Jailed Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dead, prison service says

[rattlesnake]

7 hours ago, rabas said:

 

I only reflect on the hopes and fears of lifelong Russian friends, not mine, not bias selected media.

 

You might look at your own motives. A few posters simply run on high octane anti Western fuel, and even Russian propaganda.

 

I don't have "motives" but will occasionally point out the hypocrisy and contradictions of the Western media apparatus and its followers.

 

Again, multiple sources and statistical analyses confirm that the vast majority of Russians support Putin and will very likely give him a landslide victory in the upcoming elections.

It is not up to us Westerners, with our societies failing on every metric, to decide whether it is good or not in the name of our "values".

There is no "colour revolution" there against Putin, as much as our leaders would love to see it happen.

The media will only ever present and spin events according to what suits a political agenda.

 

Added bonus about the "hero" Navalny, this might give you some depth, context and insight:

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/25/navalny-has-the-kremlin-foe-moved-on-from-his-nationalist-past

 

In a 2007 pro-gun rights video, Navalny presents himself as a “certified nationalist” who wants to exterminate “flies and cockroaches” – while bearded Muslim men appear in cutaways.

 

[...]

 

Shortly before releasing the video, Navalny was kicked out of Yabloko, Russia’s oldest liberal democratic party, for his “nationalist views” and participation in the Russian March, an annual rally of thousands of far-right nationalists, monarchists and white supremacists.

 

[...]

 

Some protesters sported closely cropped hair and raised their hands in a Nazi salute.

[candide]

1 hour ago, johng said:

Who fought against Russia in WWII ?

 

I think Ukraine is governed by USA/NATO  seeing as they are paying for everything.

Why does the Azov battalion still exists ?

It's been a long time since WW2 😀

 

So currently not governed by Nazis. So Putin is lying?

[candide]

16 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

I don't have "motives" but will occasionally point out the hypocrisy and contradictions of the Western media apparatus and its followers.

 

Again, multiple sources and statistical analyses confirm that the vast majority of Russians support Putin and will very likely give him a landslide victory in the upcoming elections.

It is not up to us Westerners, with our societies failing on every metric, to decide whether it is good or not in the name of our "values".

There is no "colour revolution" there against Putin, as much as our leaders would love to see it happen.

The media will only ever present and spin events according to what suits a political agenda.

 

Added bonus about the "hero" Navalny, this might give you some depth, context and insight:

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/25/navalny-has-the-kremlin-foe-moved-on-from-his-nationalist-past

 

In a 2007 pro-gun rights video, Navalny presents himself as a “certified nationalist” who wants to exterminate “flies and cockroaches” – while bearded Muslim men appear in cutaways.

 

[...]

 

Shortly before releasing the video, Navalny was kicked out of Yabloko, Russia’s oldest liberal democratic party, for his “nationalist views” and participation in the Russian March, an annual rally of thousands of far-right nationalists, monarchists and white supremacists.

 

[...]

 

Some protesters sported closely cropped hair and raised their hands in a Nazi salute.

Sure! They support Putin. And that's why he regularly jails his political opponents (when he doesn't kill them 😀).

[rattlesnake]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

Sure! They support Putin. And that's why he regularly jails his political opponents (when he doesn't kill them 😀).

 

White nationalist Navalny was jailed because he was a convicted crook.

 

A bit of context:

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1201958/attitude-toward-activity-of-alexei-navalny-by-age-russia/

Most Russians in every age group did not approve of the political activity of Alexei Navalny, the Russian opposition leader, as of February 2022.

[candide]

14 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

White nationalist Navalny was jailed because he was a convicted crook.

 

A bit of context:

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1201958/attitude-toward-activity-of-alexei-navalny-by-age-russia/

Most Russians in every age group did not approve of the political activity of Alexei Navalny, the Russian opposition leader, as of February 2022.

Sure! And the Justice system is independent, and the information from the Media is not controlled by the government! 😀

[rattlesnake]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

Sure! And the Justice system is independent, and the information from the Media is not controlled by the government! 😀

 

Thank God those poor, misguided Russians have us Westerners to fight for their rights and freedoms! It is to laugh, honestly.

[frank83628]

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

NATO expansion brought on by Russia under Putin threatening its neighbors, leading these neighboring countries to lobby very hard to join NATO.

err, donbas and the killing of ethnic Russians? or you dont know that bit because cnn. didn't tell you.

[Wobblybob]

6 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

err, donbas and the killing of ethnic Russians? or you dont know that bit because cnn. didn't tell you.

Kremlin propaganda, educate yourself! 

[rabas]

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

 

White nationalist Navalny was jailed because he was a convicted crook.

 

A bit of context:

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1201958/attitude-toward-activity-of-alexei-navalny-by-age-russia/

Most Russians in every age group did not approve of the political activity of Alexei Navalny, the Russian opposition leader, as of February 2022.

 

A survey about something in Russia? Do you know the source?

 

 

Edited February 23 by rabas

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, frank83628 said:

err, donbas and the killing of ethnic Russians? or you dont know that bit because cnn. didn't tell you.

err, sources?

[rattlesnake]

3 hours ago, rabas said:

 

A survey about something in Russia? Do you know the source?

 

 

 

Statista is a German platform which has a solid reputation in terms of reliability.

[rattlesnake]

On 2/19/2024 at 3:19 AM, charleskerins said:

You support two Fascists   congratulations.

 

Please define fascism.

[rabas]

4 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Statista is a German platform which has a solid reputation in terms of reliability.

 

Again. Do you know the source of the survey data that concluded no one liked Navalny?  Statistica is not showing a source. How was the survey performed?

 

Edited February 24 by rabas

[Wobblybob]

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

err, sources?

TASS 😂😂😂

[rattlesnake]

29 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

Wrong. 

 

Again. Do you know the source of the survey data that concluded no one liked Navalny?

 

 

The most prominent source is the Levada Center, considered a foreign agent by the Russian government and approved by the West and the CFR, so hardly a vector of "Russian propaganda" as I suspect that is what you are hinting at (a couple of references below, including a Wikipedia one, which I believe is a source you like).

 

THE CASE OF ALEXEY NAVALNY
Compared to July 2021, the level of approval of Alexei Navalny’s activities has hardly changed: 14% approve, 60% disapprove, another 14% do not know Alexei Navalny or have not heard of him.

https://www.levada.ru/en/2022/03/16/the-case-of-alexey-navalny/

 

VTsIOM became widely respected for its objectivity and professionalism among academics and journalists in both the Soviet Union and the West. In the 1990s, the agency's polls gained a reputation for being very reliable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levada_Center

[rattlesnake]

30 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

Wrong. 

 

Again. Do you know the source of the survey data that concluded no one liked Navalny?

 

 

Please explain why you believe Statista is not a reliable source.

[rabas]

Just now, rattlesnake said:

 

Please explain why you believe Statista is not a reliable source.

 

Didn't say that. Statistica is asking for a membership before revealing the source. I thought you would know.

Why it matters.  Russian's have lived in fear of speaking their mind for a hundred years. It's worse under window man Putin. A random phone call from nowhere won't get an honest answer. You will only get the official state line. 

 

Russians I've known 20+ years will never talk about Putin politics over the phone if they are calling from inside Russia. You think they would answer a random unknown call and say "Yeah, love Navalny, great guy"? 

 

[charleskerins]

4 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Please define fascism.

"Fascism  is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition" 

[rattlesnake]

8 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

Didn't say that. Statistica is asking for a membership before revealing the source. I thought you would know.

Why it matters.  Russian's have lived in fear of speaking their mind for a hundred years. It's worse under window man Putin. A random phone call from nowhere won't get an honest answer. You will only get the official state line. 

 

Russians I've known 20+ years will never talk about Putin politics over the phone if they are calling from inside Russia. You think they would answer a random unknown call and say "Yeah, love Navalny, great guy"? 

 

 

You are implying the Kremlin taps ordinary Russian citizens' phones in a Stasi-type approach. There is no evidence of that at all and you are going to excessive lengths to defend your point, you are not being reasonable.

 

[metisdead]

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[rattlesnake]

15 minutes ago, charleskerins said:

"Fascism  is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition" 

 

So on what end of the political spectrum would you say Navalny tends to be, based on his numerous far right and xenophobic statements?

 

In videos from 2007, Navalny likened militants in Chechnya to cockroaches and espoused deporting migrants, saying, "We have the right to be Russian in Russia and we will defend that right."
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2AP1BG/

[rabas]

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

So on what end of the political spectrum would you say Navalny tends to be, based on his numerous far right and xenophobic statements?

 

In videos from 2007, Navalny likened militants in Chechnya to cockroaches and espoused deporting migrants, saying, "We have the right to be Russian in Russia and we will defend that right."
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2AP1BG/

 

Why don't you base it on his current activities and not some 20 year old episode?

 

Well near current, seeing Putin just killed him.

 

[charleskerins]

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

 

So on what end of the political spectrum would you say Navalny tends to be, based on his numerous far right and xenophobic statements?

 

In videos from 2007, Navalny likened militants in Chechnya to cockroaches and espoused deporting migrants, saying, "We have the right to be Russian in Russia and we will defend that right."
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2AP1BG/

10 being the North Korean leader                  4 Bill Clinton          2  Bernie Sanders 

Navalny  5

[candide]

6 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

The most prominent source is the Levada Center, considered a foreign agent by the Russian government and approved by the West and the CFR, so hardly a vector of "Russian propaganda" as I suspect that is what you are hinting at (a couple of references below, including a Wikipedia one, which I believe is a source you like).

 

THE CASE OF ALEXEY NAVALNY
Compared to July 2021, the level of approval of Alexei Navalny’s activities has hardly changed: 14% approve, 60% disapprove, another 14% do not know Alexei Navalny or have not heard of him.

https://www.levada.ru/en/2022/03/16/the-case-of-alexey-navalny/

 

VTsIOM became widely respected for its objectivity and professionalism among academics and journalists in both the Soviet Union and the West. In the 1990s, the agency's polls gained a reputation for being very reliable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levada_Center

1. Isn't the information from the media about Navalny controlled by the government?

2. Do people feel secure enough to give their real opinion on Putin or Navalny?

[rattlesnake]

10 hours ago, rabas said:

 

Why don't you base it on his current activities and not some 20 year old episode?

 

Well near current, seeing Putin just killed him.

 

 

You mean turn a blind eye to the fact that he is a radical Russian supremacist, who called Georgians "rodents", non-white immigrants "cockroaches" and Ukrainians by the ethnic slur "khohols", in addition to being a multiple-convicted crook (c.f. previously posted sources), so he can fit into the very narrow window the Western establishment wants to show him through?

 

Allow me to laugh.


 

Edited February 24 by rattlesnake

[rattlesnake]

4 hours ago, candide said:

1. Isn't the information from the media about Navalny controlled by the government?

2. Do people feel secure enough to give their real opinion on Putin or Navalny?

 

The Russian people are not children and don't need Western intervention to "save" them.

[johng]

23 hours ago, heybruce said:

After they learned that Hitler was as bad as Stalin they wisely chose to maintain a low profile until

Is that another way of saying that they sided with Hitler and fought against the Russians ?

[candide]

10 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

The Russian people are not children and don't need Western intervention to "save" them.

Deflection.

There are no fair elections in Russia, and Russian opponents (who are not children) are jailed. The media are controlled by the government, as well as the Justice system.

[rattlesnake]

41 minutes ago, candide said:

Deflection.

There are no fair elections in Russia, and Russian opponents (who are not children) are jailed. The media are controlled by the government, as well as the Justice system.

 

... Says the Western media and political establishment, whose lies and contradictions I have extensively demonstrated in this thread.

[rattlesnake]

44 minutes ago, candide said:

Deflection.

There are no fair elections in Russia, and Russian opponents (who are not children) are jailed. The media are controlled by the government, as well as the Justice system.

 

Navalny was jailed because he was a multiple-convicted crook.


 

Edited February 24 by rattlesnake