Members Choice Employers lose migrant workers fleeing Florida’s draconian law.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

The idea of illegal immigrants doing the "stoop labour", as another poster put it, is a myth. They make up less than a third of agricultural workers in the US, and far less in other kinds of labour. There are millions of Americans who are choosing to sit on the sidelines and collect a cheque from Uncle Sugar. They need to be given incentive to get back into the workforce. 

I'm probably the "stoop labour" poster you are referring to.  I use the term because I did stoop labor in a tobacco field in August in the deep south when I was 12.  I also pushed a shovel in a lime kiln in a pulp wood mill in my home town when I was 18.  I'd rather go back to the lime kiln than the tobacco field, even though the lime dust ate holes in my skin.

 

I have a great deal of respect for people who will work that hard for an honest living.  I also know that the limited number of young people in rural areas no longer do that kind of work because they can get easier jobs that pay better.  We need immigrants.

[Hanaguma]

4 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Harvesting grains (the food we eat too much of) is largely mechanized.  Harvesting fruits and vegetables (the food we don't eat enough of) is labor intensive.  You want to make the healthy food significantly more expensive.

 

 

You think five bucks a month for a family is "significantly more expensive"?  Biden has already spent a thousand dollars per family in America on the war in Ukraine.  Which do you think is more important?

[Sticky Rice Balls]

On 9/23/2023 at 3:16 PM, heybruce said:

The hypocrisy is incredible.  The employers vote for anti-immigrant candidates then acted shocked when one of the candidates actually implements anti-immigrant measures. 

 

"And he’s not alone bad-mouthing the governor — and still singing the praises of Trump, who he feels understands him better because he, too, hires foreign workers to operate his resorts, condo towers and golf courses."

 

Apparently they think every anti-immigrant candidate should talk big but continue to allow the employment of illegals.  For the most part, the assumption has been correct.  Clearly they hate it when they get what they voted for.

weak minds are easily misled as the GOP playbook of fear politics feeds the cult of hate-racism

[heybruce]

11 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Hmm ... 

... the law makes it hard for criminal to live in the state

... the law makes employers offer a decent wage to those law abiding USA citizens that need, want to work at a fair salary.

 

Law was passed by and for USA citizens of FL for 'their' protection.

 

Maybe we should ignore all the gun & drug laws.   Oh wait, I think many states have, and how has that turned out?

 

Maybe FL can lower the price of goods stolen to be considered a felony, down to a misdemeanor.   How's that worked out California and other states?

 

If you don't want to enforce the laws, don't make them or repeal them.

 

Apparently those that care & vote, like it just the way it is.  If you don't live in FL, why do you care?

Did you read the OP?  It's about people who do care and do vote, but didn't consider the consequences of their votes.  It's not about guns, drugs or theft.

[heybruce]

1 minute ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

weak minds are easily misled as the GOP playbook of fear politics feeds the cult of hate-racism

Save me from the illegal immigrants!  But not until they finish this work I need done.

[heybruce]

5 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

You think five bucks a month for a family is "significantly more expensive"?  Biden has already spent a thousand dollars per family in America on the war in Ukraine.  Which do you think is more important?

Once again, use sources.

 

Where did you get "five bucks" from?

[Sticky Rice Balls]

24 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Good for you.

 

But don’t get to pretending Immigrants are doing the grunt work across agriculture, industry, the construction industry and private home contracting.

 

Get up and about at 5am in any American town or city and the folk you see heading out to work are largely immigrants.

 

 

as for me in hospitality field look whos cleaning the rooms and such.....also go to any 5 star kitchen in NYC and guess whos in the back doing all the prep while the Chef strolls about in his chef coat....as some Exc Chef jobs seek those that can speak spanish.....Hola Amigos! Ondelay!

 

You have the cute white girls at front desk and cafes but all the hard work in going on in the back of the house--out of sight of diners dropping $$$$...yep its me and my hombres cooking

 

my buddy runs a landscaping business and contracting gigs...guess whos in his crew...yep, as hes now asking ME when ill be back home..he wont elaborate but i know what he wants.....workers

[Sticky Rice Balls]

6 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Save me from the illegal immigrants!  But not until they finish this work I need done.

GOP Fear Politics 101..........and tax cuts for the rich and Corporate.....reminds me of the Orange guy in his tacky florida house...guess who he has working there as staff....

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2023/06/14/mar-a-lago-foreign-workers-trump-classified-documents/?sh=3feb8f9b2b6b

 

Forbes too b4 anyone tries to cry bias.....

[Hanaguma]

7 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Once again, use sources.

 

Where did you get "five bucks" from?

From my previous link;

 

https://www.epi.org/blog/how-much-would-it-cost-consumers-to-give-farmworkers-a-significant-raise-a-40-increase-in-pay-would-cost-just-25-per-household/

 

It says that a 40% increase in pay would cost 25 bucks per household. Therefore to double pay would cost 60 bucks, which means 5 dollars a month. Follow? 

 

The same place that says labor costs for all fresh fruit/veg amounts to about 10% of the retail cost to consumers. So doubling the pay for all workers would increase the cost by 10%, or the above $60 per year per family.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

32 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Hmm ... 

... the law makes it hard for criminal to live in the state

... the law makes employers offer a decent wage to those law abiding USA citizens that need, want to work at a fair salary.

 

Law was passed by and for USA citizens of FL for 'their' protection.

 

Maybe we should ignore all the gun & drug laws.   Oh wait, I think many states have, and how has that turned out?

 

Maybe FL can lower the price of goods stolen to be considered a felony, down to a misdemeanor.   How's that worked out California and other states?

 

If you don't want to enforce the laws, don't make them or repeal them.

 

Apparently those that care & vote, like it just the way it is.  If you don't live in FL, why do you care?

The targets the people doing the hard grunt work.

 

So they go to hard grunt work somewhere else.

 

Floriduh loses.

[Hanaguma]

9 minutes ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

as for me in hospitality field look whos cleaning the rooms and such.....also go to any 5 star kitchen in NYC and guess whos in the back doing all the prep while the Chef strolls about in his chef coat....as some Exc Chef jobs seek those that can speak spanish.....Hola Amigos! Ondelay!

 

You have the cute white girls at front desk and cafes but all the hard work in going on in the back of the house--out of sight of diners dropping $$$$...yep its me and my hombres cooking

 

my buddy runs a landscaping business and contracting gigs...guess whos in his crew...yep, as hes now asking ME when ill be back home..he wont elaborate but i know what he wants.....workers

Really? This link says that only 10% of restaurant workers are undocumented...

 

https://www.foodandwine.com/fwpro/prioritize-undocumented-restaurant-workers-vaccine-coronavirus

 

Pew Research says that 13% of construction workers and 21% of landscapers are illegal immigrants...

https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2016/11/03/industries-of-unauthorized-immigrant-workers/

 

So, that means that 90% of restaurant workers, 87% of construction workers, and 80% of landscapers are either American citizens or legal residents.  

 

[candide]

27 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes, like I said, there is a difference between legal visa holders/immgrants and illegal workers. It is a very important distinction.  The latter are much more vulnerable to exploitation and can easily fall through the cracks. But I was not wrong in my statement, as you asserted. Something like a third of ag workers are illegal immigrants.

Ok. However, a significant share of the current legal immigrants have started as illegal immigrants before being regularized.

[Sticky Rice Balls]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The targets the people doing the hard grunt work.

 

So they go to hard grunt work somewhere else.

 

Floriduh loses.

Lived in key west for 4 months..have NO plans to ever step foot in that states again.....nope

[KhunLA]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The targets the people doing the hard grunt work.

 

So they go to hard grunt work somewhere else.

 

Floriduh loses.

Not the Floridians who want & need a job, at a decent wage.

 

31 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Did you read the OP?  It's about people who do care and do vote, but didn't consider the consequences of their votes.  It's not about guns, drugs or theft.

It's nothing but a DeSantis hit piece, and vague attempt to justify illegal immigrants and the employer who hire them.

 

From a writer who's claim to fame is a Pulitzer, from coverage when the FL/USA tried to take a kid away from his Cuban father, and failed miserably.

[Sticky Rice Balls]

13 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Really? This link says that only 10% of restaurant workers are undocumented...

 

https://www.foodandwine.com/fwpro/prioritize-undocumented-restaurant-workers-vaccine-coronavirus

 

Pew Research says that 13% of construction workers and 21% of landscapers are illegal immigrants...

https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2016/11/03/industries-of-unauthorized-immigrant-workers/

 

So, that means that 90% of restaurant workers, 87% of construction workers, and 80% of landscapers are either American citizens or legal residents.  

 

i cant speak on legal vs illegal as i dont do the hiring.....has just been my exps entering new jobs and seeing the current staff.......but these have mostly been corp gigs...so its on them and HR but i knew of many on the H1 visas in hotels and spoke with some cute chinese gals working at a market i shop and where i was last year at the beach was a lot of Romanians working H1 visas

[3NUMBAS]

voters in houston are peed off with numbers and crime is getting bad in houston where they fear to walk the streets 

8000 across the river and none were turned back ,security has collapsed

[heybruce]

53 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

From my previous link;

 

https://www.epi.org/blog/how-much-would-it-cost-consumers-to-give-farmworkers-a-significant-raise-a-40-increase-in-pay-would-cost-just-25-per-household/

 

It says that a 40% increase in pay would cost 25 bucks per household. Therefore to double pay would cost 60 bucks, which means 5 dollars a month. Follow? 

 

The same place that says labor costs for all fresh fruit/veg amounts to about 10% of the retail cost to consumers. So doubling the pay for all workers would increase the cost by 10%, or the above $60 per year per family.

 

I'm not sure the supply chain from farm to table would agree with or accommodate their math.  Regardless, nowhere does it say that this hypothetical pay increase would affect immigration.

[heybruce]

36 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Not the Floridians who want & need a job, at a decent wage.

 

It's nothing but a DeSantis hit piece, and vague attempt to justify illegal immigrants and the employer who hire them.

 

From a writer who's claim to fame is a Pulitzer, from coverage when the FL/USA tried to take a kid away from his Cuban father, and failed miserably.

The evidence may be anecdotal, but it is credible.  Can you refute any of it?

 

As far as the story being a "DeSantis hit piece", it factually reports what DeSantis' anti-immigrant laws are doing and their effect on people.   The effect is notable on those people who never thought that voting for an anti-immigrant leader would keep them from hiring illegal immigrants.

 

BTW:  Unemployment in Florida is 2.6%.  https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FLUR  Everybody who wants to work is working, immigrants aren't taking jobs from anyone.

[KhunLA]

15 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The evidence may be anecdotal, but it is credible.  Can you refute any of it?

 

As far as the story being a "DeSantis hit piece", it factually reports what DeSantis' anti-immigrant laws are doing and their effect on people.   The effect is notable on those people who never thought that voting for an anti-immigrant leader would keep them from hiring illegal immigrants.

 

BTW:  Unemployment in Florida is 2.6%.  https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FLUR  Everybody who wants to work is working, immigrants aren't taking jobs from anyone.

So they were hoping they could continue to break the law ... hmm

 

And 2.6% of 33% of the FL population is almost 200k people, not working ... hmm

 

(I figure 1/3 too young to work, the other 1/3 to old)

[heybruce]

25 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

So they were hoping they could continue to break the law ... hmm

 

And 2.6% of 33% of the FL population is almost 200k people, not working ... hmm

 

(I figure 1/3 too young to work, the other 1/3 to old)

Yes, DeSantis voters were assuming they could continue to break the law, and now they're p.o.'d because they can't.  The wanted DeSantis to be more like Trump, someone who talks trash about immigrants but hires them illegally.

 

How many of those 2.6% do you think are unemployed because they left one job (a lot of seasonal jobs in Florida with seasonal hiring and firing)?  How many can't find a job because they have a criminal record (the US has a remarkably high incarceration rate)? 

 

2.6% is a remarkably low unemployment rate.  Jobs, especially skilled jobs, are not being filled because there are not enough candidates.

 

 

Edited September 26, 2023 by heybruce