The Covid-19 Pandemic - Are you ready to forgive and forget?

[Red Phoenix]

The Covid-19 Pandemic - Are you ready to forgive and forget?

> It is obvious that the mitigation measures to counter the Covid-19 pandemic have done much personal and societal harm (e.g. lockdowns, adverse covid-vaccine effects, etc.).  

Some will argue that these measures were and are worth it to prevent greater harm, while others are convinced that the cure was and is far worse than the illness.

Irrespective of your opinion on the above, it is clear that mistakes have been made during the Covid-19 Pandemic.

And so the question whether you are prepared to forgive and forget and carry on with your life, will be an interesting discussion topic!

So this thread is not about facts or mis-information, but about AN Members OPINION on this issue. 

Edited October 7, 2023 by Red Phoenix

[Pi Tao]

No.

 

[save the frogs]

13 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

personal and societal harm

https://pesquisa.bvsalud.org/global-literature-on-novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov/resource/pt/covidwho-714539

Positive aspects of covid 19 pandemic: A blessing in disguise

 

good things have come out of the pandemic as well. Positive effects of COVID 19 are seen on reduced road traffic, and road traffic accidents lowered levels of air pollution which has to lead to lowered heart attack rates and rejuvenating environment.

 

 

[Chris Daley]

I didn't really take any notice of it.  We were forced to do covid tests at work but all mine amazingly came back negative.

[Red Phoenix]

My personal stance > Perfect memory and unforgiven!

[Lacessit]

I might have had a problem with lockdowns in Australia; however, I was in Thailand.

One of the big mistakes made by medical authorities was the failure to communicate vaccines did not prevent COVID. I had COVID after vaccination. I am in the most vulnerable age cohort. My symptoms were quite mild, three days of a sore throat and runny nose.

 

For me, there is nothing to forgive. Health authorities world-wide were scrambling to protect people any way they could, some politicians were running interference in the name of a sacred cow, the economy.

 

It's a bit difficult to forget anti-vaxxers, who cherry-picked data to suit their confirmation bias.

[UWEB]

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

It's a bit difficult to forget anti-vaxxers, who cherry-picked data to suit their confirmation bias.

perfect

[owl sees all]

The big plus for me is that more people are now awake than ever before. Of course, I feel for the people who died unnecessarily, due to government, and WHO policy, but in the big picture, covid will give way to something else, to instill fear into the populas**. Klimate change perhaps.

 

Some people, who took the jab/shot/vax, will continue to die prematurely. However, there is simply no excuse, or reason, why thinking, informed people would be fooled into the same thing again.

 

A great interview on the Richie Allen Show Tuesday gone, when Matt Le Tissier was his guest.

 

Never forget or forgive.

 

** As I wrote in my book (written before 2020). For the people who wish to control us; 'fear' gives the opportunity.

 

 

Edited October 7, 2023 by owl sees all
Removed 'person' and put in 'people'.

[2baht]

WWIII originating from Wuhan! Forgive what???

[owl sees all]

23 minutes ago, 2baht said:

WWIII originating from Wuhan! Forgive what???

Very interesting 2baht. Please elaborate.

[Eleftheros]

The perpetrators of the Covid pandemic response are now falling over one another to pretend that it was somebody else's fault, or that they didn't really say things that they publicly did, or that nothing really happened anyway.

 

That tells you all you need to know about the people involved, and their continued bad-faith actions.

 

If you forgive and forget, you simply hand them free license to do it all over again for some other reason.

[owl sees all]

26 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

The perpetrators of the Covid pandemic response are now falling over one another to pretend that it was somebody else's fault, or that they didn't really say things that they publicly did, or that nothing really happened anyway.

 

That tells you all you need to know about the people involved, and their continued bad-faith actions.

 

If you forgive and forget, you simply hand them free license to do it all over again for some other reason.

I agree.

 

But for me there is far more. Long before covid was thrust upon the world; in fact going back 40+ years, I became more increasingly aware that things were completely wrong. And, I'm talking about the whole 'germ theory'. I don't buy into it, and have my own views, that I can't state on this platform, at the moment.

 

The 'germ theory' is the biggest money spinner the world has known. For some. that is! Easily surpassing the military complex. But it's not just to do with money. It's essentially to do with life itself. I want to return to 'nature'. The body is fine as it is. Can't poison a healthy body to good health. Not in my book anyway.

 

[novacova]

3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

And so the question whether you are prepared to forgive and forget and carry on with your life,

Personally for me there is never forgive and forget when governments and media impose their will and thoughts upon others. 
As far as carrying on with my life, even during that zombie apocalypse episode, I did my best to ignore and live my life as normal. Unfortunately, I went to the US in January 2020 and got stranded there until the airlines began flying again. I had no intention of getting vaccinated, though I had to in order to return here. My wife is mask inherent, I can’t be seen by her without a mask on outside(where’s your mask!!??), though oddly it’s okay if I wear it on my chin, as long as it’s somewhere on my face it’s acceptable, that is part of the psychological affect that the media and governments imposed, not to mention all the ironed in notions that many carry.

[rabas]

No. Not until risky gain of function research is regulated responsibly worldwide and,  the US and Western governments can prevent state actors like China from perusing bio-weapon power. 

 

Tall order. As of today most virologists graduating from top universities can design their own virus and in not so many years kids may be able to using their USB5.0 home virolab kit. You can already buy home gene scanners and check out your own DNA. 

[WhatMeWorry]

[owl sees all]

4 hours ago, owl sees all said:

The 'germ theory' is the biggest money spinner the world has known. For some. that is! Easily surpassing the military complex.

Banking - Big Phama - Military complex - Oil industry. Big money business.

 

3 hours ago, rabas said:

No. Not until risky gain of function research is regulated responsibly worldwide and,  the US and Western governments can prevent state actors like China from perusing bio-weapon power. 

 

Tall order. As of today most virologists graduating from top universities can design their own virus and in not so many years kids may be able to using their USB5.0 home virolab kit. You can already buy home gene scanners and check out your own DNA

For me. This is a massive  'Red Herring'. Viruses are cell debris. The ones that cause illness are in a computer; nowhere else.

 

Might be able to design something in a computer, but until some evidence arrives that show viruses cause illness, I'll stick with nature.

 

I've yet to hear anyone define a bio-weapon. Making poisons in a lab; yes! Developing toxins that can harm and kill; yes. But so far no-one has found a 'bio' particle that can be transmitted from person to person. They tried very hard with the so-called Spanish Flu. But not yet.

 

Could I just add that 'virology' is not a science at all. In my opinion naturally.

 

 

Edited October 7, 2023 by owl sees all

[rattlesnake]

What the governments did was one thing.
But none of this would have been possible without the active participation of the ordinary citizens who condoned and facilitated authoritarianism, segregation and discrimination in the strictest sense of the terms.
I said from the very beginning that I felt this forced injection was not right and that there was cause for concern in many respects, and was subject to extraordinary abuse and pressure. The further the government went down the authoritarian, segregation and discrimination road, the more the “good, abiding citizens” condoned and aided it, without batting an eyelid. There are countless examples on this forum, and I am adding a few examples below.
What are the lessons to be learnt from this?
Well, those who are familiar with Stanley Milgram’s work (as yours truly is) did not find it all that surprising.
But forgiveness? Now that is a tricky one indeed, as those people now saying “it’s all behind us”, “let’s move on”, “nobody was forced to do anything” etc. are the ones who would have gleefully watched me getting arrested and forcefully injected (which was advocated by several heads of State and media outlets at the peak of the crisis).

https://aseannow.com/topic/1249061-are-we-just-going-to-have-to-live-with-unvaccinated-people-across-thailand/?do=findComment&comment=17165049

https://aseannow.com/topic/1240027-anutin-speaks-out-on-the-unvaccinated-possibly-facing-restrictions/?do=findComment&comment=16990342

https://aseannow.com/topic/1240027-anutin-speaks-out-on-the-unvaccinated-possibly-facing-restrictions/?do=findComment&comment=16990711

[Eleftheros]

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

What the governments did was one thing.
But none of this would have been possible without the active participation of the ordinary citizens who condoned and facilitated authoritarianism, segregation and discrimination in the strictest sense of the terms.

That is undoubtedly true. But don't forget that the citizens in the West were subjected to the most psychologically sophisticated and sustained propaganda campaign ever mounted.

 

It literally broke many people; even now you see them walking around cowering behind their masks and becoming abusive towards others who are not wearing them. It is a form of PTSD. They were scared out of their socks and are unable to get back to normal functioning.

 

Another reason to never forget, never forgive.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

14 hours ago, save the frogs said:

https://pesquisa.bvsalud.org/global-literature-on-novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov/resource/pt/covidwho-714539

Positive aspects of covid 19 pandemic: A blessing in disguise

 

good things have come out of the pandemic as well. Positive effects of COVID 19 are seen on reduced road traffic, and road traffic accidents lowered levels of air pollution which has to lead to lowered heart attack rates and rejuvenating environment.

 

 

 

Seems as though you and/or your source are conveniently forgetting about the official 7 million COVID deaths worldwide since 2020, and the estimates that the actual number taking into account undercounting is more likely in the 15-30 million COVID-related deaths range:

 

"Globally, as of 7:50pm CEST, 4 October 2023, there have been 771,151,224 confirmed cases of COVID-19, including 6,960,783 deaths, reported to WHO."

 

https://covid19.who.int/

 

 

 

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates

 

14.9 million excess deaths associated with the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 and 2021

 

5 May 2022

 

"New estimates from the World Health Organization (WHO) show that the full death toll associated directly or indirectly with the COVID-19 pandemic (described as “excess mortality”) between 1 January 2020 and 31 December 2021 was approximately 14.9 million (range 13.3 million to 16.6 million)."

 

https://www.who.int/news/item/05-05-2022-14.9-million-excess-deaths-were-associated-with-the-covid-19-pandemic-in-2020-and-2021

 

 

 

 

[rattlesnake]

5 hours ago, Eleftheros said:

That is undoubtedly true. But don't forget that the citizens in the West were subjected to the most psychologically sophisticated and sustained propaganda campaign ever mounted.

 

It literally broke many people; even now you see them walking around cowering behind their masks and becoming abusive towards others who are not wearing them. It is a form of PTSD. They were scared out of their socks and are unable to get back to normal functioning.

 

Another reason to never forget, never forgive.

True. The vast majority of people just did it so they could work and put food on the table.

 

Even here in Thailand, the honest, simple, hard-working people just did it because the authorities told them it was the right thing to do and it was either that or get fired. I do feel for them as lots of them are injured. I recently watched a video where a Thai guy explains the vaccine uptake has dropped significantly in the country due to obvious injury and death. The most compelling thing is the comment section: there are currently over 2,000 comments by people saying they are suffering in various ways, constant fatigue, joint pain, rashes, limb pain, always sick… as well as testimonies about loved ones dying or bedridden. It is, quite frankly, heartbreaking.

 

Of course, the vax proponents refuse to look at that type of source. "Not approved", you see… There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Edited October 7, 2023 by rattlesnake

[rattlesnake]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Seems as though you and/or your source are conveniently forgetting about the official 7 million COVID deaths worldwide since 2020, and the estimates that the actual number taking into account undercounting is more likely in the 15-30 million COVID-related deaths range:

 

"Globally, as of 7:50pm CEST, 4 October 2023, there have been 771,151,224 confirmed cases of COVID-19, including 6,960,783 deaths, reported to WHO."

 

https://covid19.who.int/

 

 

 

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates

 

14.9 million excess deaths associated with the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 and 2021

 

5 May 2022

 

"New estimates from the World Health Organization (WHO) show that the full death toll associated directly or indirectly with the COVID-19 pandemic (described as “excess mortality”) between 1 January 2020 and 31 December 2021 was approximately 14.9 million (range 13.3 million to 16.6 million)."

 

https://www.who.int/news/item/05-05-2022-14.9-million-excess-deaths-were-associated-with-the-covid-19-pandemic-in-2020-and-2021

 

 

 

 

So your rationale is that it was worth it?

[save the frogs]

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

about the official 7 million COVID deaths worldwide since 2020

yeah, that's a lot!

i didn't meet one person who dropped dead (then again, my social circle is small)

but there's a couple of aholes around me I wish would have been obliterated by that flu. 

 

[Eleftheros]

7 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

So your rationale is that it was worth it?

The collectivist types love these computer models and their "official" projections of 7 million Covid deaths.

 

But they always neglect to mention the hard data such as the fact that the median age of Covid deaths was around 82 years in the UK, and likely similar in other developed countries with equivalent demographics.

 

Was the heavy-handed response worth it? No. By any measure, economic, social and even health-related, the "cure" was many times worse than the disease. A man-made catastrophe, indeed.

[rabas]

11 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

So your rationale is that it was worth it?

Hard to say without knowing what would happen if the most infectious and mutagenic respiratory virus ever seen went unopposed. It certainly doesn't sound like a rational idea.