thaibeachlovers Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 15 hours ago, billd766 said: How many Palestinians have you actually personally interviewed to reach that conclusion and when? Rhetorical question? I'm guessing, but likely to be less than one. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post retarius Posted February 21 Popular Post Share Posted February 21 I simply do not believe a word the US government says any more. Supporting a Palestinian state? Yes while vetoing a UN humanitarian resolution to have a cease fire. Watch what the US do and believe that. The words they utter have no bias in truth. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 6 minutes ago, retarius said: I simply do not believe a word the US government says any more. Supporting a Palestinian state? Yes while vetoing a UN humanitarian resolution to have a cease fire. Watch what the US do and believe that. The words they utter have no bias in truth. Do you believe what Hamas says? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 9 minutes ago, retarius said: I simply do not believe a word the US government says any more. Supporting a Palestinian state? Yes while vetoing a UN humanitarian resolution to have a cease fire. Watch what the US do and believe that. The words they utter have no bias in truth. Logic says that the USA would like a Palestine state without Hamas being there . Wipe Hamas out and then move on from there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff the Chef Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) The International Court of Justice (ICJ) holds public hearings in the advisory proceedings on the Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem. The International Court of Justice (ICJ), the principal judicial organ of the United Nations, holds public hearings on the request for an advisory opinion on the Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, from 19 to 26 February 2024, at the Peace Palace in The Hague, the seat of the Court. Session held under the presidency of Judge Nawaf Salam, President of the Court. https://webtv.un.org/en/asset/k1g/k1ggyabo49 Edited February 21 by Jeff the Chef 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Netanyahu Has Spent Career Derailing a Palestinian State 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeff the Chef Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 The proverbial is going to hit the fan after China's contribution at the ICJ hearing on the Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem. Written statement of China: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20230725-wri-21-00-en.pdf Video/YouTube from the Guardian News: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwq7jfJfwOI&ab_channel=GuardianNews 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 On 2/19/2024 at 4:29 AM, Social Media said: As Israel grapples with the aftermath of the war, Erm, Gazans are grappling just a tad more🤔 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Conspiracy troll post and reply removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 6 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said: The proverbial is going to hit the fan after China's contribution at the ICJ hearing on the Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem. Written statement of China: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20230725-wri-21-00-en.pdf Video/YouTube from the Guardian News: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwq7jfJfwOI&ab_channel=GuardianNews Must be the first time I've agreed with anything from official China. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff the Chef Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 17 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Must be the first time I've agreed with anything from official China. I spent a lot of time going over both the written and verbal statements and I'm now questioning a lot about China and what us the great unwashed are told by western governments and mass media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 8 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said: The proverbial is going to hit the fan after China's contribution at the ICJ hearing on the Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem. Written statement of China: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20230725-wri-21-00-en.pdf Video/YouTube from the Guardian News: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwq7jfJfwOI&ab_channel=GuardianNews Will it be sighting the example of Tibet to support its case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff the Chef Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 26 minutes ago, placeholder said: Will it be sighting the example of Tibet to support its case? I understand what you mean but that is for another time, and nothing to do with this topic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff the Chef Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Norway's turn yesterday, and they went full Anti-Israel. https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20240209-pre-01-00-en.pdf Full Norwegian transcript, on pages 20 to 32: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20240223-ora-01-00-bi.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 14 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: Norway's turn yesterday, and they went full Anti-Israel. https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20240209-pre-01-00-en.pdf Full Norwegian transcript, on pages 20 to 32: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20240223-ora-01-00-bi.pdf First para in submission by Norway 2. Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territory has continued since 1967. Recent developments give rise to the utmost concern. They include ongoing indiscriminate and disproportionate use of force and other measures in the Gaza Strip, as well as illegal settlements in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem. House evictions, demolitions, forced displacement and settler violence against the Palestinian population are aspects of the Israeli occupation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 38 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: Norway's turn yesterday, and they went full Anti-Israel. https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20240209-pre-01-00-en.pdf Full Norwegian transcript, on pages 20 to 32: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20240223-ora-01-00-bi.pdf Not surprisingly, I different take from Biden and the US U.S. Defends Israel’s Occupation of the West Bank at Top U.N. Court The United States on Wednesday defended Israel’s decades-long occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem, arguing at the U.N.’s highest court that Israel faced “very real security needs.” The defense came a day after the United States issued its third veto against a call for an immediate cease-fire in Gaza at the United Nations Security Council, a vote that drew an angry response from nations and aid groups that have urged a stop to the fighting to help Gaza’s civilians. The latest show of American support for Israel was at the International Court of Justice in The Hague, where Richard C. Visek, the acting legal adviser at the U.S. State Department, urged a 15-judge panel not to call for Israel’s immediate withdrawal from occupied Palestinian territory. https://archive.ph/bnmd2 https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/21/world/middleeast/us-israel-hague-court.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff the Chef Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Not surprisingly, I different take from Biden and the US U.S. Defends Israel’s Occupation of the West Bank at Top U.N. Court The United States on Wednesday defended Israel’s decades-long occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem, arguing at the U.N.’s highest court that Israel faced “very real security needs.” The defense came a day after the United States issued its third veto against a call for an immediate cease-fire in Gaza at the United Nations Security Council, a vote that drew an angry response from nations and aid groups that have urged a stop to the fighting to help Gaza’s civilians. The latest show of American support for Israel was at the International Court of Justice in The Hague, where Richard C. Visek, the acting legal adviser at the U.S. State Department, urged a 15-judge panel not to call for Israel’s immediate withdrawal from occupied Palestinian territory. https://archive.ph/bnmd2 https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/21/world/middleeast/us-israel-hague-court.html Verbatim record in full from page 48 to 57: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20240221-ora-01-0-bi.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 23 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Not surprisingly, I different take from Biden and the US U.S. Defends Israel’s Occupation of the West Bank at Top U.N. Court The United States on Wednesday defended Israel’s decades-long occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem, arguing at the U.N.’s highest court that Israel faced “very real security needs.” The defense came a day after the United States issued its third veto against a call for an immediate cease-fire in Gaza at the United Nations Security Council, a vote that drew an angry response from nations and aid groups that have urged a stop to the fighting to help Gaza’s civilians. The latest show of American support for Israel was at the International Court of Justice in The Hague, where Richard C. Visek, the acting legal adviser at the U.S. State Department, urged a 15-judge panel not to call for Israel’s immediate withdrawal from occupied Palestinian territory. https://archive.ph/bnmd2 https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/21/world/middleeast/us-israel-hague-court.html From your link He said that only the establishment of an independent Palestinian state “living safely and securely alongside” Israel could bring about lasting peace, repeating a longstanding U.S. position, but the prospect of which appears even more elusive amid the war in Gaza. “This conflict cannot be resolved through violence or unilateral actions,” Mr. Visek said. “Negotiations are the path to a lasting peace.” and “One only needs to look at Israel’s vicious wholesale destruction of Gaza today after years of imposing the medieval methods, a siege and blockade, to realize the extent of Israel’s transgression of this principle,” she said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Just now, ozimoron said: From your link He said that only the establishment of an independent Palestinian state “living safely and securely alongside” Israel could bring about lasting peace, repeating a longstanding U.S. position, but the prospect of which appears even more elusive amid the war in Gaza. “This conflict cannot be resolved through violence or unilateral actions,” Mr. Visek said. “Negotiations are the path to a lasting peace.” and “One only needs to look at Israel’s vicious wholesale destruction of Gaza today after years of imposing the medieval methods, a siege and blockade, to realize the extent of Israel’s transgression of this principle,” she said. I read my link. No need to read again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: Verbatim record in full from page 48 to 57: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20240221-ora-01-0-bi.pdf Ensure you read it all then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff the Chef Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Ensure you read it all then. Watched it live, and read the transcript, also the Written statement of the United States of America: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20230725-wri-20-00-en.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 8 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: Watched it live, and read the transcript, also the Written statement of the United States of America: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20230725-wri-20-00-en.pdf Goodie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/24/2024 at 4:47 PM, Jeff the Chef said: Norway's turn yesterday, and they went full Anti-Israel. https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20240209-pre-01-00-en.pdf Full Norwegian transcript, on pages 20 to 32: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20240223-ora-01-00-bi.pdf Excellent to see at least one western nation not bending over for israeli interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Interesting.......... Palestinian prime minister submits government’s resignation, a move that could open door to reforms Palestinian Prime Minister Mohammed Shtayyeh says his government is resigning, in a move that could open the door to U.S.-backed reforms in the Palestinian Authority. President Mahmoud Abbas must still decide whether he accepts Shtayyeh and his government’s resignation, tendered Monday. But the move signals a willingness by the Western-backed Palestinian leadership to accept shake-up that might usher in reforms seen as necessary to revitalize the Palestinian Authority. The U.S. wants a reformed Palestinian Authority to govern Gaza once the war is over. But many obstacles remain to making that vision a reality. https://apnews.com/article/palestinians-abbas-israel-hamas-war-resignation-1c13eb3c2ded20cc14397e71b5b1dea5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff the Chef Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 45 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Interesting.......... Palestinian prime minister submits government’s resignation, a move that could open door to reforms Palestinian Prime Minister Mohammed Shtayyeh says his government is resigning, in a move that could open the door to U.S.-backed reforms in the Palestinian Authority. President Mahmoud Abbas must still decide whether he accepts Shtayyeh and his government’s resignation, tendered Monday. But the move signals a willingness by the Western-backed Palestinian leadership to accept shake-up that might usher in reforms seen as necessary to revitalize the Palestinian Authority. The U.S. wants a reformed Palestinian Authority to govern Gaza once the war is over. But many obstacles remain to making that vision a reality. https://apnews.com/article/palestinians-abbas-israel-hamas-war-resignation-1c13eb3c2ded20cc14397e71b5b1dea5 No reaction from Israel, but that's OK because the U.S. want a reformed P.A. to govern Gaza once the war is over. I think someone needs to ask the Palestinians in Gaza what they want, maybe a free and fair election of all Palestinians in the Occupied Territories including Gaza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: No reaction from Israel, but that's OK because the U.S. want a reformed P.A. to govern Gaza once the war is over. I think someone needs to ask the Palestinians in Gaza what they want, maybe a free and fair election of all Palestinians in the Occupied Territories including Gaza. Patience, no reaction from anyone yet that I've read....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff the Chef Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Today's Public hearing at the I.C.J. Monday 26 February 2024 10 a.m.-10.30 a.m. Türkiye 10.30 a.m.-11 a.m. Zambia 11 a.m.-11.30 a.m. League of Arab States 11.30 a.m.-11.40 a.m. Break 11.40 a.m.-12.10 p.m. Organisation of Islamic Cooperation 12.10 p.m.-12.40 p.m. African Union 3 p.m.-3.30 p.m. Spain 3.30 p.m.-4 p.m. Fiji 4 p.m.-4.30 p.m. Maldives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 16 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said: Today's Public hearing at the I.C.J. Monday 26 February 2024 10 a.m.-10.30 a.m. Türkiye 10.30 a.m.-11 a.m. Zambia 11 a.m.-11.30 a.m. League of Arab States 11.30 a.m.-11.40 a.m. Break 11.40 a.m.-12.10 p.m. Organisation of Islamic Cooperation 12.10 p.m.-12.40 p.m. African Union 3 p.m.-3.30 p.m. Spain 3.30 p.m.-4 p.m. Fiji 4 p.m.-4.30 p.m. Maldives All lining up to contribute, but knowing that it's all pointless as the US will just veto anything that holds israel to account. It's a Claytons court, a court that can't actually make anything happen. Apparently 50 or so nations will be calling for an immediate ceasefire, but because the UN is an IMO useless organisation, one country ( the US ) can give the finger to the rest of the world. Gaza has exposed for all to see what a sham it is. For decades israel has been ignoring UN resolutions because their partner in crime, the US is using the veto. IMO it's time for either the UN to be reformed, or every other nation to start a new one. The between wars version, the League of Nations, was dumped, so no reason to have to keep using a rigged one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff the Chef Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 32 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: All lining up to contribute, but knowing that it's all pointless as the US will just veto anything that holds israel to account. It's a Claytons court, a court that can't actually make anything happen. Apparently 50 or so nations will be calling for an immediate ceasefire, but because the UN is an IMO useless organisation, one country ( the US ) can give the finger to the rest of the world. Gaza has exposed for all to see what a sham it is. For decades israel has been ignoring UN resolutions because their partner in crime, the US is using the veto. IMO it's time for either the UN to be reformed, or every other nation to start a new one. The between wars version, the League of Nations, was dumped, so no reason to have to keep using a rigged one. Whilst I understand your point of view, I think we can only wait and see how the ICJ rules having taken all the evidence/views of the Nation States who came before the Court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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