid in the Pentagon appropriations bill.

You're correct.  Now let's see if he actually does it.

 

I suspect not.  The bill would pass, but with a majority of Democrat votes in the House, which the Republicans would hate and which would cost McCarthy his job.

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

You're correct.  Now let's see if he actually does it.

 

I suspect not.  The bill would pass, but with a majority of Democrat votes in the House, which the Republicans would hate and which would cost McCarthy his job.

My prediction is that at least 5 Republicans vote for a dem speaker to get the bill passed.

[heybruce]

12 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

My prediction is that at least 5 Republicans vote for a dem speaker to get the bill passed.

I'd really like to see that.

[wwest5829]

50 minutes ago, Trippy said:

If your talking about Garland I also thought McConnell's actions on that were pretty chickens**t, but in retrospect if Garland would ignore the rule of law and show preferential treatment to his friends like he does now, then thank goodness he's not on SCOTUS. 

Can you cite the facts? I ask because I am not privy to behind the scenes knowledge, nor have I studied in depth all his actions. Outside of that, I do not recognize what you reference.

[novacova]

27 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

If you have any clue to world politics as regards to nuclear detente, you need to read the principles of Russia’s nuclear weapons policies. If you don’t understand the policies that was approved by Putin on the nuclear deterrent factor, you like the ultra Maga will continue to use scare tactics for political points. I can say that we are fortunate to have an experience and competent commander in chief in Biden who keep US troops out of the war arena. That’s major if you understand the Russia’ s policies. 

You failed to cite Russias nuke policy, maybe you don’t know because of a blinding narrow view fixated on your maga thing.
It’s simple, Escalate to Deescalate

A rational Western leader would know, never underestimate the words of a Russian leader, they do what they speak.

 

The US is bullying countries in the region to support the war. Hungary pretty much said f-u because Ukraine is losing, the west is losing, so in return your Biden friends and Co. bullied them even further. 

 

If anyone believes the media about what is actually going on in Ukraine, then they’re uninformed. The west is not winning and is not going to win, at least not without a major conflict. It’s complete stupidity. Everyone knows something is wrong with the picture, not everyone is willing to admit it to themselves.

[rice555]

1 hour ago, wwest5829 said:

And sometimes in history a dedicated, vocal minority presents a present and clear threat to a participatory democracy.

WE have a democratic republic, not a democracy. 

[novacova]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Who started the war?  Who has been threatening to go nuclear?

Who started the war…what relevance does that make? Ukraine is not NATO territory, the conflict is not any concern of the West. NATO is breaking the treaty agreement “Not One Inch” remember? 
 

Good grief already, pay attention, I’m not going school anyone here. 

[novacova]

5 minutes ago, rice555 said:

WE have a democratic republic, not a democracy. 

???? it’s a republic with a democratic system and it really annoys the heck out of some, they’re easy to spot.

[rice555]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Who started the war?  Who has been threatening to go nuclear?

read what Lavaroth<sp> FM said, not what the MSM or what you think

is the Russian policy is. Your still stuck in the " fine people hoax".

[wwest5829]

1 hour ago, rice555 said:

WE have a democratic republic, not a democracy. 

So, you think a participatory democracy is a misnomer? Bottom line, the demes have the power (if they will use it). You are familiar with the Greek concept looked to by the founders?

[Tug]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

You're correct.  Now let's see if he actually does it.

 

I suspect not.  The bill would pass, but with a majority of Democrat votes in the House, which the Republicans would hate and which would cost McCarthy his job.

I suspect a lot of republicans would vote to approve as well it would in my humble opinion pass with strong bipartisan support and give McCarthy a fig leaf to cover his rear end from the magganuts who will immediately try to get rid of him witch hopefully the democrats won’t allow to happen,there for allowing McCarthy to extract his scrotum from mtgs claws ???? 

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, novacova said:

You failed to cite Russias nuke policy, maybe you don’t know because of a blinding narrow view fixated on your maga thing.
It’s simple, Escalate to Deescalate

A rational Western leader would know, never underestimate the words of a Russian leader, they do what they speak.

 

The US is bullying countries in the region to support the war. Hungary pretty much said f-u because Ukraine is losing, the west is losing, so in return your Biden friends and Co. bullied them even further. 

 

If anyone believes the media about what is actually going on in Ukraine, then they’re uninformed. The west is not winning and is not going to win, at least not without a major conflict. It’s complete stupidity. Everyone knows something is wrong with the picture, not everyone is willing to admit it to themselves.

Thank you for the Russia Today talking points.

 

6 hours ago, novacova said:

Who started the war…what relevance does that make? Ukraine is not NATO territory, the conflict is not any concern of the West. NATO is breaking the treaty agreement “Not One Inch” remember? 
 

Good grief already, pay attention, I’m not going school anyone here. 

Who started the war is definitely relevant in naming the warmonger.  The west now includes NATO countries that share a border with Russia and were formerly part of the USSR, and Putin has made it clear that he wants to restore the Russian Empire as it existed in the USSR.  There is no "Not One Inch" treaty agreement.

 

You should school yourself.

6 hours ago, rice555 said:

read what Lavaroth<sp> FM said, not what the MSM or what you think

is the Russian policy is. Your still stuck in the " fine people hoax".

No idea what you're talking about.

[tgw]

6 hours ago, rice555 said:

read what Lavaroth<sp> FM said, not what the MSM or what you think

is the Russian policy is. Your still stuck in the " fine people hoax".

Lavrov is a first class lying scumbag and a war criminal.

You citing his arguments is appalling.

[tgw]

7 hours ago, novacova said:

Who started the war…what relevance does that make? Ukraine is not NATO territory, the conflict is not any concern of the West. NATO is breaking the treaty agreement “Not One Inch” remember? 
 

Good grief already, pay attention, I’m not going school anyone here. 

Good thing you don't school anyone with false facts.

 

1- Not a treaty, "Not one inch to the east" was a verbal assurance given, not part of any treaty.

 

2- "Not one inch to the East" was about NATO's non-expansion into Eastern Germany, guarantee given to Gorbachev and the Soviet Union at the time of German reunification, so that Gorbachev would approve it.
Nothing to do with other countries joining NATO.

 

Edited September 23, 2023 by tgw

[tgw]

7 hours ago, novacova said:

You failed to cite Russias nuke policy, maybe you don’t know because of a blinding narrow view fixated on your maga thing.
It’s simple, Escalate to Deescalate

A rational Western leader would know, never underestimate the words of a Russian leader, they do what they speak.

 

The US is bullying countries in the region to support the war. Hungary pretty much said f-u because Ukraine is losing, the west is losing, so in return your Biden friends and Co. bullied them even further. 

 

If anyone believes the media about what is actually going on in Ukraine, then they’re uninformed. The west is not winning and is not going to win, at least not without a major conflict. It’s complete stupidity. Everyone knows something is wrong with the picture, not everyone is willing to admit it to themselves.

nope, Russian leaders don't do what they say.

they have a well documented history of lying to everyone and of breaking agreements and international treaties.

they don't even come through giving Ladas to families of the conscripts they forced to fight in Ukraine.

[eisfeld]

  

8 hours ago, impulse said:

And I've always wondered who would object to Making America Great Again?

 

That's disingenuous at best. If I form a movement called MEH (Make Everyone Happy) which goes around and defrauds people en mass I can't ask why people are against making everyone happy when they criticise the movement for what it actually does. People who criticise MAGA are not talking about the name. They talk about the actions of the movement.

Edited September 23, 2023 by eisfeld

[kiwikeith]

16 hours ago, Tug said:

We all know who is telling keven what to do.I have a feeling republicans will be an endangered species next election cycle.I’ll bet it’s party time in the kremlin .all of that beeing said it ain’t gonna fly Ukraine will get what she needs to defend herself 

Don't you mean to continue Natos war, indebt Ukraine, and take control of them. Blackrock is already taking farms over in the Ukraine. 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, eisfeld said:

  

 

That's disingenuous at best. If I form a movement called MEH (Make Everyone Happy) which goes around and defrauds people en mass I can't ask why people are against making everyone happy when they criticise the movement for what it actually does. People who criticise MAGA are not talking about the name. They talk about the actions of the movement.

Yes, but the name itself has a notorious history in American politics. It was the same slogan used by the isolationist pro Hitler party proceeding WW2. It's associated with the antisemitism of American fascists Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh. Trump if he didn't know already was informed about that history, and still went with it.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, kiwikeith said:

Don't you mean to continue Natos war, indebt Ukraine, and take control of them. Blackrock is already taking farms over in the Ukraine. 

Nato forces aren't fighting there. Nato is providing support to Ukraine of course.

[impulse]

3 hours ago, eisfeld said:

  

 

That's disingenuous at best. If I form a movement called MEH (Make Everyone Happy) which goes around and defrauds people en mass I can't ask why people are against making everyone happy when they criticise the movement for what it actually does. People who criticise MAGA are not talking about the name. They talk about the actions of the movement.

I live in a neighborhood in Texas surrounded by guys in MAGA hats and Trump flags in their yards.  They're the guys who were out helping their neighbors that summer when we had 4 tropical storms blow through and flood the whole neighborhood 4 times in a summer.  They're the guys cooking brisket, sausage and fish at the church barbeque.  They're the guys who organize the neighborhood holiday golf cart parades and the Easter egg hunt for the kids.   They're the guys offering the elderly shut-ins rides to go shopping and to get their jabs.

 

So don't pretend to lecture me about the behavior of MAGA people.  I live with them.  It's especially rich coming from a crowd here, 75% of whom haven't even been to the States since MAGA came into being.

 

 

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

I live in a neighborhood in Texas surrounded by guys in MAGA hats and Trump flags in their yards.  They're the guys who were out helping their neighbors that summer when we had 4 tropical storms blow through and flood the whole neighborhood 4 times in a summer.  They're the guys cooking brisket, sausage and fish at the church barbeque.  They're the guys who organize the neighborhood holiday golf cart parades and the Easter egg hunt for the kids.   They're the guys offering the elderly shut-ins rides to go shopping and to get their jabs.

 

So don't pretend to lecture me about the behavior of MAGA people.  I live with them.  It's especially rich coming from a crowd here, 75% of whom haven't even been to the States since MAGA came into being.

 

 

I guess you imagine that if you lived in blue neighborhood that the same thing wouldn't happen? You anecdote is pointless.

[impulse]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I guess you imagine that if you lived in blue neighborhood that the same thing wouldn't happen? You anecdote is pointless.

Tesla's don't do very well in floods.

 

[ozimoron]

Just now, impulse said:

Tesla's don't do very well in floods.

 

Apparently EV's do.

[impulse]

6 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Apparently EV's do.

Nope.  When there's 2' of salt water over the roads, the only viable option if you want to help your neighbor is a redneck pick up truck.  EV's just catch fire in salt water.

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

Nope.  When there's 2' of salt water over the roads, the only viable option if you want to help your neighbor is a redneck pick up truck.  EV's just catch fire in salt water.

 

Any car is utterly destroyed by being submerged in salt water flood.

[impulse]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Any car is utterly destroyed by being submerged in salt water flood.

And yet, there they were.  Pickups with Trump flags delivering groceries, hauling neighbors to doctor appointments, fixing broken pipes...  Corolla drivers with Biden stickers?  They stayed on the porch and thanked the nice MAGA guys.

 

BTW, when was the last time you met a guy (or gal) in a MAGA hat?  Or do you just believe what the MSM says about them?

 

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

And yet, there they were.  Pickups with Trump flags delivering groceries, hauling neighbors to doctor appointments, fixing broken pipes...  Corolla drivers with Biden stickers?  They stayed on the porch and thanked the nice MAGA guys.

 

BTW, when was the last time you met a guy (or gal) in a MAGA hat?  Or do you just believe what the MSM says about them?

 

And yet DeSantis voted against aid for Hurricane Sandy because it was NY. Of course, no leftards helped clean up after that, right?