Popular Post Social Media Posted October 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2023 The pope has accepted the resignation of a Polish bishop whose diocese has been rocked by reports of a gay orgy involving a male sex worker in a priest’s apartment, as well as previous violent incidents involving his clergy. The Vatican did not give a reason why Grzegorz Kaszak was resigning as head of the diocese of Sosnowiec, in south-western Poland. At 59, he is several years shy of the normal retirement age of 75. But his diocese has been in the spotlight after one of his priests was placed under criminal investigation for having allegedly organised an orgy at his apartment in Dąbrowa Górnicza involving a male sex worker. Polish media reported that one of the participants of the sex party collapsed after overdosing on erectile dysfunction pills. A prosecutor said the priest was suspected of “failing to provide assistance to a person whose life is at risk” for having allegedly tried to bar paramedics from entering the apartment. It was not the first incident involving clergy from the diocese to make headlines. In 2010, the then acting rector of the Sosnowiec seminary allegedly got into a scuffle at a gay club, but was allowed to remain in his job for more than a year even after the case was publicised by Polish media. The Holy See finally intervened and dissolved the seminary altogether, according to the PAP news agency. In March 2023, the corpse of a 26-year-old deacon was found with injuries suggesting homicide. Local prosecutors said he had been killed by a 40-year-old priest who then killed himself. FULL STORY 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Denim Posted October 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2023 What does a Catholic priest and a silver medalist have in common? They both came in a little behind. 1 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted October 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2023 I look at this incident as a mark of progress. At least, there weren't any children involved. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom H Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 pope accepts resignation… what about prison? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RuamRudy Posted October 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Tom H said: pope accepts resignation… what about prison? I don't think that the Pope has the power to sentence Polish people for offences alleged to have been committed in Poland. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted October 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Tom H said: pope accepts resignation… what about prison? For gay sex? It's Poland, not Palestine. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 13 hours ago, JonnyF said: For gay sex? It's Poland, not Palestine. From the article above: "A prosecutor said the priest was suspected of “failing to provide assistance to a person whose life is at risk” for having allegedly tried to bar paramedics from entering the apartment." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom H Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 17 hours ago, RuamRudy said: I don't think that the Pope has the power to sentence Polish people for offences alleged to have been committed in Poland. Vatikan law valid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 5 hours ago, RuamRudy said: From the article above: "A prosecutor said the priest was suspected of “failing to provide assistance to a person whose life is at risk” for having allegedly tried to bar paramedics from entering the apartment." Suspicions are enough to lock people up now? Good to know... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 24 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Suspicions are enough to lock people up now? Good to know... Actually they always have been. Pre-atrial incarceration is a thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Actually they always have been. Pre-atrial incarceration is a thing. Without being charged? Fascinating... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Without being charged? Fascinating... You perhaps assume English Common Law is universal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: You perhaps assume English Common Law is universal. So you support prison for people who haven't even been charged? Not very 'liberal'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted October 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, JonnyF said: So you support prison for people who haven't even been charged? Not very 'liberal'. Where did I even suggest I supported such a thing? I did not. Go easy on the coffee. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted October 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2023 18 minutes ago, JonnyF said: So you support prison for people who haven't even been charged? Not very 'liberal'. Please. You started out by asking this: "For gay sex? It's Poland, not Palestine." Then when your misunderstanding was exposed, you pivoted to the issue of due process. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 10 minutes ago, placeholder said: Please. You started out by asking this: "For gay sex? It's Poland, not Palestine." Then when your misunderstanding was exposed, you pivoted to the issue of due process. Not at all. I was highlighting that calling for prison for someone who hasn't been charged with a crime is not appropriate. Whether the "crime" is the gay sex or failing to provide assistance is not the point. He has not been charged. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Just now, JonnyF said: Not at all. I was highlighting that calling for prison for someone who hasn't been charged with a crime is not appropriate. Whether the "crime" is the gay sex or failing to provide assistance is not the point. He has not been charged. What in your quote backs up that statement? You did not mention anything about due process. Rather you pointed out that the homosexual acts took place in Poland not Palestine. In other words, that gay sex is not a crime in Poland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted October 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2023 26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Where did I even suggest I supported such a thing? I did not. Go easy on the coffee. You might want to check the post I was replying to before you butted into the conversation. The poster was calling for prison. I said he hadn't been charged with a crime. You butted in "Ah but you can lock people up people prior to trial". What trial? He hasn't been charged. Calling for prison is not appropriate. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Just now, placeholder said: What in your quote backs up that statement? You did not mention anything about due process. Rather you pointed out that the homosexual acts took place in Poland not Palestine. In other words, that gay sex is not a crime in Poland. He hasn't been charged. So why put him in prison? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Just now, JonnyF said: He hasn't been charged. So why put him in prison? Utterly irrelevant to your first quote pointing out that gay sex is not a crime in Poland. It had nothing to do with the issue of due process. Only when your misunderstanding was pointed out, did you pivot to that issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 1 minute ago, placeholder said: Utterly irrelevant to your first quote pointing out that gay sex is not a crime in Poland. It had nothing to do with the issue of due process. Only when your misunderstanding was pointed out, did you pivot to that issue. Nonsense. He had gay sex, not a crime. He hasn't been charged with any other offense. So tell me, why should he go to prison? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 1 minute ago, JonnyF said: Nonsense. He had gay sex, not a crime. He hasn't been charged with any other offense. So tell me, why should he go to prison? No contributor to this post except you suffered from the mistaken belief that this had anything to do with the fact that the priest was engaged in gay sex or any kind of sex. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, JonnyF said: You might want to check the post I was replying to before you butted into the conversation. The poster was calling for prison. I said he hadn't been charged with a crime. You butted in "Ah but you can lock people up people prior to trial". What trial? He hasn't been charged. Calling for prison is not appropriate. When responding to my posts you might want to try sticking to what I actually said and not attribute your own fabricated statements to me: "Ah but you can lock people up people prior to trial". 58 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Actually they always have been. Pre-trial incarceration is a thing. The above statement is not even close to ‘calling for prison’. 46 minutes ago, JonnyF said: So you support prison for people who haven't even been charged? Not very 'liberal'. Quite a bizarre conclusion with absolutely no justification. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, placeholder said: No contributor to this post except you suffered from the mistaken belief that this had anything to do with the fact that the priest was engaged in gay sex or any kind of sex. So why lock him up? He hasn't been charged. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted October 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: When responding to my posts you might want to try sticking to what I actually said and not attribute your own fabricated statements to me: "Ah but you can lock people up people prior to trial". The above statement is not even close to ‘calling for prison’. Quite a bizarre conclusion with absolutely no justification. So actually you agree that there is no reason for him to go to prison? In which case, why the trolling? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 I wonder to what extent are these clergymen answerable Catholic Ecclesiastical Law. Do you surprise they still perform ‘Trial by Ordeal’? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, JonnyF said: So actually you agree that there is no reason for him to go to prison? In which case, why the trolling? You can’t draw that conclusion from my statements either. I simply corrected your misunderstanding on the matter. I’m sorry doing so caused such offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, JonnyF said: So actually you agree that there is no reason for him to go to prison? In which case, why the trolling? No, I don't agree. There may be a reason, as was pointed out in the article. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: You can’t draw that conclusion from my statements either. I simply corrected your misunderstanding on the matter. I’m sorry doing so caused such offense. There was no misuderstanding from me. No charge. No prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fondue zoo Posted October 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2023 20 hours ago, RuamRudy said: I don't think that the Pope has the power to sentence Polish people for offences alleged to have been committed in Poland. If he can compel demonkind he can do the law thing. it's science 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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