Study provides evidence of Covid-19 mRNA shots rewiring the immune system with unknown long-term effects

[Denim]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

To satisfy your curiosity > Me and my lady are the only ones in our Isaan village that did NOT take the jabs.  And coincidentally we are also the only ones that didn't catch covid (or didn't notice it if we did).  And to clarify: we are not hermits and attended several meetings (mostly funerals) and did not practice 'safe distancing', nor used face-diapers or any other mitigation measures.  

At this very moment 2 of my lady's triple-jabbed aunts are in the local hospital, as they catched covid again and seem not to be able to recover. 

I am not worried about myself or my lady as we have robust natural immunity (I probably did catch covid, but I never tested as it was just like a mild cold and better next day).  But I am worried about my loved ones that were coerced into taking these '100% safe and effective' shots.  

 

 

Nuff said. 

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, Denim said:

 

Was that you in the blue lycra and red cape I saw fly past last night ?

Nope......that was me trundling past in a wheelchair, still in pajamas ----5555

[connda]

38 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

 

This post leads straight into the question; ''Did anyone catch covid in your village?''

 

Sounds like the villagers who got sick, did so because they were unlucky enough to have a toxic jab.

 

I didn't get the shot and eventually got Covid, so you broad-brush statement is rubbish.

Covid, like the flu, is a reality but it isn't "The Plague" as it was hyped to be.  it's another flu-like illness.  If you're healthy, you'll get over it.

Personally I detest the hyperbole on both side of the extremely pro-Covid-shots and the extremely anti-Covid-shots narratives.
Getting the shot didn't stop anyone I personally know from getting Covid.  Not getting the shot didn't stop me from getting Covid.  Personally I don't think the shots are worth the risk.  Anecdotally I don't see them stopping infection.  Long-term we don't yet know their safety record.  But stating that only those who get to shot got Covid.  That's also ludicrous. 

[watthong]

29 minutes ago, connda said:

I had Covid.  It was a nothing-burger.  After three and a half years of extreme hyperbole and fear-monger, I catch the virus, and had a mild "flu-like" symptoms that were completely gone in 5 days. 

 

"It was a nothing-burger" say you. Some of us do follow world news and learn the devastating effects of Covid19 upon whole cities and towns around the world (ie USA, China, Korea, Italy, etc...) at its onset. Thus  we can only concur where "extreme hyperbole and fear-monger" you quoted  might be coming from.

[connda]

3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

The preprint is just a rendering of the results of the study. 

Obviously it cannot be used 'to guide clinical practice', because at this moment NOBODY really knows what the impact of much-higher-than-normal IgG4 levels may be.

It's a 'Signal' which may be of importance in further long-term research.

[watthong]

16 minutes ago, Denim said:

 

Was that you in the blue lycra and red cape I saw fly past last night ?

 

Oh dear, that's a well known symptom of catching covid. Hurry and get an antigen test ASAP.

[watthong]

25 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

I'd rather face the 'Kracken' than have a 'clot-shot' at the 'jabattoir'.

 

'jabattoir...' - Hmmm, Pardon my rusty French but does that rhyme with

"Voulez vous dansez (le chachacha) avec moi ce soir?"

 

(btw, which country in the Caribbean did you say you're from again? Not the Bahamas, I hope.)

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, owl sees all said:

I think it good that the c-19 saga is not swept under the carpet.

 

There is also the warning to anyone who would take a further jab/booster/shot, that all is not as the authorities would have us believe.

How much of the "covid narrative" was real, and how much was the business of Big Pharma, the FDA, the WHO, the IMF, and other 3 letter agencies? Can they be trusted? Why should they be trusted? Question everything is likely the best policy. 

[Screaming]

I expect in the coming years there will be much more proven scientific evidence that Covid-19 mRNA shots caused long term detrimental effects to the human body. I unfortunately, got caught up in the hysteria and went ahead and had two shots of this poison. Never again.

[owl sees all]

25 minutes ago, connda said:

I didn't get the shot and eventually got Covid, so you broad-brush statement is rubbish.

Covid, like the flu, is a reality but it isn't "The Plague" as it was hyped to be.  it's another flu-like illness.  If you're healthy, you'll get over it.
 

<snip>

 

My 'broad-brush' statement?! Perhaps I soul be more specific. I was saying that it was the jabs that made the people sick.

 

A flu-like illness is not - in my opinion - an illness at all. True it makes one feel sick. Can't be commenting on individual cases, but generally it is the body eliminating rubbish, toxins and maybe parasites from the body. Can be any number of things that trigger the response. I think the number one is a lessening of water vapour in the air. On an individual basis, it could be smoke inhalation or what I've noticed myself; sickness after the mozzie-sprayers have been round the villages.

 

[Red Phoenix]

41 minutes ago, xylophone said:

 

.....is that it might help understand the mechanism that makes triple-jabbed people more prone to covid-infections.

Which turns out not to be case............

 

Are triple-vaccinated people more likely to be infected by the Omicron variant than the unvaccinated?

No. But that is the message television viewers in France apparently got from an interview with Dr. Martin Blachier.

 

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-pseudoscience/are-triple-vaccinated-people-more-likely-be-infected-omicron-variant-unvaccinated

 

You are referring to a December 2021 opinion-piece.

The very large April 2023 Cleveland study, where more than 50.000 thousand Cleveland Clinic employees were followed from Sept 2022 confirmed in its results statement: The risk of COVID-19 also increased with time since the most recent prior COVID-19 episode and with the number of vaccine doses previously received.

 

> The Figure 2 graph shows that with each additional vaccine dose, the risk of catching Covid INCREASED.

Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37274183/

Figure 2 (see below) of that study shows the cumulative incidence of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) for study participants stratified by the number of COVID-19 vaccine doses previously received. Day 0 was 12 September 2022, the date the bivalent vaccine was first offered to employees. Point estimates and 95% confidence intervals are jittered along the x-axis to improve visibility.

[owl sees all]

23 minutes ago, watthong said:

 

'jabattoir...' - Hmmm, Pardon my rusty French but does that rhyme with

"Voulez vous dansez (le chachacha) avec moi ce soir?"

 

(btw, which country in the Caribbean did you say you're from again? Not the Bahamas, I hope.)

Pas ce soir Monsieur.

 

You are correct Watthong; not the Bahamas.

[watthong]

8 minutes ago, Screaming said:

I expect in the coming years there will be much more proven scientific evidence that Covid-19 mRNA shots caused long term detrimental effects to the human body. I unfortunately, got caught up in the hysteria and went ahead and had two shots of this poison. Never again.

 

"I expect in the coming years there will be much more proven..." That's a lot of (un)certainties in one short sentence - however in the meantime, the "poison" you have taken might be the agent that enabled you to maintain the ability to physically type "Never again" today.

 

But if you "got caught up in the hysteria" of one type or another, it's hard to say which is which, ain't it? Especially when it all depends on future unknowns, like the sky is falling down, etc....
 

[connda]

16 minutes ago, watthong said:

 

"It was a nothing-burger" say you. Some of us do follow world news and learn the devastating effects of Covid19 upon whole cities and towns around the world (ie USA, China, Korea, Italy, etc...) at its onset. Thus  we can only concur where "extreme hyperbole and fear-monger" you quoted  might be coming from.

My guess is that you are on the extreme-pro-Covid-vaccination camp as well as "Covid is The Plague."
So if anyone challenges your world-view you get angry, upset, and indignant.  Whatever.

I don't "follow world news." The 'commonly accepted narrative (and the only correct narrative we were told) was shoved down our collective throats for the better part of three years - who needed to 'follow it?"  
Instead I read scientific literature as I've got the background to understand research papers, epidemiological, and statistical analysis.
I understand the virulence of the SARS-Cov-2 virus in 2020. It was nasty stuff.  I also understand the primary populations who were adversely affected. And I understand there were a lot of mistakes my by front-line emergency care doctors and staff who couldn't grasp what was causing low-oxygen reading in people who did have typical respiratory infections. I have friends and family who were front-line medical care in emergency rooms in 2020.  There was a lot of confusion.  And I understand that there was a massive push by governmental agencies to hype the number of "Deaths Attributed Directly To Covid" as well as the media push to promoted it as "The New Plague."
Long-term, that is beginning to unravel as more and more epidemiological studies surface showing the breakdown of those who "Died Of Covid" and who "Died With Covid" and a whole load of other comorbidities and the canard that massive numbers of people 'died of Covid' is coming apart with research results.  And I also understand the current virulence of the now highly mutated, now highly contagious but now no more virulent then 'the flu', which by the way kills a whole bunch of people every year as well.  Very old people; people who are already sick; people who are unhealthy - sort of the same target population who died with Covid's assistance.  And Covid and the flu will continue to kill that same population, year after year after year.   So yeah. right now?  For your average 70+ year old (like myself) who isn't diabetic, over-weight to obese, or has other comorbidities - It Is A Nothing-Burger.

But feel free to stew in your collective fear because "the experts" tell you to be afraid.  To each their own.
And add some pejoratives in your posts.  You'll feel better.

 

[watthong]

15 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Pas ce soir Monsieur.

 

You are correct Watthong; not the Bahamas.

 

Do they provide adequate vaccination to the local populace there? 

Or "thankfully," not?

[watthong]

6 minutes ago, connda said:

So if anyone challenges your world-view you get angry, upset, and indignant. 

 

Pot, kettle, black.

[connda]

31 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

How much of the "covid narrative" was real, and how much was the business of Big Pharma, the FDA, the WHO, the IMF, and other 3 letter agencies? Can they be trusted? Why should they be trusted? Question everything is likely the best policy. 

Some of us analyze spidermike007.  The majority defer to 'the experts' even if 'the experts' have ulterior (profit) motives to sway reality.  Many of these people are intelligent but willfully ignorant.  Too many times I hear that <enter the name of a main-stream media outlet> said <enter the narrative>.  They don't assume the responsibility to verify the veracity of the 'commonly accepted narrative' <because fact-finding agency xyz said it's true or false> or the motives of those who issue their "expert opinions" to endorse that narrative.  Funny that when highly credentialed scientists came up with  contravening data, research, or opinion in 2020 - 2022 they were excoriated by the media and sanctioned by the universities and medical institutions they worked for.  But?  They are now being vindicated and their research is starting to see the light of day in medical journals. 
The hallmark of authoritarianism is the suppression of factual data.  That's what is really concerning.

[Lacessit]

The igG4 compound is an antibody, yes?

The researchers note an increase in this antibody from 5% to 20%. Whether this change is permanent is unknown.

Why is it assumed this spells disaster, when it may actually be a beneficial alteration to the immune system?

It seems any headline with COVID-19 in the title can spark irrational responses from all the usual suspects.

[bbko]

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

 

Let's get back to nature!

 

Nature has all the answers we need.

 

So you never had a Tetanus shot? A Flu shot? Pneumonia shot?

[owl sees all]

28 minutes ago, connda said:

The hallmark of authoritarianism is the suppression of factual data.

As far as human health is concerned, there has been a gradual move way from Nature's truth for well over 100 years.

 

Big Pharma controls 'human health'. And their message is based on a fallacy. Anyone saying so is ridiculed, and labelled a 'nut job'. Then silenced and cancelled. The hope being that they are discredited forever and will not have any audience.

 

But things are changing. People are awake like never before. The authorities are struggling to get any enthusiasm for their latest round of jabs. In the US, the take up of the latest booster is less than 5%**.

 

**Wayne Rohde:

http://thevaccinecourt.substack.com

 

Edited October 25, 2023 by owl sees all

[owl sees all]

8 minutes ago, bbko said:

So you never had a Tetanus shot? A Flu shot? Pneumonia shot?

 

These are lab-created entities. 

[watthong]

43 minutes ago, connda said:

My guess is that you are on the extreme-pro-Covid-vaccination camp as well as "Covid is The Plague."
So if anyone challenges your world-view you get angry, upset, and indignant.  Whatever.

I don't "follow world news."

 

1) Yes Covid is the plague (as in the bubonic plague, etc.) And it happened. But since "I don't "follow world news."= Therefore the devastation that covid the plague has wrought upon various parts of the world (maybe not the area where you live) is not in your purview.  

 

2) "If anyone challenges your world-view you get angry, upset, and indignant.  Whatever" = Your colluding emotions with facts is colluding something subjective with something objective. It's called deflection.

[Red Phoenix]

34 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The igG4 compound is an antibody, yes?

The researchers note an increase in this antibody from 5% to 20%. Whether this change is permanent is unknown.

Why is it assumed this spells disaster, when it may actually be a beneficial alteration to the immune system?

It seems any headline with COVID-19 in the title can spark irrational responses from all the usual suspects.

We do not know whether the shift to igG4 will 'spell disaster', as much is unknown about the complex immune-system the mRNA-vaccines are tampering with.  

But the referenced study below suggests that it is NOT a beneficial alteration...

IgG4 Antibodies Induced by Repeated Vaccination May Generate Immune Tolerance to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein

Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10222767/#:~:text=Increased IgG4 synthesis due to,autoimmune myocarditis in susceptible individuals

[Chris Daley]

Inb4 ''This thread has been removed due to covid misinformation.''

[Mark Nothing]

I have been praying to God for the answer to this puzzle and received an interesting answer that I hope you find helpful.

 

Your soul is directly connected with God. If you request God bless your food, water and body he will take away any illnesses allowing you to flourish (Exodus 23:25).  

 

But if you allow your soul to be tricked by a false idol you will suffer the consequences resulting in illness.

 

People are destroyed for lack of knowledge, and because you have rejected this knowledge God will reject you too.

Hosea 4:6

[Dan O]

14 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

The preprint is just a rendering of the results of the study. 

Obviously it cannot be used 'to guide clinical practice', because at this moment NOBODY really knows what the impact of much-higher-than-normal IgG4 levels may be.

Your review of what this study was isnt completely accurate with what the study was or the results it shows.  It also was not a huge study with only 604 patients. It also was also not specific to Covid MRNA vaccines and showed similar response in other vaccines. You may want to go back and read it again as it's primarily identifying the action on IgG4 in relation to interaction of treatment drugs for Immunosuppression. 

[watthong]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

He's an Accident and Emergency nurse, with 40 years of experience and qualified to teach nursing (that's the PhD part). Which makes him a lot more qualified on healthcare topics than anyone generally tuned in here.

 

 

FYI, At the peak of his medical career he was a nurse, not a physician. As such, one can not call oneself a doctor when discussing medical stuff.  That spells f-r-a-u-d.

 

2 hours ago, impulse said:

I like tuning him in for 2 reasons.  1) Though I don't claim to be an expert on his subject matter, I've never caught him in a lie or a deliberate misdirection.  

 

 

Too bad, because you must have missed the one interview where he discussed covid situation in Thailand with the best local authority on the subject he could find: a Khao San type (long hair, full beard, in shorts and flipflop) ESL teacher. Who probably made a pre-nup with the "Dr." so that he could strum his guitar and sing his own composition at the end of the clip. Totally clueless as far as covid was concerned, dude just wanted to get his future top ten (thousandth) hit on line and this was the one outlet that would allow him that.

 

For the most part of the interview, it consisted of the "Dr." asking leading questions and the guest nodding his head, ahah, ahah, and so forth. Yeah, it's under control yeah, what, oh yeah, not many covid cases - though we were in the midst of rolling lock down - and so forth... and doc finally answered his own questions. Yeah, that's the kind of materials you'll get from this so-called doctor. But if that's up your alley, hey, by all means go for it. As they say, "you can fool some people some of the time..."

[Seppius]

4 hours ago, watthong said:

 

Absolutely a must, if one is fond of watching someone impersonating a doctor without a physician's license/degree.

Are you OK? You seem stressed

[Lacessit]

16 hours ago, owl sees all said:

 

These are lab-created entities. 

So are COVID vaccines, what's your point?

[Red Phoenix]

9 hours ago, watthong said:

 

And you obviously never check his credentials. He is NOT a medical doctor by any means, past present and future.

John CAMPBELL holds a diploma in nursing from the University of London, a BSc in biology from the Open University, an MSc in health science from the University of Lancaster, and a Ph.D. in nursing from the University of Bolton. He received the Ph.D. for his work on developing methods of teaching via digital media such as online videos.