Analysis The Gaza diplomacy of Biden, Sunak and co seems to be heading for failure

[JBChiangRai]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

But Hamas would still be firing and killing Israel's

That’s probably true, but it’s up to Israel to be the better man and find another solution that avoids killing, innocent Gazan civilians.  I say, take the high moral ground Israel and stop, reacting with violence to provocation.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

That’s probably true, but it’s up to Israel to be the better man and find another solution that avoids killing, innocent Gazan civilians.  I say, take the high moral ground Israel and stop, reacting with violence to provocation.

 

 

No, its up to Israel to defend its citizens from terror attacks and daily war crimes and you may want to remind Hamas about how many Palestinians they kill daily with the rockets that land back in Gaza

[JBChiangRai]

5 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Me too, I just buy the large expensive organic ones.

How did I deflect? By pointing out, again, that your choice of information source is flawed?

You deflected from my reply about how Al Jazeera is “generally trustworthy” and pointing out unspecified earlier comments of mine.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

You deflected from my reply about how Al Jazeera is “generally trustworthy” and pointing out unspecified earlier comments of mine.

Its also anti semitic:

 

During the Second Intifada, Palestinians killed by Israelis were referred to as "martyrs"; Israelis killed by Palestinians were not.

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

You deflected from my reply about how Al Jazeera is “generally trustworthy” and pointing out unspecified earlier comments of mine.

 

Yawn. If you think Al Jazeera is not biased in it's coverage, analysis and commentary - guess you live in bizarro world.

[JBChiangRai]

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Should the Israeli government care more about Palestinian lives than the Palestinians' own government?

The Israeli Government should care about ALL lives if they want to take the moral high ground.

 

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No, its up to Israel to defend its citizens from terror attacks and daily war crimes and you may want to remind Hamas about how many Palestinians they kill daily with the rockets that land back in Gaza

 

Violence begets Violence.  The key to winning this long term is winning the hearts and minds of the Palestinian people, if not then generation after generation of Palestinians will hate Israelis.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its also anti semitic:

 

During the Second Intifada, Palestinians killed by Israelis were referred to as "martyrs"; Israelis killed by Palestinians were not.

 
You have to divide Al Jazeera into 2 halves. Its broadcasting within the Arab Middle East is both antisemitic and biased.  Ut’s broadcasting worldwide is as biased and antisemitic as they think they can get away with.  You’re probably surprised I share your view to a some extent.

 

3 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Yawn. If you think Al Jazeera is not biased in it's coverage, analysis and commentary - guess you live in bizarro world.

see above

[observer90210]

No failure as Biden's policy is to precisely to create more tension, better if a war. Oil prices will hike and profit to the US majors, not to mention the many juicy arms deals at hand. So No, it's not a failure, for them.

 

Not to forget that a war is godsent to any politician on the tip of being rolled of the polls in the next elections. War is something that can turn a shrewd, incompetent or any corrupt politician into a hero.

 

Just look at what happened in Ukraine. Few months before the Rusky invasion, Ukrainian society wanted the current government out. A week after the rusky invasion, the vilains of yesterday,  become global rock stars.

 

Once again, the Hamas terrorism is digusting and unacceptab le. But that is no reason to punish all civilians ? A reason to violate all the international conventions on War ?  Same for the unacceptable Gaza bombings of Israel. But is that a reason to punish blindly israeli civilians amongst who, many want BiBi out of business.

 

Civilians are the ones who are innocent, not to blame and suffer be it in the US, Israel, Gaza or Ukraine. All due to the corrupt political policies of their leaders.

[JBChiangRai]

Yellowtail, BKK Brian, morch

 

There is only us here, you can drop the emoji support for each other and the negative ones you put on my posts.

 

 You’re just making yourselves look like biased idiots.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

The Israeli Government should care about ALL lives if they want to take the moral high ground.

 

It does and especially its own citizens

 

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

Violence begets Violence.  The key to winning this long term is winning the hearts and minds of the Palestinian people, if not then generation after generation of Palestinians will hate Israelis.

 

Indeed so Hamas should stop the rockets and terror attacks. Perhaps they could at least start with changing their charter calls that calls for the elimination of a race of people? Would be a good start right?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

Yellowtail, BKK Brian, morch

 

There is only us here, you can drop the emoji support for each other and the negative ones you put on my posts.

 

 You’re just making yourselves look like biased idiots.

snowflake?

[JBChiangRai]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

It does and especially its own citizens

 

Indeed so Hamas should stop the rockets and terror attacks. Perhaps they could at least start with changing their charter calls that calls for the elimination of a race of people? Would be a good start right?

let’s not forget that Hamas is a terrorist organisation.

 

And let’s remember that the Gazan citizens are mostly innocent civilians.

 

Somebody has to start with an approach that stops the violence, clearly it’s not going to be Hamas, who else can it be, but Israel?

[transam]

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Yellowtail, BKK Brian, morch

 

There is only us here, you can drop the emoji support for each other and the negative ones you put on my posts.

 

 You’re just making yourselves look like biased idiots.

Don't be silly, man up...............🙄

[JBChiangRai]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

snowflake?

 

If the cap fits…

 

You will notice I am not posting any stupid emojis on your posts.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

 

If the cap fits…

 

You will notice I am not posting any stupid emojis on your posts.

I don't know if you are or not they are anonymous..lol maybe you are secretly supporting me.........

[JBChiangRai]

Just now, transam said:

Don't be silly, man up...............🙄

Thank you for your usual intelligent comment.

[JBChiangRai]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

I don't know if you are or not they are anonymous..lol maybe you are secretly supporting me.........

I will be happy to support you on other issues, when we’re on the same page.

 

It’s not unhealthy to disagree on some things..

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

I will be happy to support you on other issues, when we’re on the same page.

 

It’s not unhealthy to disagree on some things..

Think its time to stop deflecting and get back on topic.

[transam]

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

let’s not forget that Hamas is a terrorist organisation.

 

And let’s remember that the Gazan citizens are mostly innocent civilians.

 

Somebody has to start with an approach that stops the violence, clearly it’s not going to be Hamas, who else can it be, but Israel?

The governing body of 1930/40's Germany were Nazi, the majority of civilians were not, what happened to end the German war aggression and dispense of the Nazi's regarding civilians. .........?

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

let’s not forget that Hamas is a terrorist organisation.

 

And let’s remember that the Gazan citizens are mostly innocent civilians.

 

Somebody has to start with an approach that stops the violence, clearly it’s not going to be Hamas, who else can it be, but Israel?

Yes, Hamas is also some 40,000 strong and very rich, lets also remember that all citizens in Israel are innocent

[JBChiangRai]

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

It does and especially its own citizens

 

Indeed so Hamas should stop the rockets and terror attacks. Perhaps they could at least start with changing their charter calls that calls for the elimination of a race of people? Would be a good start right?

There’s only one way to defeat Hamas and that is to turn the Palestinian people against them. Israel is playing into their hands. Let’s be a realistic, Hamas is not going to stop on their own.

 

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes, Hamas is also some 40,000 strong and very rich

You are cherry picking Brian. Wikipedia says 15-40k, let’s say something in the middle, 27,500

 

 

1 minute ago, transam said:

The governing body of 1930/40's Germany were Nazi, the majority of civilians were not, what happened to end the German war aggression and dispense of the Nazi's regarding civilians. .........?

Not a lot, see my reply in this post about defeating Hamas.

[Morch]

18 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

The Israeli Government should care about ALL lives if they want to take the moral high ground.

 

 

Violence begets Violence.  The key to winning this long term is winning the hearts and minds of the Palestinian people, if not then generation after generation of Palestinians will hate Israelis.

 
You have to divide Al Jazeera into 2 halves. Its broadcasting within the Arab Middle East is both antisemitic and biased.  Ut’s broadcasting worldwide is as biased and antisemitic as they think they can get away with.  You’re probably surprised I share your view to a some extent.

 

see above

 

What about the Hamas government. Don't see you complaining that much about that. After all, they didn't do anything to protect their civilians, called on them to remain and face deadly attack, tried to block them from evacuating, launch rockets from residential areas and whatnot. Somehow, in your odd world, they are apparently less responsible for the welfare and well being of Palestinian civilians. Go figure....

 

How about the Palestinians trying to win the hearts and minds of Israelis? Do you seriously expect Israelis to embrace Palestinians after 7/10? How realistic is that? Don't think it's human nature to forgive and forget, call bygones that quick. For some reason you seem to hold Israel to unrealistic standards.

 

I'm acquainted with both editions of AJ, my comments stand.

 

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[Bkk Brian]

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

There’s only one way to defeat Hamas and that is to turn the Palestinian people against them. Israel is playing into their hands. Let’s be a realistic, Hamas is not going to stop on their own.

 

Very difficult to turn the people away when they offer $10,000 for each Israeli kidnapped and an apartment and get a huge amount of funding from Iran.

 

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

You are cherry picking Brian. Wikipedia says 15-40k, let’s say something in the middle, 27,500

 

What makes you think I went to Wiki and cherry picked?

 

"They are a mini-army," said a source close to Hamas in the Gaza Strip, who declined to be named due to the sensitivity of the matter. He said the group had a military academy training a range of specialisations including cyber security, and boasts a naval commando unit among its 40,000-strong military wing.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-hamas-secretly-built-mini-army-fight-israel-2023-10-13/

 

 

[Morch]

24 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Yellowtail, BKK Brian, morch

 

There is only us here, you can drop the emoji support for each other and the negative ones you put on my posts.

 

 You’re just making yourselves look like biased idiots.

 

As opposed to people commenting on emojis......

[Morch]

23 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

let’s not forget that Hamas is a terrorist organisation.

 

And let’s remember that the Gazan citizens are mostly innocent civilians.

 

Somebody has to start with an approach that stops the violence, clearly it’s not going to be Hamas, who else can it be, but Israel?

 

Let's not forget that Hamas is also a major political party, a social welfare network and other stuff. Or maybe that wasn't on AJ?

There you go again about how Israel should care more about Gazans then their own government.....

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

There’s only one way to defeat Hamas and that is to turn the Palestinian people against them. Israel is playing into their hands. Let’s be a realistic, Hamas is not going to stop on their own.

 

 

 

   Israel's intention is to wipe hamas out, kill them all .

Haven't you been watching the news ?

[Morch]

25 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

If the cap fits…

 

You will notice I am not posting any stupid emojis on your posts.

 

I don't think many people take them as seriously as you do.

[JBChiangRai]

Just now, Morch said:

 

What about the Hamas government. Don't see you complaining that much about that. After all, they didn't do anything to protect their civilians, called on them to remain and face deadly attack, tried to block them from evacuating, launch rockets from residential areas and whatnot. Somehow, in your odd world, they are apparently less responsible for the welfare and well being of Palestinian civilians. Go figure....

 

How about the Palestinians trying to win the hearts and minds of Israelis? Do you seriously expect Israelis to embrace Palestinians after 7/10? How realistic is that? Don't think it's human nature to forgive and forget, call bygones that quick. For some reason you seem to hold Israel to unrealistic standards.

 

I'm acquainted with both editions of AJ, my comments stand.

 

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I have already made my opinions on Hamas clear, I’ll repeat them again for you, I condemn them as terrorist and their actions as appalling.

 

And yes, I do expect Israel to take some action that can lead to a future peace, it’s very clear, it’s not going to come from Hamas.

 

I do hold Israel to high standards, they were given Palestine by my country and they need to respond a little bit better than they are doing now.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

As opposed to people commenting on emojis......

 

Perhaps you feel putting emoji’s on each other’s posts somehow replaces bias and discrimination with credibility.

 

Time for me to sign off tonight.

[JBChiangRai]

4 minutes ago, Morch said:

There you go again about how Israel should care more about Gazans then their own government.....

More lies, I never said that.

[Morch]

9 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

There’s only one way to defeat Hamas and that is to turn the Palestinian people against them. Israel is playing into their hands. Let’s be a realistic, Hamas is not going to stop on their own.

 

You are cherry picking Brian. Wikipedia says 15-40k, let’s say something in the middle, 27,500

 

 

Not a lot, see my reply in this post about defeating Hamas.

 

 

If you think that there's something Israel can realistically do to get Palestinians to shift their support (to whom?) within a reasonable time frame, you're deluded. I think that, by now, it is up to the Palestinian people to realize that something is wrong with Hamas's paradigm.

 

There's this tendency, more so among Western 'pro-Palestinian' supporters to treat the Palestinians as if they are passive, clueless children who require everything handed to then. I do not agree with this condescending point of view. People who aspire for independence, sovereignty and so on should be able to take charge of their affairs.

[Thorgal]

35 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Yellowtail, BKK Brian, morch

 

There is only us here, you can drop the emoji support for each other and the negative ones you put on my posts.

 

 You’re just making yourselves look like biased idiots.

 

Sounds familiar this scam.