I would think this is more of a sexual perversion than mental. These people can function in a modern society fairly well. They have made a conscious choice to flaunt their debauchery to a moral society in the hopes that they will be accepted. Unfortunately, many have accepted this depravity in the name of inclusion. 

Hazard a guess,more come from university than anywhere else.

Oh the manic depressive society is alive and not so well.

4 minutes ago, Keep Right said:

These people can function in a modern society fairly well. They have made a conscious choice to flaunt their debauchery to a moral society in the hopes that they will be accepted. Unfortunately, many have accepted this depravity in the name of inclusion. 

Exactly, it's really bizarre.

 

The question is: where will society draw the line? 

Of all the issues facing the US and the world today, it seems to me transgenderism is not high up on the list---save for POTUS-wannabes who want to pander to the trumpist fringe who live for outrage.

 

I accept that for biological reasons, some people are drawn to the same sex, some are attracted to both, and some feel as if their being is at odds with their physical body. It is not a choice.

 

That being said, I do think being what is now been given the term non-binary is a fad. Bill Maher made a joke of the trend by graphing the changes in sexual orientation over the last fifty years, ending with "if current trends continue, by 2050 we will all be gay or lesbian". I don't know the true % of humans who feel they're in the wrong body, but I doubt the % is as high as the number now claiming it, caught up in the fad. I also think some parents are caught up in the fad and want their child to be 'special', as in transgender, so they can boast or get sympathy from friends, post their 'journey' on FB or other social media, etc.

 

I remember being young, going through puberty, etc., and being confused. I wasn't confused about my gender or sexual orientation, I was just confused. Raging hormones will do that. Everyone goes through that period, and I suspect at that tender stage and age many young people could be influenced by someone telling them what that outside person thinks is their issue, when the actual issue is just the rush of hormones that come with puberty. For that reason, I would not think it is a good idea to use drugs or surgery to alter someone's gender physique before the age of consent.

3 minutes ago, Keep Right said:

I would think this is more of a sexual perversion than mental. These people can function in a modern society fairly well. They have made a conscious choice to flaunt their debauchery to a moral society in the hopes that they will be accepted. Unfortunately, many have accepted this depravity in the name of inclusion. 

Pure unadulterated hatred.

 

But like so many other cases of hate, the question arises what’s driving it?

 

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

Exactly, it's really bizarre.

 

The question is: where will society draw the line? 

Many societies have already drawn the line.

 

Directing hatred against others is illegal in many societies.

 

On 9/28/2023 at 7:49 PM, Jingthing said:

Vivek is such a total sleazeball. But he has no chance to be nominated.

Biden is you mean

On 9/28/2023 at 6:51 PM, Jingthing said:

Excuse me, but speed talking plastic Vivek doesn't impress me as a caring human being, for children, or anyone else.

 

So you are for transitioning kids before puberty, or Just attacking him because you don't like him? 

On 9/29/2023 at 9:06 AM, jak2002003 said:

As a gay man I found wonen don't care if gay men or trans use the ladies bathroom.  

 

They are quite happy to chat together at the mirror as they adjust their make up or do their hair. 

How many women did you ask to reach this conclusion? 2...200...2000?

Or are you saying that because you're gay you know what all women think? 

I have nothing against gays, ladyboys or all the current trends. Everybody has their rights and must be treated with due respect and no discrimination.

 

But encouraging teens, kids to go through sex-gender changes should be considered a crime.

 

A child is not responsible and cannot decide any gender change.

 

Even a young adult can have confused ideas. Such sex changes should not be encouraged amongst teens as many countries in Europe are promoting.

 

The (worthless) UN should ask member nations to implement domestic laws  that require at least 30 years of age before doing all these costly mutations of gender.

 

It is becomming a racket that is making billions for the opportunists who offer the hormonal and surgery services.

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not sure how you can speak on behalf of all transgenders on that.

 

Transgender people may identify as heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or none of the above.

https://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/transgender.htm

 

A document which simply underlines what an utterly senseless, delusional and reality-free fantasy game the whole transgender cult is.

 

Exactly the qualities we have come to expect from the CDC, of course.

1 minute ago, Eleftheros said:

A document which simply underlines what an utterly senseless, delusional and reality-free fantasy game the whole transgender cult is.

 

Exactly the qualities we have come to expect from the CDC, of course.

Exactly the type of unhinged rant I would expect from you

28 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Exactly the type of unhinged rant I would expect from you

You're trying to defend the indefensible, and spraying meaningless playground insults around isn't even a good defense.

 

The transgender cult is trying to get everyone to forget the biological reality which everybody knew automatically until yesterday afternoon without having to be told.

 

Anyone who tries to support the idea that a man can turn into a woman by chopping bits off his body is as deluded as the transgender cultists themselves. There's really no middle ground on this one.

7 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

You're trying to defend the indefensible, and spraying meaningless playground insults around isn't even a good defense.

 

The transgender cult is trying to get everyone to forget the biological reality which everybody knew automatically until yesterday afternoon without having to be told.

 

Anyone who tries to support the idea that a man can turn into a woman by chopping bits off his body is as deluded as the transgender cultists themselves. There's really no middle ground on this one.

I'm trying to defend the indefensible am I? How exactly? The insults already started from you with your cult nonsense, I linked to a CDC document which directly refutes the claim made by the poster I replied to. 

 

The rest of your post is just strawman as its nothing to do with the point I made. Back in your box fella

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Reaches for Venn diagram.

 

In the yellow circle People who hate people who are transgender.

 

In the blue circle people who hate gay people.

 

Now is there an overlap?

It's not about who hates who. It's,about calling someone something they are not.

 

Would a homosexual like to be called transgender? I doubt it.

 

Would someone who is transgender like to be called homosexual? I doubt it

If a man cut off his cock   .it doesn't make him a real woman it make him a man without a cock ..

 

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Ramaswamy calls transgenderism 'a mental health disorder'

it is what it is. it's a human reality, it's a mental disorder, yes, fact.

 

but what's important is what we make of it.

 

considering the amount of human suffering and oppression involved, not to mention violation of fundamental rights, it's not right to even consider attempting to therapize that disorder.

 

instead, let's make the best of it.

Edited September 30, 20232 yr by tgw

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Many societies have already drawn the line.

Twerking in G-strings for kids after luring them there with a storybook is also acceptable in come countries.

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Directing hatred against others is illegal in many societies.

Some countries have freedom of speech.

19 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I'm trying to defend the indefensible am I? How exactly? The insults already started from you with your cult nonsense, I linked to a CDC document which directly refutes the claim made by the poster I replied to. 

 

The rest of your post is just strawman as its nothing to do with the point I made. Back in your box fella

The CDC document you refer to is an infantile mish-mash of meaningless drivel like "everyone has a gender identity" which will come as news to anyone who lives in the sane world.

 

The document doesn't "refute" anything, unless it is the concept that the CDC is worth listening to about anything.

 

It's all an attempt to normalize the idea of "gender fluidity", another deluded and meaningless term which only makes sense to people who have not yet emerged from primordial narcissism and think that something is true just because they want it to be true.

 

Only the very childish or emotionally confused could support this stuff in any way.

12 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

The CDC document you refer to is an infantile mish-mash of meaningless drivel like "everyone has a gender identity" which will come as news to anyone who lives in the sane world.

 

The document doesn't "refute" anything, unless it is the concept that the CDC is worth listening to about anything.

 

It's all an attempt to normalize the idea of "gender fluidity", another deluded and meaningless term which only makes sense to people who have not yet emerged from primordial narcissism and think that something is true just because they want it to be true.

 

Only the very childish or emotionally confused could support this stuff in any way.

Another unhinged rant that misses entirely what a transgender is and calls the CDC drivel:

 

It’s easy to get this confused, particularly because T is included in the LGBTQ+ acronym (T standing for “Transgender”). The key is to remember that transgender is referring to someone’s gender identity and not their sexuality orientation. Transgender people can be gay, straight, pansexual, queer, asexual, or any other sexual orientation (just like cisgender people!).

https://thesafezoneproject.com/faq/are-all-transgender-people-gay/

 

Edited September 30, 20232 yr by Bkk Brian

1 hour ago, SingAPorn said:

I have nothing against gays, ladyboys or all the current trends. Everybody has their rights and must be treated with due respect and no discrimination.

 

But encouraging teens, kids to go through sex-gender changes should be considered a crime.

 

A child is not responsible and cannot decide any gender change.

 

Even a young adult can have confused ideas. Such sex changes should not be encouraged amongst teens as many countries in Europe are promoting.

 

The (worthless) UN should ask member nations to implement domestic laws  that require at least 30 years of age before doing all these costly mutations of gender.

 

It is becomming a racket that is making billions for the opportunists who offer the hormonal and surgery services.

So many uneducated posts on this subject, this one included. 
In the VAST majority of countries in the world the minimum age for a physical sex change is 18. Younger children can start hormone treatment earlier BUT must have the consent of themselves (obviously) their parents and most importantly, a qualified health professional who needs to confirm gender dysphoria (a recognized mental disorder). 

And also importantly, the numbers involved are minute; in the UK (my home country) there was 355 full sex changes from April 2021 to March 2022, in the USA it was approx. 10,000 but importantly, only 56 we’re under 18 and were diagnosed with severe gender dysphoria and suicidal tendencies. 
This idea that children are getting their bits chopped off is just absolute nonsense, perpetuated by an increasing number of irrelevant GOP candidates dog whistling to the ignorant and ill-informed. 
It’s a medical issue better handled by medical professionals. 

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/

Edited September 30, 20232 yr by johnnybangkok

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Pure unadulterated hatred.

Indeed

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But like so many other cases of hate, the question arises what’s driving it?

Leftist ideology and intolerance? 

1 minute ago, johnnybangkok said:

So many uneducated posts on this subject, this one included. 
In the VAST majority of countries in the world the minimum age for a physical sex change is 18. Younger children can start hormone treatment earlier BUT must have the consent of themselves (obviously) their parents and most importantly, a qualified health professional who needs to confirm gender dysphoria (a recognized mental disorder). 

And also importantly, the numbers involved are minute; in the UK (my home country) there was 355 full sex changes from April 2021 to March 2022, in the USA it was approx. 10,000 but importantly, only 56 we’re under 18 and were diagnosed with severe gender dysphoria and suicidal tendencies. 
This idea that children are getting their bits chopped off is just absolute nonsense, perpetuated by an increasing number of irrelevant GOP candidates dog whistling to the ignorant and ill-informed. 
It’s a medical issue better handled by medical professionals. 

So many ill educated posts on this subject, this one included. 

10 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

The CDC document you refer to is an infantile mish-mash of meaningless drivel like "everyone has a gender identity" which will come as news to anyone who lives in the sane world.

 

The document doesn't "refute" anything, unless it is the concept that the CDC is worth listening to about anything.

 

It's all an attempt to normalize the idea of "gender fluidity", another deluded and meaningless term which only makes sense to people who have not yet emerged from primordial narcissism and think that something is true just because they want it to be true.

 

Only the very childish or emotionally confused could support this stuff in any way.

So in your 'expert' opinion, anyone diagnosed with gender dysphoria ( a recognised mental health disorder) is just allowing themselves to be swept up in 'primordial narcissism'.

I think I can find you quite a few health EXPERTS who would strongly disagree with you.

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So many ill educated posts on this subject, this one included. 

Gone on then, educate me. You saying it's so doesn't actually make it so.

53 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

It's not about who hates who. It's,about calling someone something they are not.

 

Would a homosexual like to be called transgender? I doubt it.

 

Would someone who is transgender like to be called homosexual? I doubt it

It’s not the mind of the victim that determines the thoughts of the aggressor.

 

I very much doubt there are many people exhibiting transphobia who are not also homophobic.

 

I agree with the author here, ‘homophobia and transphobia are inextricably linked’.

 https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/07/13/transphobia-and-homophobia-are-inextricably-linked

41 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

So many uneducated posts on this subject, this one included. 
In the VAST majority of countries in the world the minimum age for a physical sex change is 18. Younger children can start hormone treatment earlier BUT must have the consent of themselves (obviously) their parents and most importantly, a qualified health professional who needs to confirm gender dysphoria (a recognized mental disorder). 

And also importantly, the numbers involved are minute; in the UK (my home country) there was 355 full sex changes from April 2021 to March 2022, in the USA it was approx. 10,000 but importantly, only 56 we’re under 18 and were diagnosed with severe gender dysphoria and suicidal tendencies. 
This idea that children are getting their bits chopped off is just absolute nonsense, perpetuated by an increasing number of irrelevant GOP candidates dog whistling to the ignorant and ill-informed. 
It’s a medical issue better handled by medical professionals. 

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/

So did your operation go well ?

 

 

On 9/28/2023 at 4:49 PM, Jingthing said:

Vivek is such a total sleazeball. But he has no chance to be nominated.

Unlike the one who does appear to have a mental disorder, not Trump of course, the next President.????

2 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

So did your operation go well ?

 

 

A bit of transphobic baiting right there in plain sight.

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

So did your operation go well ?

 

 

Yes. From now on I want you all to call me Loretta. 

Edited September 30, 20232 yr by johnnybangkok