Study provides evidence of Covid-19 mRNA shots rewiring the immune system with unknown long-term effects

[owl sees all]

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

not sure what you mean.

the body begins to break down. 

but the science is over my head, so I won't attempt to debate it. 

A good honest reply STF. Allow me to expand on the previous points.

 

Nature has evolved through billions of years to allow organisms to basically do two things. Survive and reproduce. Humans are right in the mix. The natural state of the body is 'good health'. Assuming the mother is OK (not contaminated with anything), her milk is enough to see baby through for at least a year; maybe longer.

 

The baby - now a toddler - has everything within it, to see it through the various stages of growing until adulthood. What that human needs is simple. It needs nutritious food, clean water, fresh air and love. A good environment is also benificial.

 

There are also things that are best avoided along the way. EMFs and fear for starters. Fear seems to be everywhere for the last few years. My advice; try not to be fearful.

 

The body don't need injections for imaginary pathogens. It don't need medicines for natural body functions that are misinterpreted as undesirables (fevers and rashes 4 eg). It don't need serious medical procedures for something that could be sorted out with a change of diet.

 

Nature has the answers. We must learn from it, rather than try to undo years of natural evolvement.

 

Thanks STF for allowing me to answer in a more comprehensive way.

 

 

[watthong]

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

And it is surely not about providing evidence for the qualifications of dr John CAMPBELL.

Note: Yes he IS a dr, because dr is used as a designation for a person who has obtained a doctorate (commonly a PhD/DPhil).

 

There are Drs and not there are MEDICAL doctors. A nurse engaging in discussion regarding medicine, and presenting himself as a Dr. in said discussions, that's fraud, plain and simple. Try to deflect all you want but when it comes back to the main point, he IS NOT a doctor in the (medical) context that he presents himself in. He can fool some people some of the time, as the saying goes.
Note: This thread is not about "Doctor" Campbell,  fair enough. But this argument simply shows the kind of spin at work here.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

In 2015, the Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine, in its only award for treatments of infectious diseases since six decades prior, honoured the discovery of ivermectin (IVM), a multifaceted drug deployed against some of the world’s most devastating tropical diseases.

Source: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2052297521000883

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-nobel-ivermectin-idUSL1N2QB2XA

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

 

What is true? Lab concoctions; far removed from the real world. Only visible on a computer screen, or in some forecasting programme.

 

Much of what we hear about is simply not true.

I don't have any problem with accepting a good diet, regular exercise and avoiding over-indulgence in recreational drugs such as alcohol is conducive to longevity.

 

I also agree pharmaceuticals are hard on the kidneys and liver, and it is best to limit their use as much as possible via alternative strategies.

 

Having said that, without modern mainstream medicine I would not be 80. I would have carked it about 17 years ago with bladder cancer. And more recently, with other problems. A physio recently told me I was in the top 5% of 80 yo's in terms of physical fitness and BMI.

 

The evidence is modern medicine has extended our average lifespan

significantly since the 1900's, and improved the quality of our lives.

 

The data says red states in the US had significantly more COVID deaths and long-term effects than blue states. It also says seriously ill COVID patients being admitted to an ICU are six times more likely to be unvaccinated.

 

So when people want to panic over a study which is not even peer-reviewed, and put the gloomiest interpretation on the results, excuse me for thinking of them as <deleted> in the head.

 

 

[watthong]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

If you do not understand that the IgG4 switch (from normal 1-2 % to median 21% after your 3rd mRNA shot) impacts ('rewires') your immune system in a non-beneficial way, then this thread is not for you... 

 

Can be equally said that this forum is not for you...I'm sure that's there plenty other places where you can tryst your scientific "knowledge" but this forum or any of its sub forums - including the health and medicine one - are not a theatre for your kind of stuff. In other words, it's useless to 99.9% (and that's being generous) of us here. Sorry for being frank but that needs to be said.
 

[Red Phoenix]

4 minutes ago, watthong said:

 

There are Drs and not there are MEDICAL doctors. A nurse engaging in discussion regarding medicine, and presenting himself as a Dr. in said discussions, that's fraud, plain and simple. Try to deflect all you want but when it comes back to the main point, he IS NOT a doctor in the (medical) context that he presents himself in. He can fool some people some of the time, as the saying goes.
Note: This thread is not about "Doctor" Campbell,  fair enough. But this argument simply shows the kind of spin at work here.

 

This is a non-discussion.

Dr John Campbell NEVER claimed that he is an MD (medical doctor). 

He holds a Ph. D. in nursing from the University of Bolton, and is a dr. (i.e. holding a doctorate).

That you not understand titles denoting qualification, does not make dr Campbell a fraud fooling the people.

[watthong]

2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

This is a non-discussion.

Dr John Campbell NEVER claimed that he is an MD (medical doctor). 

He holds a Ph. D. in nursing from the University of Bolton, and is a dr. (i.e. holding a doctorate).

That you not understand titles denoting qualification, does not make dr Campbell a fraud fooling the people.

 

Yeah, it's hard to engage in a discussion when for all the so-called expertise displayed here, one party refuses to understand the simple concept of the word "context."

"Deep sigh" indeed.

[Lacessit]

8 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

This is a non-discussion.

Dr John Campbell NEVER claimed that he is an MD (medical doctor). 

He holds a Ph. D. in nursing from the University of Bolton, and is a dr. (i.e. holding a doctorate).

That you not understand titles denoting qualification, does not make dr Campbell a fraud fooling the people.

It does when he is espousing ivermectin as a COVID prophylactic.

Tell me, does he actually make any money from nursing?

[watthong]

9 hours ago, watthong said:

Too bad, because you must have missed the one interview where he discussed covid situation in Thailand with the best local authority on the subject he could find: a Khao San type (long hair, full beard, in shorts and flipflop) ESL teacher. Who probably made a pre-nup with the "Dr." so that he could strum his guitar and sing his own composition at the end of the clip. Totally clueless as far as covid was concerned, dude just wanted to get his future top ten (thousandth) hit on line and this was the one outlet that would allow him that.

 

For the most part of the interview, it consisted of the "Dr." asking leading questions and the guest nodding his head, ahah, ahah, and so forth. Yeah, it's under control yeah, what, oh yeah, not many covid cases - though we were in the midst of rolling lock down - and so forth... and doc finally answered his own questions. Yeah, that's the kind of materials you'll get from this so-called doctor. But if that's up your alley, hey, by all means go for it. As they say, "you can fool some people some of the time..."

 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

If you do not understand that the IgG4 switch (from normal 1-2 % to median 21% after your 3rd mRNA shot) impacts ('rewires') your immune system in a non-beneficial way, then this thread is not for you... 

First you have misrepresented ivermectin as winning a Nobel prize.

Now you have represented the 5% IgG4 as "normal 1-2%"

 

You are a serial liar, on ignore now.

[Red Phoenix]

8 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

First you have misrepresented ivermectin as winning a Nobel prize.

Now you have represented the 5% IgG4 as "normal 1-2%"

 

You are a serial liar, on ignore now.

Thank you, I prefer to be ignored by the likes of you.

[connda]

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Ivermectin did not win a Nobel prize, you are posting misinformation.

No. "Dr. Ivermectin" didn't receive a Nobel Prize as "Ivermectin" isn't a human being.
But?
The two researcher who created Ivermectin, Dr.Satoshi Ōmura and Dr. William C. Campbell were awarded the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for the novel application of a bacterium, Streptomyces avermitilis, which was the source of the active ingredient in Ivermectin.  Ivermetin's anthelmintic properties radically lowered the incidence of River Blindness and Lymphatic Filariasis among other parasitic diseases.
This information is in the public domain and is easily found with an internet search.

So you're posting misinformation claiming it is misinformation.  That's just lazy and willfully misleading.

The term "Misinformation" is another term used to shut down discussion on a subject of debate.  Like the use of pejoratives and ad-hominid character attacks, it's the craven's way out of actually debating an issue in the public domain base on the merits of a well-form argument. 

[xylophone]

17 hours ago, Seppius said:

You obviously never watched it

 

Why on earth would I want to waste my time reading misinformation by this fraud.

 

"Dr" John Lorimer Campbell is an English YouTuber and retired nurse educator known for his videos about the COVID-19 pandemic. Initially, the videos received praise, but they later veered into misinformation.[2] He has been criticised for suggesting COVID-19 deaths have been over-counted, repeating false claims about the use of ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment, and providing misleading commentary about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.[3][4][5] As of June 2023, his YouTube channel had 2.8 million subscribers and over 653 million views.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

 

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, xylophone said:

 

Why on earth would I want to waste my time reading misinformation by this fraud.

 

"Dr" John Lorimer Campbell is an English YouTuber and retired nurse educator known for his videos about the COVID-19 pandemic. Initially, the videos received praise, but they later veered into misinformation.[2] He has been criticised for suggesting COVID-19 deaths have been over-counted, repeating false claims about the use of ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment, and providing misleading commentary about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.[3][4][5] As of June 2023, his YouTube channel had 2.8 million subscribers and over 653 million views.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

 

He's just looking to make easy money.

 

There are so many swivel-eyed loons out there hooked on conspiracy theories that you have a ready made audience.

 

Actually....I might give it go myself.

[xylophone]

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

"Guinea pig" is not necessarily a negative thing.

As there are suggestions that mRNA may be used to treat cancer in the future. 

Not sure, but they may have been developing mRNA technology for decades. 

 

 

 

I did post elsewhere a bit of information as regards the timeline on mRNA vaccinations and it was being worked upon in the early 1960s when its potential was beginning to be realised, however the problem was in being able to "encapsulate" it in order for the body to use it efficiently, and this was overcome some years later, hence the reason for it being used now.

 

There follows a bit more information about how it is being researched for use against other diseases.........

 

What's Next? The Future of mRNA Vaccines for “Every Imaginable Infectious Disease”

The mRNA platform created at Penn Medicine ignited a global renaissance in RNA biology research. Scientists in industry and at universities worldwide are finding new and innovative ways to use mRNA technology to prevent and treat disease.

“We're working on every imaginable infectious disease."

Drew Weissman, MD, PhD, Roberts Family Professor in Vaccine Research

 

mRNA Vaccines for Infectious Diseases

Before COVID-19 erupted, a Penn-developed mRNA influenza (flu) vaccine was already in clinical trials. This existing work directly contributed to the speed at which drug makers could produce the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.

 

With fast development and production times, mRNA vaccines are ideal for protection against new infectious diseases and variants of existing ones. Our researchers are at the forefront of mRNA vaccines for numerous infectious disease vaccines.

mRNA Vaccines for Cancer

 

While the mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 and other infectious diseases prevent disease, mRNA technology can also help treat existing diseases like cancer. The platform's flexibility allows researchers to create mRNA cancer vaccines that activate the immune system to attack cancer cells.

 

Much, much more good news on this website….

https://www.pennmedicine.org/mrna

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Will B Good said:

He's just looking to make easy money.

 

There are so many swivel-eyed loons out there hooked on conspiracy theories that you have a ready made audience.

 

Actually....I might give it go myself.

The problem is, with the pandemic over, he's trying to remain relevant and keep getting those clicks. So he jumps on any new study or article to twist and create views of his vids

[xylophone]

5 minutes ago, xylophone said:

 

I did post elsewhere a bit of information as regards the timeline on mRNA vaccinations and it was being worked upon in the early 1960s when its potential was beginning to be realised, however the problem was in being able to "encapsulate" it in order for the body to use it efficiently, and this was overcome some years later, hence the reason for it being used now.

 

There follows a bit more information about how it is being researched for use against other diseases.........

 

What's Next? The Future of mRNA Vaccines for “Every Imaginable Infectious Disease”

The mRNA platform created at Penn Medicine ignited a global renaissance in RNA biology research. Scientists in industry and at universities worldwide are finding new and innovative ways to use mRNA technology to prevent and treat disease.

“We're working on every imaginable infectious disease."

Drew Weissman, MD, PhD, Roberts Family Professor in Vaccine Research

 

mRNA Vaccines for Infectious Diseases

Before COVID-19 erupted, a Penn-developed mRNA influenza (flu) vaccine was already in clinical trials. This existing work directly contributed to the speed at which drug makers could produce the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.

 

With fast development and production times, mRNA vaccines are ideal for protection against new infectious diseases and variants of existing ones. Our researchers are at the forefront of mRNA vaccines for numerous infectious disease vaccines.

mRNA Vaccines for Cancer

 

While the mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 and other infectious diseases prevent disease, mRNA technology can also help treat existing diseases like cancer. The platform's flexibility allows researchers to create mRNA cancer vaccines that activate the immune system to attack cancer cells.

 

Much, much more good news on this website….

https://www.pennmedicine.org/mrna

 

I forgot to add that as the mRNA vaccine has been worked on/in progress for over 50 years, when does it cease to be something which the anti-vax mob call, "an experimental vaccine?".

 

Many other vaccines and drugs have had nowhere near this length of time in study and development. Food for thought, no less. 

 

[Red Phoenix]

24 minutes ago, xylophone said:

 

Why on earth would I want to waste my time reading misinformation by this fraud.

 

"Dr" John Lorimer Campbell is an English YouTuber and retired nurse educator known for his videos about the COVID-19 pandemic. Initially, the videos received praise, but they later veered into misinformation.[2] He has been criticised for suggesting COVID-19 deaths have been over-counted, repeating false claims about the use of ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment, and providing misleading commentary about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.[3][4][5] As of June 2023, his YouTube channel had 2.8 million subscribers and over 653 million views.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

 

 

And why on earth would you want to waste your time writing posts (and wasting our time) with a character assassination of dr John Campbell solely based on a quick look on Wikipedia. 

And guilty as charged: Why on earth would I want to waste my time responding to your drivel...

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

And why on earth would you want to waste your time writing posts (and wasting our time) with a character assassination of dr John Campbell solely based on a quick look on Wikipedia. 

And guilty as charged: Why on earth would I want to waste my time responding to your drivel...

You don't have to respond, that the beauty of it:

 

https://www.factcheck.org/person/john-campbell/

[dhupverg]

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes a nurse and not an approved video source for news

Approved by who?  If censor heavy youtube keeps his videos up, who are you referring to as "not an approved video source for news"?  You?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, dhupverg said:

Approved by who?  If censor heavy youtube keeps his videos up, who are you referring to as "not an approved video source for news"?  You?

No the forum, you joined a year ago and still not read the rules?

 

18. Social media content is acceptable in most forums. However in factual areas such as but not limited to news, current affairs and health topics, social media cannot be used unless it is from a credible news media source or a government agency, and must include a link to the original source. In some circumstances a moderator may relax this rule and this will be determined on a case by case basis. 

[xylophone]

23 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You don't have to respond, that the beauty of it:

 

https://www.factcheck.org/person/john-campbell/

 

Plenty of other references to this quack and his misinformation, there for all to see, even the Luddites on this thread, but they will find ways to not see them/dismiss them/post other nonsense, when it's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the man is after the 3F's (which is likely why he changed his stance); Following, Fame, Fortune.
 

[PremiumLane]

4 hours ago, BE88 said:

 

I think you're joking, after millions of side effects you still believe the bull<deleted> Santa Claus tells you.

 

 

Yet to see any credible evidence for these millions of side effects that online people keep banging on about

[owl sees all]

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Having said that, without modern mainstream medicine I would not be 80. I would have carked it about 17 years ago with bladder cancer. And more recently, with other problems. A physio recently told me I was in the top 5% of 80 yo's in terms of physical fitness and BMI.

 

The evidence is modern medicine has extended our average lifespan

significantly since the 1900's, and improved the quality of our lives.

 

The data says red states in the US had significantly more COVID deaths and long-term effects than blue states. It also says seriously ill COVID patients being admitted to an ICU are six times more likely to be unvaccinated.

I hear what you say L. But could I offer a different way of thinking?

 

First the main line.

 

The WHO, in its 'cancer fact sheet' of 2018, described it thus: It (cancer) arises from the abnormal, purposeless, and uncontrolled division of cells, that then invade and destroy surrounding tissues. Continuing: cancer accounts for 1 in 6 deaths worldwide. And that ratio is gradually changing for the negative. The causes of cancer are described thus: It is a result of a person's cellular interaction with three external agents; physical carcinogens, chemical carcinogens and biological carcinogens.

 

Alternative view.

 

The view that it is the body's inability to deal with toxins that is the cause of cancer. Nothing what-so-ever to do with mystery pathogens. Toxins are all around us. Not just in our food, in much of the water that is consumed, and in the air that we breathe. In our homes, and workplaces. Mostly, our body's maintenance (immune) system can take care of these undesirables in real time. However, if the body is not in as good order as it could be, or the toxin is too great or exposure too frequent, the body will isolate and surround the toxin.

 

The vast majority of medicine centres around the 'idea' (theory) that illness, sickness and disease is caused by pathogens, that are transmitted from one person to another.

 

I contend that this is not the case. Most illness symptoms are the result of the body battling to eliminate toxins. What is often thought of as being a sickness; as in a fever or a skin rash, is the body expressing an undesirable, and should not be suppressed.

 

Which brings us nicely onto antibodies. What is their role, and how to they effect the body?

Edited October 26, 2023 by owl sees all

[Red Phoenix]

34 minutes ago, PremiumLane said:

 

Yet to see any credible evidence for these millions of side effects that online people keep banging on about

How about the post-marketing report that Pfizer provided to the FDA after the EUA approval, which addresses the adverse effects of the vaccine over a 3 month period (1 Dec 2020 to 28 Feb 2021). There was a total of 42,086 case reports (25,379 medically confirmed and 16,707 non-medically confirmed) containing 158,893 events.

The FDA wanted to keep that report confidential for 75 years (!) but due to a Freedom of Information court order they were forced to release it.

In a 9-page small-print Appendix it lists 1.291 adverse effects. 

pfizer-doc-5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, xylophone said:

 

I did post elsewhere a bit of information as regards the timeline on mRNA vaccinations and it was being worked upon in the early 1960s when its potential was beginning to be realised, however the problem was in being able to "encapsulate" it in order for the body to use it efficiently, and this was overcome some years later, hence the reason for it being used now.

 

There follows a bit more information about how it is being researched for use against other diseases.........

 

What's Next? The Future of mRNA Vaccines for “Every Imaginable Infectious Disease”

The mRNA platform created at Penn Medicine ignited a global renaissance in RNA biology research. Scientists in industry and at universities worldwide are finding new and innovative ways to use mRNA technology to prevent and treat disease.

“We're working on every imaginable infectious disease."

Drew Weissman, MD, PhD, Roberts Family Professor in Vaccine Research

 

mRNA Vaccines for Infectious Diseases

Before COVID-19 erupted, a Penn-developed mRNA influenza (flu) vaccine was already in clinical trials. This existing work directly contributed to the speed at which drug makers could produce the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.

 

With fast development and production times, mRNA vaccines are ideal for protection against new infectious diseases and variants of existing ones. Our researchers are at the forefront of mRNA vaccines for numerous infectious disease vaccines.

mRNA Vaccines for Cancer

 

While the mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 and other infectious diseases prevent disease, mRNA technology can also help treat existing diseases like cancer. The platform's flexibility allows researchers to create mRNA cancer vaccines that activate the immune system to attack cancer cells.

 

Much, much more good news on this website….

https://www.pennmedicine.org/mrna

AFAIK the first successful cancer treatment based on immunological vaccination was BCG treatment for bladder cancer. I should know, having had it in 2006. It involves introduction of attenuated live tuberculosis bacteria into the bladder. The success rate of full remission is 90-95%, which is why I am still here.

 

The number of tools medical science has evolved since then is amazing, what with monoclonal antibodies and targeted inhibitors. Chemotherapy has become a fairly blunt tool. I have no doubt anything that gets the immune system to do the fighting is the way to go. In contrast, chemotherapy crushes the immune system,

 

The hysteria and misinformation I am seeing from people who get their information from quacks on social media is quite depressing.

[PremiumLane]

12 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

How about the post-marketing report that Pfizer provided to the FDA after the EUA approval, which addresses the adverse effects of the vaccine over a 3 month period (1 Dec 2020 to 28 Feb 2021). There was a total of 42,086 case reports (25,379 medically confirmed and 16,707 non-medically confirmed) containing 158,893 events.

The FDA wanted to keep that report confidential for 75 years (!) but due to a Freedom of Information court order they were forced to release it.

In a 9-page small-print Appendix it lists 1.291 adverse effects. 

pfizer-doc-5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf 983.55 kB · 0 downloads

 

How about you answer the questions I asked, that is specific to the study you are pushing as evidence? 

 

But they, you want to pivot to this nonsense which has been utterly debunked before. So let's have a look - Nine pages of adverse event reports from Pfizer-BioNTech in relation to its COVID-19 vaccine are not confirmed adverse events to the shot. They “may not have any causal relationship”.

 

The list was compiled using voluntary reports through various national reporting systems, such as the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), the UK’s Yellow Card reporting scheme and the EU’s EudraVigilance database.

 

All you have done here is prove that you don't understand the stuff you post and just parrot dip<deleted> anti-vax talking points. 

[Rimmer]

Some social media clips have been removed also replies  Please see our Community Standards

 

Dr John Campbell is a social media personality but I regret he is not an approved source on the forum.

  From the forum rules:

18. Social media content is acceptable in most forums. However, in factual areas such as but not limited to news, current affairs and health topics, social media cannot be used unless it is from a credible news media source or a government agency, and must include a link to the original source.

 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

I hear what you say L. But could I offer a different way of thinking?

 

First the main line.

 

The WHO, in its 'cancer fact sheet' of 2018, described it thus: It (cancer) arises from the abnormal, purposeless, and uncontrolled division of cells, that then invade and destroy surrounding tissues. Continuing: cancer accounts for 1 in 6 deaths worldwide. And that ratio is gradually changing for the negative. The causes of cancer are described thus: It is a result of a person's cellular interaction with three external agents; physical carcinogens, chemical carcinogens and biological carcinogens.

 

Alternative view.

 

The view that it is the body's inability to deal with toxins that is the cause of cancer. Nothing what-so-ever to do with mystery pathogens. Toxins are all around us. Not just in our food, in much of the water that is consumed, and in the air that we breathe. In our homes, and workplaces. Mostly, our body's maintenance (immune) system can take care of these undesirables in real time. However, if the body is not in as good order as it could be, or the toxin is too great or exposure too frequent, the body will isolate and surround the toxin.

 

The vast majority of medicine centres around the 'idea' (theory) that illness, sickness and disease is caused by pathogens, that are transmitted from one person to another.

 

I contend that this is not the case. Most illness symptoms are the result of the body battling to eliminate toxins. What is often thought of as being a sickness; as in a fever or a skin rash, is the body expressing an undesirable, and should not be suppressed.

 

Which brings us nicely onto antibodies. What is their role, and how to they effect the body?

There is a WHO publication called "Food, Nutrition and Cancer" . It's about 3 inches thick, and comes out as revised edition every couple of years. It discusses every cancer known to man from the viewpoint of statistical analysis of deaths in each category.

 

The evidence is overwhelming. If you smoke, drink, or are obese, you have a much higher probability of dying of cancer. What is remarkable is while alcohol and tobacco are linked to a few very specific cancers, obesity is linked to almost every one of them. The message is quite clear - lose the beer gut.

 

My own hypothesis is that fat is an accumulator of toxins, inhibiting the body's ability to detoxify them. In point of fact, I could kill any drinker on this forum overnight by massive liver failure with several compounds, and it would be virtually undetectable.

 

Anyone who has seen the images from an electron microscope of bacteria and viruses would disagree with your hypothesis. Do you think the millions of dollars spent on Stage 4 biological laboratories is money wasted? Your theory says it is.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Re the OP's cited study from the Netherlands:

COVID in Europe: Vaccine booster campaigns start as cases rise

COVID-19 cases and hospitalisations are rising in Europe. Here’s a look at some of the plans for vaccination across the continent.

 

Updated 10/10/2023

...

It comes as cases are rising in more than half of European countries, according to the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC), with increases in hospitalisations, ICU admissions, and deaths in some countries, though this remains limited.

...

European countries recommend that vulnerable individuals at risk of developing severe COVID-19 get a booster shot, with some governments bringing up their winter vaccination campaigns amid rising cases towards the end of the summer season.

...

The Netherlands has also started re-vaccinating at-risk groups against COVID-19. People who would like to get a vaccine because they live with people who are at risk for more severe forms of the disease may also receive one."

(more)

 

https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/10/03/covid-in-europe-vaccine-booster-campaigns-start-as-cases-rise

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Published Oct 25th 2023

 

The BA.5 bivalent booster's effectiveness: by April 2023, "individuals previously vaccinated only with wild-type vaccines had little protection against Covid-19 hospital admission" restored by the booster (24K cases, 99K controls)

 

Effectiveness of BNT162b2 BA.4/5 bivalent mRNA vaccine against a range of COVID-19 outcomes in a large health system in the USA: a test-negative case–control study

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(23)00306-5/fulltext

Edited October 26, 2023 by Bkk Brian