I reckon the Savannakhet Embassy is about to become very busy..

[bob smith]

If Thailand does indeed bring in this ridiculous tax policy on foreign income generated abroad then it should be relatively easy for us married folk to dodge the bullet.

 

Apparently to be considered Tax resident one has to be in country in excess of 180 days.

 

As a Multi Entry Non O visa grants you stay of maximum 90 days per time, this would negate the tax resident status.

 

Always have your Plan B in the back burner ready to go, folks.

thinks can change out here in the blink of an eye.

Edited October 13, 2023 by bob smith

[bamnutsak]

3 minutes ago, bob smith said:

Always have your Plan B

What is your Plan B?

 

Live in Laos for 185 days each year?

[bob smith]

Just now, bamnutsak said:

What is your Plan B?

 

Live in Laos for 185 days each year?

I could easily do that.

 

No problem for me.

[bob smith]

1 minute ago, bamnutsak said:

What is your Plan B?

 

Live in Laos for 185 days each year?

Also, as a Multi Entry visa is obtained out of country I don’t see how the tax issue can be connected to your visa, ie they couldn’t ask for proof that you have paid tax like they could at immigration office in Thailand.

 

unless they start asking for tax returns for all Non O multi entry visas abroad? Highly doubtful.

[bamnutsak]

Just now, bob smith said:

I could easily do that.

 

No problem for me.

OK, so that's your Plan B?

 

Assuming you have fixed expenses in Thailand with a spouse, you'll be adding additional expenses living in Laos for 185 days. You may spend more doing that than potentially paying some taxes in Thailand?

 

 

 

 

[bob smith]

Just now, bamnutsak said:

OK, so that's your Plan B?

 

Assuming you have fixed expenses in Thailand with a spouse, you'll be adding additional expenses living in Laos for 185 days. You may spend more doing that than potentially paying some taxes in Thailand?

 

 

 

 

No, its not my plan B.

 

How would they enforce tax collection for people on Non O Multiple entry visas?

 

Is the tax man going to be knocking on my door when he doesn’t know where I live??

[Prubangboy]

Laos business visa is very iffy to get. Prob have to pay under the table. I had a cultural visa there for six months. It required a donation.

 

Also, in Laos, if they are unhappy with you, they just drive you to a border and send you on your way. No hearing, no nothing. 2 Christians were handing out Jesus DVD's in Vientiane. They were relieved of their dvd's, allowed to collect their luggage, and dropped at The Friendship Bridge. So a little insecure as a residence.

 

Rent's in Sakanavet? Prob not a lot of places to rent.

Edited October 13, 2023 by Prubangboy

[SingAPorn]

Plan B could be to move out to a more friendly countries in Asia, with less immigration hassles, hotter gals, cheaper prices and great quality of living.

[bamnutsak]

6 minutes ago, bob smith said:

No, its not my plan B.

Maybe stop being coy and just tell us what your Plan B is?

 

17 minutes ago, bob smith said:

Always have your Plan B in the back burner ready to go, folks.

It's back there, on the back burner bubbling away, just look in and tell us what you got cooking.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 13, 2023 by bamnutsak

[bob smith]

Please don’t miss my point.

 

My point is this: If tax is connecting to ones visa, ie marriage extension for example, that would be easy to enforce. The IO could just ask for proof of the funds and tax returns paid on them.

 

But if one is on a Non O multi entry, then unless they start asking for Tax returns at consulates there would be no way to enforce it.

[bigt3116]

2 minutes ago, bob smith said:

But if one is on a Non O multi entry, then unless they start asking for Tax returns at consulates there would be no way to enforce it.

Maybe that is exactly what they will do, as they will assume that you will be spending over 180 days in country.

 

As for single entry, maybe they will ask for tax details when you apply for your second one in any fiscal year.

 

[bamnutsak]

2 minutes ago, bob smith said:

My point is this: If tax is connecting to ones visa

I think any potential tax liability is tied to your tax residency in Thailand?

 

More than 180 days = potential liability.

 

 

Maybe just expand on your "point", and plans. 

[bigt3116]

20 minutes ago, bob smith said:

As a Multi Entry Non O visa grants you stay of maximum 90 days per time, this would negate the tax resident status.

What a ridiculous statement!

 

90 days per entry, multi entry = quite probably way over the 180 days in any fiscal year.

[bob smith]

3 minutes ago, bigt3116 said:

What a ridiculous statement!

 

90 days per entry, multi entry = quite probably way over the 180 days in any fiscal year.

How would they enforce it?

 

come on, enlighten me..

tax returns at consulates abroad? You are havin a laff!

Edited October 13, 2023 by bob smith

[NanLaew]

12 minutes ago, bob smith said:

Please don’t miss my point.

 

My point is this: If tax is connecting to ones visa, ie marriage extension for example, that would be easy to enforce. The IO could just ask for proof of the funds and tax returns paid on them.

 

But if one is on a Non O multi entry, then unless they start asking for Tax returns at consulates there would be no way to enforce it.

Income tax isn't related to anyone's Thailand immigration status or their Thailand long-stay entitlement.

 

If you have a Thai bank account in your name, the Thailand Revenue Department already know where to "find" you.

 

If you are happy to fund your long-stay through credit cards and cash withdrawals from foreign banks via the ATM, you'll be OK.

Edited October 13, 2023 by NanLaew

[bob smith]

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

Income tax isn't related to anyone's Thailand immigration status or their Thailand long-stay entitlement.

 

If you have a Thai bank account, they already know where to "find" you.

 

If you are happy to fund your long-stay through credit cards and cash withdrawals from foreign banks via the ATM, you'll be OK.

A Thai bank account can be closed as quickly as it can be opened…

[DrJack54]

Another rambling rubbish thread concerning misunderstood tax.

Pull up the bar stools.

[bob smith]

2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

 

Another rambling rubbish thread concerning misunderstood tax

 

What did I misunderstand? 

[NanLaew]

5 minutes ago, bob smith said:

A Thai bank account can be closed as quickly as it can be opened…

Opening one usually takes longer than closing one and for now, opening a new one can be challenging.

 

It will be even more challenging when opening a new account in Thailand requires the applicant to have a Thailand TIN (Tax ID Number).

[NanLaew]

9 minutes ago, Summerinsiam said:

This guy is either a prick or a troll. Why do you engage with this loser?

Why do you care about who other members engage with?

 

Jog on.

Edited October 13, 2023 by NanLaew

[bob smith]

9 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Opening one usually takes longer than closing one and for now, opening a new one can be challenging.

 

It will be even more challenging when opening a new account in Thailand requires the applicant to have a Thailand TIN (Tax ID Number).

I opened mine years ago.

 

was in and out in 10 minutes.

 

But if my bank account becomes an issue going forward with regards to tax then it will be getting closed.

[JeffersLos]

42 minutes ago, bob smith said:

How would they enforce tax collection for people on Non O Multiple entry visas?

Simple.

 

You do a border run every 90 days. You're in the computer system (and have the entry/exit stamps) showing that you were in Thailand for around 350 days for the year. The IO dealing with your entry and exit clearly see this. 

 

The last time I checked, around 350 is more than 180.

[bob smith]

Just now, JeffersLos said:

Simple.

 

You do a border run every 90 days. You're in the computer system (and have the entry/exit stamps) showing that you were in Thailand for around 350 days for the year. The IO dealing with your entry and exit clearly see this. 

 

The last time I checked, around 350 is more than 180.

So the IO at the border checkpoint is going to be checking tax returns now are they?

 

don’t you know how ridiculous that sounds? 

[JeffersLos]

18 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

It will be even more challenging when opening a new account in Thailand requires the applicant to have a Thailand TIN (Tax ID Number).

Why?

 

You don't need a work permit or visa to get a TIN.

 

You can then pay income tax on Thai rental income, stock dividends, overseas income which can be offset your home country's tax. 

[JeffersLos]

1 minute ago, bob smith said:

So the IO at the border checkpoint is going to be checking tax returns now are they?

When they see that you've been living here for pretty much the whole year, sure. 

[NanLaew]

1 minute ago, bob smith said:

3 minutes ago, JeffersLos said:

Simple.

 

You do a border run every 90 days. You're in the computer system (and have the entry/exit stamps) showing that you were in Thailand for around 350 days for the year. The IO dealing with your entry and exit clearly see this. 

 

The last time I checked, around 350 is more than 180.

Expand  

So the IO at the border checkpoint is going to be checking tax returns now are they?

 

don’t you know how ridiculous that sounds?

@JeffersLos never suggested that the border IO's will be doing that. Nobody has.

 

You need to think outside your box a wee bit more.

[bob smith]

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

@JeffersLos never suggested that the border IO's will be doing that. Nobody has.

 

You need to think outside your box a wee bit more.

“When they see that you've been living here for pretty much the whole year, sure”
 

he just posted that ^^^^^

 

so he is suggesting it!!!

Edited October 13, 2023 by bob smith

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, bamnutsak said:

What is your Plan B?

 

Live in Laos for 185 days each year?

Cambodia, Philippines, Vietnam are much more fun.

I did 5 years of Multi non-Os (Savannakhet and Saigon) when CM immigration were a little 'difficult', but now they're really easy so I'm back to Non-O extensions at CM.

 

Enjoyed all the travelling the Multis forced me to do.

China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Philippines were all great.

Edited October 13, 2023 by BritManToo

[pagallim]

22 minutes ago, bob smith said:

What did I misunderstand? 

The definition of tax residency in Thailand is that of already paying Thai tax, typically through employment, in which case those liable for tax would have a work permit.    Nothing to do with typical retirees and others who do not work here and fund their stay through overseas earnings such as pensions and/or investments etc.   This whole overseas tax thing is aimed at Thais who have undeclared overseas earnings/offshore accounts etc, not Joe Soap who is renting out his house in Birmingham to fund his Thai life.

[freeworld]

57 minutes ago, bob smith said:

Please don’t miss my point.

 

My point is this: If tax is connecting to ones visa, ie marriage extension for example, that would be easy to enforce. The IO could just ask for proof of the funds and tax returns paid on them.

 

But if one is on a Non O multi entry, then unless they start asking for Tax returns at consulates there would be no way to enforce it.

Tax returns submitted at consulates LOL.

 

The way they used to enforce it was long stay visas with tax residence had to show a tax clearance certificate obtained from the tax office to be shown at departure if border post immig asked.

 

ie tax is cleared first with the tax people in the resident country and has nothing to do with a visa obtained at an external consulate/embassy.

Edited October 13, 2023 by freeworld