Thai government resists Israeli embassy’s call for hostage release in Gaza

[ChicagoExpat]

28 minutes ago, RobU said:

In no way was I making a Nazi reference merely quoting the published opinions of Israeli government supporters

https://peoplesworld.org/article/netanyahu-allies-push-expulsion-of-gazans-as-final-solution-to-israels-palestinian-problem/

NOT consciously making a Nazi reference?  And when you capitalize it?  You're either an ignoramus or a liar.  Next you'll say that Jews should all go to camps.  You know, just to have fun and stuff.

[ChicagoExpat]

25 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You wasn't quoting anyone , You mentioned an extreme Right Wing Government and also a "final solution" for a group of peoples .

   Are you aware that the Nazis were an extreme right wing  Government and they also had a Final solution for the Jews ?

   You deliberately made the comparison and are now being dishonest and denying it 

Yes, he was aware.

[Danny Australia]

All hostages should be released not only from Gaza but also from the West Bank.

 

Since 7^th October, Israel has detained over 5000 Palestinians including women and children and even elderly women.

 

Those people are effectively hostages detained by unlawful occupying force.

[ChicagoExpat]

1 minute ago, Danny Australia said:

All hostages should be released not only from Gaza but also from the West Bank.

 

Since 7^th October, Israel has detained over 5000 Palestinians including women and children and even elderly women.

 

Those people are effectively hostages detained by unlawful occupying force.

Agree, children should not be held.

 

And I'll give you credit as literally the first person I've seen in any forum, who generally seems to support the Palestinian side, who has called for the release of Hamas' hostages.

[Nick Carter icp]

37 minutes ago, RobU said:

In no way was I making a Nazi reference merely quoting the published opinions of Israeli government supporters

https://peoplesworld.org/article/netanyahu-allies-push-expulsion-of-gazans-as-final-solution-to-israels-palestinian-problem/

 

   Yes, there are some Israelis who feel that moving the Palestinians over the border to the Sinai desert would be a solution to the current Israel/Palestinian dispute .

   That group calls in the final resettlement of the Palestinians , just moving them over the border , you changed that to the "Final solution" , which was Hitlers plan for the Jews .

   

[RobU]

7 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

NOT consciously making a Nazi reference?  And when you capitalize it?  You're either an ignoramus or a liar.  Next you'll say that Jews should all go to camps.  You know, just to have fun and stuff.

I like and respect the Jewish people as a whole. Throughout the world they have contributed to a stable western civilisation. I despise the current government of Israel. Do not confuse dislike and criticism of Israeli politics and politicians with anti semitism. To do so is immoral and deliberate support of a government's extreme policies and murderous intent.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Danny Australia said:

All hostages should be released not only from Gaza but also from the West Bank.

 

Since 7^th October, Israel has detained over 5000 Palestinians including women and children and even elderly women.

 

Those people are effectively hostages detained by unlawful occupying force.

Those people are not hostages.

The River to the Sea brigade has a real problem with definitions of words.

[Jingthing]

56 minutes ago, RobU said:

I like and respect the Jewish people as a whole. Throughout the world they have contributed to a stable western civilisation. I despise the current government of Israel. Do not confuse dislike and criticism of Israeli politics and politicians with anti semitism. To do so is immoral and deliberate support of a government's extreme policies and murderous intent.

Sure absolutely normal criticism of the Israeli government just as any government is legit. But sadly such criticism often bleeds into irrational demonization of Israel and hatred of Jews. For example chanting River to the Sea is not criticism -- it's a call for genocide. 

[Bkk Brian]

57 minutes ago, RobU said:

I like and respect the Jewish people as a whole. Throughout the world they have contributed to a stable western civilisation. I despise the current government of Israel. Do not confuse dislike and criticism of Israeli politics and politicians with anti semitism. To do so is immoral and deliberate support of a government's extreme policies and murderous intent.

Yea of course you do, back tracking on your previous conspiracies now

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Danny Australia said:

All hostages should be released not only from Gaza but also from the West Bank.

 

Since 7^th October, Israel has detained over 5000 Palestinians including women and children and even elderly women.

 

Those people are effectively hostages detained by unlawful occupying force.

Typical Hamas supporter rhetoric

[RobU]

23 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Sure absolutely normal criticism of the Israeli government just as any government is legit. But sadly such criticism often bleeds into irrational demonization of Israel and hatred of Jews. For example chanting River to the Sea is not criticism -- it's a call for genocide. 

 

22 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yea of course you do, back tracking on your previous conspiracies now

At no point have I ever criticised the Jewish faith,.nor have I ever made any anti Semitic comment.  Nor have I expressed any support for the disgusting Hamas terrorist organisation. I strongly believe that the current Israeli government is an extreme right wing  blot on Israeli politics pursuing an expansionist agenda to drive the Palestinian people out of Gaza and any area populated by Palestinians by every means possible including sacrifice of it's own citizens to achieve that objective . Why were the Israeli female soldiers who acted as spotters unarmed and unable to protect themselves? The first military objective of any incursion would be the intelligence gatherers.

Edited January 18 by RobU

[NanLaew]

On 1/17/2024 at 11:04 AM, Gottfrid said:

On 1/17/2024 at 9:59 AM, NanLaew said:

 

Yeah. How about Isaan?

I don´t think that is a country.

 

Oh yes it is. It's like Texas is a "whole 'nother country" as well.

[vinny41]

I became a ‘Hamas supporter’, because I expressed my opposition to targeting innocent civilians

Meir Baruchin

‘It is a time of witch hunts in Israel’: teacher held in solitary confinement for posting concern about Gaza deaths

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/13/it-is-a-time-of-witch-hunts-in-israel-teacher-held-in-solitary-confinement-for-posting-concern-about-gaza-deaths

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

 

Pro genocide brigade at it again trying to hijack yet another thread any silence critics of Israel's atrocities in unlawfully occupied Palestine.

Nah, I have read your post history, I know you very well. There are only one set of hostages and some of those have been horribly raped and abused while still languishing in tunnels in Gaza.

[expat_4_life]

The Thai Foreign Ministry is right to call out the Israeli Embassy on this matter, as the Thais are involved in difficult negotiations to get their own citizens released.

The interests of the Thai government are not aligned with the Israeli Embassy call for the release of all the hostages at this time - the Thais are concerned with their own people.

I understand why the Thai Foreign Ministry is not pleased with the Israeli Embassy. We will see where they stand if/when they get their citizens back - I fully expect them to support a call for the release of the remaining hostages at that time.

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, expat_4_life said:

The Thai Foreign Ministry is right to call out the Israeli Embassy on this matter, as the Thais are involved in difficult negotiations to get their own citizens released.

The interests of the Thai government are not aligned with the Israeli Embassy call for the release of all the hostages at this time - the Thais are concerned with their own people.

I understand why the Thai Foreign Ministry is not pleased with the Israeli Embassy. We will see where they stand if/when they get their citizens back - I fully expect them to support a call for the release of the remaining hostages at that time.

I get all those points but what is Israel supposed to say? We want all hostages released but not the Thais? 

[Enoon]

On 1/17/2024 at 2:19 PM, Jingthing said:

A bunch of vile conspiracy theories. 

 

Sure, the BBC is well known for spreading conspiracy theories:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67958260

 

 

Edited January 18 by Enoon

[CashMoon]

The Thai government gave a course on how to do reverse psychology based on the psychology of people who have nothing to lose. After this statement, there is a high probability that Hamas will leave the hostages alive. If the Thai government had supported Israel's statements and asked for help, Hamas would probably have killed the hostages the next day.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Enoon said:

 

Sure, the BBC is well known for spreading conspiracy theories:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67958260

 

 

I have no idea what point you're trying to make with that.

[Jingthing]

34 minutes ago, CashMoon said:

The Thai government gave a course on how to do reverse psychology based on the psychology of people who have nothing to lose. After this statement, there is a high probability that Hamas will leave the hostages alive. If the Thai government had supported Israel's statements and asked for help, Hamas would probably have killed the hostages the next day.

Welcome to bizarro world. 

[Greenhill]

23 hours ago, Jingthing said:

You're all over the place. Weren't we talking about Gaza? 

Mr Newbee2022 has just shown he knows very little about the M.E., if he thinks that Hebron is anywhere near Gaza.    It just discredits all his stupid points which bear no relation to fact.

[Greenhill]

18 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

 

It is the nature and extent of the response that the world is opposed to, more than 10,000 children have been killed so far, there's no proportionality between what Hamas did and what Israel is currently doing, and to many it seems like Israel's intent is to completely obliterate Gaza from the face of the map. 

The only casualty figures available from Gaza are issued by the terrorist organisation, Hamas!!!!!    It is utterly ridiculous to believe anything they say!    How many terrorists have been killed??   No figures from Hamas, 'cause it's not in their interest to differentiate between terrorists & civilians.   Is there ANY proof that 10,000 children have died????   Maybe, you should wait until the war is over & then maybe some real truths will come out.

[Morch]

On 1/17/2024 at 7:34 PM, newbee2022 said:

That's the question! Who is misinformed? If you want I'm delighted to give you some extra lessons in HISTORY. But I'm happy you started already with Wikipedia. Read it again, I guess it will help.🙏. 

If the Gaza strip would be an Independent Palestine and the Israelis would leave their irregularly occupied land where they built Kibbutze, then there will be peace. If not...... thousands of new Hamas fighters will be born and raised up.🙏

 

What are you on about?

All those settlements that were attacked on 7/10 were in Israel, not in the Gaza Strip.

There are no Israeli settlements within the Gaza Strip since 2005.

The land these settlements are on is Israeli territory. If you wish to call it 'occupied', then your issues are with Israel's existence - and that puts you way out there.

[Morch]

19 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Have you ever tried to get from Gaza into Israel? It is up to a 4-hour wait behind a huge fence with heavily armed soldiers. Many Gazan people who work in Israel spend up to 6 or 8 hours a day going back and forth dealing with the security apparatus. 

 

And was this always so? Or were these measures taken after Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip?

You make it sound as if these measures have no context, no reason. I think you know better.

[Morch]

11 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

That's not quite right. Hamas wouldn't hold any hostages if there would be a free Palestine.🙏

 

Hamas's notion of a 'free Palestine' means that there is no Israel. As in that 'free Palestine' replacing it.

You want to argue about positions, you need to have a clue. You don't.

[Morch]

11 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

I admit I'm not a lawyer but maybe you?

The fact that The Hague is calling it a genocide speaks for itself.

🙏. But I'm not here to convince you or to change your mind. It should be an open discussion without any offensive wording.👍

 

Jumping the gun.

There was a case brought forth by South Africa.

That's where it stands.

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

What are you on about?

All those settlements that were attacked on 7/10 were in Israel, not in the Gaza Strip.

There are no Israeli settlements within the Gaza Strip since 2005.

The land these settlements are on is Israeli territory. If you wish to call it 'occupied', then your issues are with Israel's existence - and that puts you way out there.

That puts him with Hamas 

[spidermike007]

15 hours ago, ChicagoExpat said:

A few facts to hopefully provide a more intelligent conversation:

• Israel has not occupied any part of Gaza since 2005.  There is no occupation.  Israel forcibly evacuated a small kibbutz there, to remove an irritant.
• Gaza borders two nations -- Egypt and Israel.  Any criticism of the controls on Gaza have to include Egypt as well.
• Israel formerly had no controls on entry into Israel from Gaza as recently as around 20 years ago.  This relationship benefitted (nearly) everyone -- thousands of Gazans worked in Israel everyday for good wages, and thousands of Israelis shopped in and visited Gaza.  What changed?
• Arafat decisively rejected a two state solution as he was offered 98% of the West Bank, not 100% (the 2% of which -- rightly or wrongly -- had major Israeli habitation and there was no way that would change).

Well sometimes they're mistake is wearing white in New York City after Labor Day, and sometimes a mistake is invading Russia without any preparations for an oncoming winter.

 

There is no doubt that Arafat made a huge mistake by not accepting that two state solution, it was a historic blunder. 

[spidermike007]

14 hours ago, ChicagoExpat said:

As long as you keep posting lies, I won't "stay away."

As long as you keep justifying mass murder, I'll call you disgusting.

 

Stop posting offensive communication and you won't get it in return.

 

Time to take responsibility for what you post online, jihad lover.

Whoa, talk about jingoism. Jihad lover, that's a new one, I've heard Jew hater, I've heard anti-Semitic, but Jihad lover? Wow. Such intellectual creativity and originality, keep it up. 

 

I get called all kinds of names too as it's really not permissible to be critical of Israeli policy these days. At least without being called a surly and juvenile name. 

[Jingthing]

16 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Whoa, talk about jingoism. Jihad lover, that's a new one, I've heard Jew hater, I've heard anti-Semitic, but Jihad lover? Wow. Such intellectual creativity and originality, keep it up. 

 

I get called all kinds of names too as it's really not permissible to be critical of Israeli policy these days. At least without being called a surly and juvenile name. 

It is more than OK if it's normal criticism.

FYI -- Jew hater and Jew hatred are the more precise ways to describe antisemitism. There is now a movement that I support to stop saying antisemitism and replace it with Jew hater  / Jew hatred.

The reason is that Jew haters are always trying to deflect saying absurd things like:

 

Arabs are semites too, so they can't be antisemites.

The majority of Jews aren't semites and aren't real Jews as they are actually Khazars.

If you don't believe me, check any comment section online when the term antisemitism is used.

Can't be done when saying Jew hatred / Jew hater.

 

Antisemitism, Jew-hatred, Anti-Jewish Bigotry: Say Its Name (jewishjournal.com)

 

In regards to Jihad a common chant in the pro Hamas pro genocide River to the Sea protests is to call for global Jihad. Certainly such people are Jihad lovers though I hadn't heard the term before it's not as silly as you present it. Also commonly chanted is by any means necessary which of course strongly signals support for the barbaric acts of October 7. 

Edited January 18 by Jingthing