placeholder Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 18 minutes ago, uttradit said: More than 50% of independents say the economy is getting worse. And 63% say their personal financial situation is getting better. In other words, the thing they have actual personal knowledge of is improving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 4 minutes ago, uttradit said: US debt is much higher now. Good thing none of that happened during the previous administration or you wouldn't have much of a point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, placeholder said: And 63% say their personal financial situation is getting better. In other words, the thing they have actual personal knowledge of is improving. Nice cherry picking. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) 9 minutes ago, uttradit said: Even CNN is correcting Biden on his lies https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/17/politics/biden-economy-facts-first/index.html The article calls Biden in making inoculate claims. "President Joe Biden has made another series of inaccurate claims in an economic speech." He did not lie, he made inaccurate statements much like you, You did not lie above you made an inaccurate statement . Edited February 4 by sirineou 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Just now, placeholder said: Good thing none of that happened during the previous administration or you wouldn't have much of a point. Biden's spending is higher than Trump. Why not just admit the truth instead of posting 100 excuses for Biden? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Just now, uttradit said: Nice cherry picking. What cherry picking? You raised the issue of independents. My point was that most people evaluate what they know best - their own personal financial situation - as positive. That goes for Democrats, Independents, and Republicans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Just now, sirineou said: The article calls Biden in making inoculate claims. "President Joe Biden has made another series of inaccurate claims in an economic speech." He did not lie, he made inaccurate statements much like you, You did not lie above made an inaccurate statement . Politically correct way of saying "lie". Biden is a career liar. Lies about everything from sons to education to economy. Lies non stop. The President is handed fact sheets by his staff. He would be given the facts. Instead he chooses to lie. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Just now, placeholder said: What cherry picking? You raised the issue of independents. My point was that most people evaluate what they know best - their own personal financial situation - as positive. That goes for Democrats, Independents, and Republicans. You cherry pick one thing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 2 minutes ago, uttradit said: Biden's spending is higher than Trump. Why not just admit the truth instead of posting 100 excuses for Biden? What should also be pointed out is that deficits were on a downward trend until Trump took office. His tax cuts reversed that trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Just now, placeholder said: What should also be pointed out is that deficits were on a downward trend until Trump took office. His tax cuts reversed that trend. And the interest on those deficits has mounted. Huge tax cuts in the face of rising interest rates was never going to be a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Biden's approval went from 54% to 59% and now down to 33% over 3 years. That's a disaster. Worst in how many years for sitting president? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 2 minutes ago, uttradit said: You cherry pick one thing. You repeat yourself but offer no rationale for what you claim. When I cited independent voters you claimed I was cherry picking. When I cited Republicans and Democrats as well, you claimed I was cherry picking. Leaves open the question as to what you mean by cherry picking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, placeholder said: What should also be pointed out is that deficits were on a downward trend until Trump took office. His tax cuts reversed that trend. Stop making excuses. 33% approval rating. Most people don't like Biden. They aren't cult members. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Just now, placeholder said: You repeat yourself but offer no rationale for what you claim. When I cited independent voters you claimed I was cherry picking. When I cited Republicans and Democrats as well, you claimed I was cherry picking. Leaves open the question as to what you mean by cherry picking. You cherry pick 1 short term statistic. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Just now, uttradit said: Stop making excuses. 33% approval rating. Most people don't like Biden. They aren't cult members. What has that got to do with the public's attitude about the ecconomy. Surveys show it's on an upward trend. Let's see where Biden is 6 months from now. Lucky for him his most likely opponent is also very unpopular. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, uttradit said: You cherry pick 1 short term statistic. I've offered you 3 surveys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/12/14/assessments-of-joe-biden/ Approval dropped in all 3 groups over 3 years. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, placeholder said: Let's see where Biden is 6 months from now I’m rather interested in where Trump will be in six months time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) 10 minutes ago, uttradit said: Politically correct way of saying "lie". I read the article and not once I saw the word "lie" as you claimed, but... Ok you convinced me. You are a liar, I wanted to be polite and say that your statement was inaccurate . Though I disagree , I applaud your honestly Edited February 4 by sirineou 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: I’m rather interested in where Trump will be in six months time. Where will you be? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) 3 minutes ago, uttradit said: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/12/14/assessments-of-joe-biden/ Approval dropped in all 3 groups over 3 years. Thanks for sharing with us your nostalgia. Edited February 4 by placeholder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, sirineou said: I read the article and mot once I saw the word lie as you claimed, but... Ok you conversed me. You are a liar, I wanted to be polite and say that your statement was inaccurate . Though I disagree , I applaud your honestly Mot once? Well you sold me. Biden doesn't lie. He just gets everything wrong by accident therefore has dementia. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, placeholder said: Thanks for sharing with us your nostalgia. Nice 3 year trend. Only the far left like him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 4 minutes ago, sirineou said: I read the article and not once I saw the word "lie" as you claimed, but... Ok you convinced me. You are a liar, I wanted to be polite and say that your statement was inaccurate . Though I disagree , I applaud your honestly President Joe Biden has made another series of inaccurate claims in an economic speech. In late January, CNN fact-checked Biden’s false and misleading 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 3 minutes ago, uttradit said: Nice 3 year trend. Only the far left like him. Trump isn't doing much better: TRUMP https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/ BIDEN https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 9 minutes ago, sirineou said: I read the article and not once I saw the word "lie" as you claimed, but... Ok you convinced me. You are a liar, I wanted to be polite and say that your statement was inaccurate . Though I disagree , I applaud your honestly Here you go. Six lies in one interview 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 18 minutes ago, uttradit said: Biden's spending is higher than Trump. Why not just admit the truth instead of posting 100 excuses for Biden? False equivalence. Where Biden is spending on infrastructure investment and accelerating the growth of green industries, with good well paying jobs resulting. Trump simply handed over a $Trillion in tax breaks to corporations and the hyper wealthy with zero benefit for anyone but ride very same hyper wealthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, placeholder said: Trump isn't doing much better: TRUMP https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/ BIDEN https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/ Trump is doing better than Biden 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 25 minutes ago, uttradit said: "Despite campaigning as a moderate, President Biden has dramatically accelerated federal spending during his time in office. He has now spent more in his first two years than President Trump did during his last two years at the height of the pandemic." https://reason.com/2022/11/29/bidens-spending-spree-is-unprecedented/ Facts about debt: Trump: FY 2020 + FY 2021: 5.7b Biden: FY 2022 + FY 2023: 5,3b https://www.thebalancemoney.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296 https://www.statista.com/statistics/273294/public-debt-of-the-united-states-by-month/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: False equivalence. Where Biden is spending on infrastructure investment and accelerating the growth of green industries, with good well paying jobs resulting. Trump simply handed over a $Trillion in tax breaks to corporations and the hyper wealthy with zero benefit for anyone but ride very same hyper wealthy. Nice excuses. You Biden fans are good at it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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