i quote

spidermike007

here 'there are some pretty harsh people on this forum'

ive been on and off this forum for over a decade and its really gotten worse over the years the quality of responses is reflective of the cynicism in the world today
im better than thou
sneering at a lot of things
sneering at life basically 

maybe this should be a poll but has this forum denigrated into a sh*t show 

i note a lot of names are still present but are not as active of course that could be that they have better things to do with their life
or they just decided that their blood pressure is more stabilized if not  so proactive on here

if anyone has ever had an email from support from an online firm its almost like they never read your complaint
example i cant log in
response; please log in to your account to discuss logging in issues

i feel there are many such responses on this forum among the cynicism

off course there are the posts from say midnight to 2am that are usually good for a laugh as you know a few changs were involved
but overall 

maybe better as a poll than a post?
 

IMHO the site is getting a lot better with it's 'crowd control'.

If you think it's rude here, you ought to try logging into a few of the lesser Thai expat sites.

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

IMHO the site is getting a lot better with it's 'crowd control'.

If you think it's rude here, you ought to try logging into a few of the lesser Thai expat sites.

I get enough insults on this forum so I don't think I'll bother doing that.

It kind of all depends on the topic at hand.

Any thing to do with US politics and i am less and less inclined to post an opinion.

People still find a lot of help if they have sincere questions on other topics.

I have been on here for awhile now and yes,overall things are getting worse.

Times are changing and so are people.

We are getting more and more selfish and dis respectful as a species i think.

Funny that social media seems to make people less social.

 

With the proliferation of all sorts of social media platforms who broke loose all 'accepted' boundaries of modesty and respect,

I'm not surprised that it has also now become a part of this forum, but let me tell you that this forum still have some kind

of order about it while many others uses profenties and  rude language...

Edited February 2, 20242 yr by ezzra

18 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

IMHO the site is getting a lot better with it's 'crowd control'.

If you think it's rude here, you ought to try logging into a few of the lesser Thai expat sites.

never tried other sites 
don't think i want to either
cynicism is different and i dont mean in general about slagging of Thais 
there is a lot less of that previously was say eight years ago
it is more of a generalization about how people respond to each topic
as well as the failure to actually read

 

8 minutes ago, jvs said:

Funny that social media seems to make people less social.

I think in general your not in front of someone so there are a lot of insults that would not come in a face to face scenario
There are many fictional instances in movies where they usually track someone down and find a 15 yr old in their moms basement slagging of all and sundry.

& the bots in charge of company websites 
lets chat 
F*** off is what i usually say to that

I don't think so. What I think is that people who post non-mainstream ideas or 'devil's advocate' positions tend to get criticised for their posts.

I noticed it the other day, when a lady posted that we live in the 21st century now and that the behaviour described in the article was no big deal for their age group....it referred to the arrest of a 20 year old boy who offered porn videos of him and his 13 year old girlfriend for sale on the internet. There were a lot of nasty posts, from presumably grump old men, referring to the lady's comment. 

I often attract negative replies to my stances on the war in Israel and the war in Ukraine where I don't buy into the mainstream narratives. I could easily stop posting and save myself the negative comments, but I don't feel like doing so. Cussedness, I suppose. 

The forum has a wide range of people posting from the highly educated and informed to base low people. A bit like people who were shocked about the Red Wall in UK politics. You only have to visit a pub in the northern half of England to understand how white working class people, former Labour voters, feel about immigration....it was only champagne socialists down in Islington who misunderstood this. 

I have not been on this forum all that long so I can't compare it to how it was before.  That said, I came here for some specific marriage and visa advice and I got some really great, in depth, advice.

 

And the 2 or 3 times I requested other information, I got a lot of responses.  Some great, some not so great...but all were pretty well intended.  And getting just one helpful response is fantastic and should never be taken for granted.  And no-one has entered one of my sincere topics and started an internet mud slinging fight with me.

 

That said, I have been in a couple of internet mud slinging fights on the forum.  But it always happens when I see someone post something really silly (imo) and dare to disagree with it.  It would probably be wiser if I would ignore the occasional silly posts and concentrate on helping people (or getting help from people) where I can.

 

Basically, I find social media (and this forum) good for getting answers and giving answers.  But not so good for general discourse or musing over nuanced topics.  And ignoring the silly people is easier than disagreeing with them.

Edited February 2, 20242 yr by QuantumQuandry

If people respect me, I respect them back. If they don't, I don't.

Ever since the Roman writer Juvenal, the old have been saying the younger generations are going to hell in a hand basket.

I suppose one major change today is social media enabling the flow of information and helpful advice. Unfortunately, it has also facilitated people who should have their feeding instructions tattooed on their foreheads.

38 minutes ago, QuantumQuandry said:

I came here for some specific marriage and visa advice and I got some really great, in depth, advice.

 

This forum has had and continues to have some very helpful and informed people when it comes to those topics.

 

...we also have experts in any and every field of endeavour, every single one them ready to dispense advice for a myriad of scenarios and situations we've never experienced first hand.

 

oh yeah, and the three guys who then post about how stupid all our comments are, that's always fun to watch.

I imagine people spinning around afterwards in their office chairs going nuts like Leatherface at the end of TCM, sputtering spittle at the screen, "how dare they, How Dare They!

 

*hugs*

 

 

 

Edited February 2, 20242 yr by fondue zoo
I felt like it?

Whatever.

 

These forums saved my life. If people were sugarcoating things with their woke positivity, my life in Thailand would probably be a disaster. 

The state of people is getting sad. Folks are hurting:

 

https://www.npr.org/2024/01/31/1228145269/elmo-therapist-asking-how-is-everybody-doing

16 minutes ago, fondue zoo said:

 

This forum has had and continues to have some very helpful and informed people when it comes to those topics.

 

...we also have experts in any and every field of endeavour, every single one them ready to dispense advice for a myriad of scenarios and situations we've never experienced first hand.

agree entirely its why i come here

 

just one thing to pick on though old chap
your using that bloomin Blighty keyboard  spelling again 
in future please refrain from using the U in endeavor 
or colorful language may ensue 
not to mention using myriad at this time in the morning have you been on the sauce already
though the possibilities are endless in these legalized days




 

15 minutes ago, Serenity_Now said:

on the sauce already

 

We are a saucy bunch in here, it's true.

 

2 hours ago, Serenity_Now said:

i quote

spidermike007

here 'there are some pretty harsh people on this forum'

ive been on and off this forum for over a decade and its really gotten worse over the years the quality of responses is reflective of the cynicism in the world today
im better than thou
sneering at a lot of things
sneering at life basically 

maybe this should be a poll but has this forum denigrated into a sh*t show 

i note a lot of names are still present but are not as active of course that could be that they have better things to do with their life
or they just decided that their blood pressure is more stabilized if not  so proactive on here

if anyone has ever had an email from support from an online firm its almost like they never read your complaint
example i cant log in
response; please log in to your account to discuss logging in issues

i feel there are many such responses on this forum among the cynicism

off course there are the posts from say midnight to 2am that are usually good for a laugh as you know a few changs were involved
but overall 

maybe better as a poll than a post?
 

All social media is linked to depression. Maybe if you can't quit put a time limit on it. Like a food restriction. One burger a week. Social media 5pm to 6pm only or whatever suits. If you have a diary and you plan out your days life tends to be better. Also if someone is being nasty that's not your fault. Some woman or business deal went south and they are putting their anger onto anyone in front of them.

1 hour ago, retarius said:

I don't think so. What I think is that people who post non-mainstream ideas or 'devil's advocate' positions tend to get criticised for their posts.

I noticed it the other day, when a lady posted that we live in the 21st century now and that the behaviour described in the article was no big deal for their age group....it referred to the arrest of a 20 year old boy who offered porn videos of him and his 13 year old girlfriend for sale on the internet. There were a lot of nasty posts, from presumably grump old men, referring to the lady's comment. 

I often attract negative replies to my stances on the war in Israel and the war in Ukraine where I don't buy into the mainstream narratives. I could easily stop posting and save myself the negative comments, but I don't feel like doing so. Cussedness, I suppose. 

The forum has a wide range of people posting from the highly educated and informed to base low people. A bit like people who were shocked about the Red Wall in UK politics. You only have to visit a pub in the northern half of England to understand how white working class people, former Labour voters, feel about immigration....it was only champagne socialists down in Islington who misunderstood this. 

Maybe if you stopped insulting older posters you would get less negative responds?

If you are lucky someday you will be old too.

 

2 hours ago, Serenity_Now said:

i quote

spidermike007

here 'there are some pretty harsh people on this forum'

ive been on and off this forum for over a decade and its really gotten worse over the years the quality of responses is reflective of the cynicism in the world today
im better than thou
sneering at a lot of things
sneering at life basically 

maybe this should be a poll but has this forum denigrated into a sh*t show 

i note a lot of names are still present but are not as active of course that could be that they have better things to do with their life
or they just decided that their blood pressure is more stabilized if not  so proactive on here

if anyone has ever had an email from support from an online firm its almost like they never read your complaint
example i cant log in
response; please log in to your account to discuss logging in issues

i feel there are many such responses on this forum among the cynicism

off course there are the posts from say midnight to 2am that are usually good for a laugh as you know a few changs were involved
but overall 

maybe better as a poll than a post?
 

 

Unless much mistaken, on your previous 'life' here you were pretty much what you complain about.....

2 minutes ago, jvs said:

Maybe if you stopped insulting older posters you would get less negative responds?

If you are lucky someday you will be old too.

 

Nothing lucky about being old. Talk to people over 75yo and ask them if they would rather be 76 or 56 or 36? Everyone says 36 or 56. Nobody says 76.

2 hours ago, jvs said:

Any thing to do with US politics and i am less and less inclined to post an opinion.

 

Good point. Otherwise sane members start frothing at the mouth, soiling their knickers, or diapers, and spewing invective. Appears to be a particular form of OCD. 

1 minute ago, Morch said:

Unless much mistaken, on your previous 'life' here you were pretty much what you complain about.

i think you are mistaken but your welcome to your opinion
 

 

5 minutes ago, uttradit said:

Nothing lucky about being old. Talk to people over 75yo and ask them if they would rather be 76 or 56 or 36? Everyone says 36 or 56. Nobody says 76.

i think most people at 70 odd realise they have made a lot of poor life choices about their health
we grow older than we ever did
but we knew very little about health
plus mortality comes into play after 50
and we realise that we have less time left than we have lived
thats just fear of dying
in that i have no fear at 60 plus i think im doing okay 
i recently worked wth a guy in his mid 70's a non drinker
we went out and threw a ton of mulch in an hour
he just had a triple bypass took him a month or  so to bounce back
bad genetics as far as cholesterol was concerned nd a panchance for ice cream
i only think id like to be 36 when i see a beautiful young woman

mortality comes to us all an acceptance of that means less longing 
a longing for such is simply a life of regret

2 hours ago, Serenity_Now said:

maybe this should be a poll but has this forum denigrated into a sh*t show 

 

Seems to have improved from before, I'd say. As an example, our bigots are no longer allowed to use their fave racial slurs. Just as argumentative as ever, though. Still full of trolls. In the old days there were far more posters, so along with the deadweight were a larger number of brighter guys as well, making for better reading and discussion.

Edited February 2, 20242 yr by BigStar

39 minutes ago, jvs said:

Maybe if you stopped insulting older posters you would get less negative responds?

If you are lucky someday you will be old too.

 

I'm old already. I'm not aware that I attack older posters. I certainly attack the stupid, the bigoted and consumers of propaganda, and am not ashamed of that at all. I don't know how you can know what age posters are. I have never supplied such information as my age to AN. 

36 minutes ago, retarius said:

I'm old already. I'm not aware that I attack older posters. I certainly attack the stupid, the bigoted and consumers of propaganda, and am not ashamed of that at all. I don't know how you can know what age posters are. I have never supplied such information as my age to AN. 

I never said you attacked older posters but when you say "grumpy old men" it is a negative .

That is where it starts?

1 hour ago, retarius said:

I'm old already. I'm not aware that I attack older posters. I certainly attack the stupid, the bigoted and consumers of propaganda, and am not ashamed of that at all. I don't know how you can know what age posters are. I have never supplied such information as my age to AN. 

You're clearly over 70 years old!

4 hours ago, Serenity_Now said:

i quote

spidermike007

here 'there are some pretty harsh people on this forum'

ive been on and off this forum for over a decade and its really gotten worse over the years the quality of responses is reflective of the cynicism in the world today
im better than thou
sneering at a lot of things
sneering at life basically 

maybe this should be a poll but has this forum denigrated into a sh*t show 

i note a lot of names are still present but are not as active of course that could be that they have better things to do with their life
or they just decided that their blood pressure is more stabilized if not  so proactive on here

if anyone has ever had an email from support from an online firm its almost like they never read your complaint
example i cant log in
response; please log in to your account to discuss logging in issues

i feel there are many such responses on this forum among the cynicism

off course there are the posts from say midnight to 2am that are usually good for a laugh as you know a few changs were involved
but overall 

maybe better as a poll than a post?
 

This from the person whose post was removed due to unprovoked abuse to every other poster on a thread but himself. 
Time for you to obtain a mirror?

4 hours ago, Serenity_Now said:

i quote

spidermike007

here 'there are some pretty harsh people on this forum'

ive been on and off this forum for over a decade and its really gotten worse over the years the quality of responses is reflective of the cynicism in the world today
im better than thou
sneering at a lot of things
sneering at life basically 

maybe this should be a poll but has this forum denigrated into a sh*t show 

i note a lot of names are still present but are not as active of course that could be that they have better things to do with their life
or they just decided that their blood pressure is more stabilized if not  so proactive on here

if anyone has ever had an email from support from an online firm its almost like they never read your complaint
example i cant log in
response; please log in to your account to discuss logging in issues

i feel there are many such responses on this forum among the cynicism

off course there are the posts from say midnight to 2am that are usually good for a laugh as you know a few changs were involved
but overall 

maybe better as a poll than a post?
 

I think it's hard to see any improvement over the years. Over a decade I  abstained to post anything. The rudeness is still there and some acting still as judges. It's still only right or wrong or white and black. Offenses are usual and gutter language often the standard. Bad wording no problem. Anonymity makes it possible.

However there are still members who like to discuss matters. And often there are news concerning all expats. Therefore I'll try it again.🙏

It is the entitlement that some people feel they have. Everyone is entitled to their opinion irrespective if you agree or disagree. I think psychologists say the attitude comes from low intellectual persons who feel they have to try and be superior to everyone else. Ridiculous but if you think about it there is some truth in it.

What means humans? We are actually apes after all and that's is the reason why many people behave like monkeys in social media. 

3 hours ago, uttradit said:

Nothing lucky about being old. Talk to people over 75yo and ask them if they would rather be 76 or 56 or 36? Everyone says 36 or 56. Nobody says 76.

Currently 82. I would go for 56. Marginally less stupid then than when I was 36. We oldies get treated better here in Thailand than we do in many of our home countries. I have had no abuse on this forum, and even after the accumulated experience of all the years I have lived here I still find the content informative, helpful and, sometimes, good for a laugh.

1 hour ago, NextG said:

This from the person whose post was removed due to unprovoked abuse to every other poster on a thread but himself. 
Time for you to obtain a mirror?

 You may be referring to 

henrik2000 96

His post about a broken laptop my post was removed because i berated that it was going so off topic that OP had no chance of resolve 
I also posted a suggestion for him but as the post was removed by someone who also perhaps had no grasp of IT this information would have been lost.
Fortunately for OP I messaged him resolved the problem and that of another  a double hit.
Not the first time I have done that for someone on this forum.
that was a very protracted cloning job, i think im still owed a coffee from the lady
but she too was getting nowhere fast with the 'help'
Suggestions for a dead laptop that showed no signs of power were getting the OP nowhere
you may call it unprovoked and what you term as abuse is very subjective
The OP was of course grateful and gracious 
.
its best to just let some things go in life
dont sweat the small stuff
try to be nice and helpful
is that not the purpose of this platform

You have a fantastic day Next G, any IT problems feel free to msg me