America and Iran step closer to the brink of war

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

I think I'm more targeted approach like taking out the Ayatollah and some of the top officials in Iran would be a good place to start. You don't need a war for that. 

 

That's actually a war crime. Think taking out the pope because you don't like catholics.

Edited January 22 by ozimoron

[Morch]

55 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Maybe Trump moving the embassy to East Jerusalem and fostering a military alliance against Iran wasn't the best idea after all?

 

@ozimoron

 

As far as I'm aware, the Embassy is not in East Jerusalem. It's on the 'border' between the city sides, with parts of the land in both. If you think that's the cornerstone of what's happening now, you're clueless, hyper-partisan, or both.

[Morch]

44 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Biden's final card.

 

Start a war in an attempt to win votes. Sacrificing young men for his old ego.

 

Could he sink any lower ?

 

What war?

[Morch]

43 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

NATO war with Russia is a realistic possibility. Russia has already fought Finland and any territorial incursions into Moldova or Poland. Or assisting Serbia to fight Kosovo again could trigger NATO involvement.

 

@ozimoron

 

Yeah...THIS scaremongering.

[Morch]

38 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

That's actually a war crime. Think taking out the pope because you don't like catholics.

 

@ozimoron

 

Last I checked the Pope wasn't running armed militias all over Europe. If he was, I guess the Vatican Guard could have done it's best to protect him. Equating Iran's leadership with the Pope - about as daft as it gets.

[stupidfarang]

2 hours ago, Andrew65 said:

And then you're left with a power-vacuum. Look at Iraq after Saddam was deposed, or Libya after Gadaffi?
 

or America after Trump lol

 

[retarius]

1 hour ago, Andrew65 said:

Iran's similar to Saudi Arabia? The big deal is that Iran is calling for the destruction of Israel, but Saudi isn't. Saddam was an arch-enemy of Israel, so he had to go.

Who cares about Iranian attitudes to the Jews? I don't. Then only people who have violated Iran's sovereignty is Israel with frequent bombing raids. 

[ozimoron]

Funny isn't it that if the Saudis prevail there's money in it for a good number of Americans, particularly Trump and the oil barons. If Iran prevails there's nothing but the only hope for peace is not to threaten Iran.  Precisely why Obama reached a peace treaty and why Trump dumped it, much to the annoyance of the EU. A stable Palestine is key to a stable Israel and a stable Middle East.

Edited January 22 by ozimoron

[ozimoron]

 

[Peterphuket]

3 hours ago, The Old Bull said:

Go home yanks. If there were no US soldiers interfering in Syria and Iraq then they could not be attacked.They are an unwanted pox on the earth.

"The Old Bull", Hup back in your cubicle, and quickly some.

[Morch]

47 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Funny isn't it that if the Saudis prevail there's money in it for a good number of Americans, particularly Trump and the oil barons. If Iran prevails there's nothing but the only hope for peace is not to threaten Iran.  Precisely why Obama reached a peace treaty and why Trump dumped it, much to the annoyance of the EU. A stable Palestine is key to a stable Israel and a stable Middle East.

 

@ozimoron

 

You think no one earns if Iran prevails? Seriously? It would be for the good of mankind or something?

I think your various biases cloud your perception to a degree that you'll normalize pretty much anyone somehow inline with your agendas.

 

Obama did not reach a 'peace treaty'. Iran doesn't really have a stake in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, other then butting in and playing it for it's own regional goals.

 

Painting Iran as some stabilizing force is a choice. Not one reliant of facts, though.

[Peterphuket]

2 hours ago, Purdey said:

Since independence, America has only had about 20 years of peace. Somehow, I am not surprised.

However, I just hope that Europe doesn't support it. 

Europe has is own problems with ukraine, last week there was even a senior general warning of a war and that the population should prepare for it

[The Theory]

No war will happen. 🤔 why ? No dad wants to harm own child. Small reminders if needed to remind them who is the creator. 
50 years of support and closed humans right eyes shows the fact that the whole thing is nothing but a circus. 
People of Iran are the main victims of western politicians however they pretend otherwise. 

[xtrnuno41]

KC and the Sunshine band made new song:

 

Come on lets do it, do it

do it some more

Come on lets do it, do it

lets make another war

[Morch]

21 minutes ago, The Theory said:

No war will happen. 🤔 why ? No dad wants to harm own child. Small reminders if needed to remind them who is the creator. 
50 years of support and closed humans right eyes shows the fact that the whole thing is nothing but a circus. 
People of Iran are the main victims of western politicians however they pretend otherwise. 

 

You ought to change your forum handle to 'The Conspiracy Theory'.

[Tug]

12 hours ago, impulse said:

Yeah.  I miss the mean tweets.

 

Sadly, there's a political belief that voters are reluctant to switch leaders during time of war.  So the timing would fit...

 

Gee I miss the nuclear treaty with Iran they would be very reluctant to being sanctioned again we would have even cheaper gas and a much better reputation as a nation.those mullas in charge over there are on shakey ground right now anyway hopefully the Iranians will take care of it themselves.the thought of Biden wanting a war with Iran is pure rubbish btw we are responding to attacks on shipping and standing with our ally Israel no more no less

[The Theory]

3 hours ago, Morch said:

'The Conspiracy

There is no conspiracy, but the fact is politics is more complicated than what they show people in everyday news.

[Morch]

13 minutes ago, The Theory said:

There is no conspiracy, but the fact is politics is more complicated than what they show people in everyday news.

 

Sure. So 'People of Iran are the main victims of western politicians however they pretend otherwise' is not a conspiracy theory, eh? Nothing about their lot got anything to do with their own leadership? Their own choices? It's all the doing of some nefarious all powerful 'western politicians'? Get a life.

Edited January 22 by Morch

[spidermike007]

10 hours ago, Andrew65 said:

And then you're left with a power-vacuum. Look at Iraq after Saddam was deposed, or Libya after Gadaffi?
 

Well maybe, maybe not. Is a vacuum worse than extremist Imams and insane Ayatollahs with ridiculous amount of oil money supporting terrorist groups throughout the entire region, in an organized manner? 

[spidermike007]

7 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Funny isn't it that if the Saudis prevail there's money in it for a good number of Americans, particularly Trump and the oil barons. If Iran prevails there's nothing but the only hope for peace is not to threaten Iran.  Precisely why Obama reached a peace treaty and why Trump dumped it, much to the annoyance of the EU. A stable Palestine is key to a stable Israel and a stable Middle East.

Trump was not only a terrible negotiator who could not negotiate his way out of a paper bag, but he appointed the worst person possible to lead the negotiations. Jared Kushner might be capable of running a kindergarten but he certainly failed at trying to establish peace in the Middle East. 

[spidermike007]

8 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

That's actually a war crime. Think taking out the pope because you don't like catholics.

War crimes are being committed on a daily basis, why not at least commit war crimes that make sense and accomplish much? 

[spidermike007]

10 hours ago, Presnock said:

yeah all those religious leaders that fled IRAN when the SHah was there, even though towards his leaving in '79, life had changed tremendously for a Muslim state.  Women wore western fashions, teens listened to western music, females were allowed to go to all levels of school including government paid for college and women could become just about anything as far as a career went.  Then, the Muslim Imams in France zoomed back into the country and SLAM BAM maam get out of school cover your head and body all the time.  Same thing for Afghanistan, let an exile be the one the US supported to become the leader - crooked as all get out, even stole a planeload of US cash as he story goes.  He sure didn't unite the different warlords against the rebels.  

Well, it is sure obvious over the past few decades that  the US is very ill equipped to support the support the growth of democracy, in an area that was once highly repressed. 

 

Not a bad aspiration but how do you implement it in a region that doesn't seem to want it, or is incapable of supporting it? 

[The Theory]

26 minutes ago, Morch said:

Get a life.

😮🤨😆 

your type need that word, not me 🤔

Edited January 22 by The Theory

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Trump was not only a terrible negotiator who could not negotiate his way out of a paper bag, but he appointed the worst person possible to lead the negotiations. Jared Kushner might be capable of running a kindergarten but he certainly failed at trying to establish peace in the Middle East. 

 

His administration cranked the dial on U.S. competition with China, assassinated an influential Iranian general, and brokered the Abraham Accords between Israel and a number of Arab states, while also alienating allies in Europe, signing a catastrophic deal with the Taliban, and withdrawing the United States from both the Iran nuclear deal and the Paris climate accords. 

 

The remainder of this section discusses the details of the quid pro quo deals that created the Abraham Accords—and, in many cases, their heavy costs for progressive foreign policy aims.

 

https://tcf.org/content/report/salvage-progressive-policies-abraham-accords/

[ozimoron]

14 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

War crimes are being committed on a daily basis, why not at least commit war crimes that make sense and accomplish much? 

 

What would taking out Ayatollah Khomeini achieve besides ww3? Or was it ww2? Trump said it would be.

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

His administration cranked the dial on U.S. competition with China, assassinated an influential Iranian general, and brokered the Abraham Accords between Israel and a number of Arab states, while also alienating allies in Europe, signing a catastrophic deal with the Taliban, and withdrawing the United States from both the Iran nuclear deal and the Paris climate accords. 

 

The remainder of this section discusses the details of the quid pro quo deals that created the Abraham Accords—and, in many cases, their heavy costs for progressive foreign policy aims.

 

https://tcf.org/content/report/salvage-progressive-policies-abraham-accords/

The withdrawal was an utter disaster and very symptomatic of the horrific foreign policy conducted under the Trump Administration. The abandonment of the translators and the Afghan army was perhaps the most heinous aspect of the whole deal. 

 

The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban that excluded the Afghan government, freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers and set a date certain of May 1, 2021, for the final withdrawal.

And the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban continued to attack Afghan government forces and welcomed al-Qaeda terrorists into the Taliban leadership.

[Hawaiian]

14 hours ago, In Full Agreement said:

 

 

Isn't there always someone waiting in the wings to replace whoever is offed?

 

 

The problem is how many someones are there.  It would have to be an extremely charismatic someone who would have little or no opposition.  Who is this someone?

[Presnock]

15 hours ago, Purdey said:

Since independence, America has only had about 20 years of peace. Somehow, I am not surprised.

However, I just hope that Europe doesn't support it. 

well I am sure Europe supported the US help in WWII or you all would be speaking German only

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15 hours ago, Morch said:

 

@ozimoron

 

As far as I'm aware, the Embassy is not in East Jerusalem. It's on the 'border' between the city sides, with parts of the land in both. If you think that's the cornerstone of what's happening now, you're clueless, hyper-partisan, or both.

Nitpicking much?

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If the Iranians believe that the likelihood of a war waged against them by the US has risen, that would give them more of an incentive to enrich their stocks of uranium to the level where they can be used to create nuclear weapons. As Ukraine has learned, not having nuclear weapons can be a distinct disadvantage when facing a powerful foe.