BayArea Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 7 hours ago, TheFatOne said: As I said, get educated on China and its political system. Throwing around words like authoritarianism or dictatorship is dumb. ‘Moving Backward’: In Xi’s China, Some See an Era of Total Control - The New York Times (nytimes.com) China: Totalitarianism’s Long Shadow | Journal of Democracy How China Is on the Verge of Totalitarianism 2.0 | National Security College (anu.edu.au) Opinion | China isn’t just ‘authoritarian’ any more. It’s scarier. - The Washington Post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 hours ago, TheFatOne said: I'm not sure how much money one can make with infrastructure honestly You're joking surly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatOne Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 minutes ago, BayArea said: ‘Moving Backward’: In Xi’s China, Some See an Era of Total Control - The New York Times (nytimes.com) China: Totalitarianism’s Long Shadow | Journal of Democracy How China Is on the Verge of Totalitarianism 2.0 | National Security College (anu.edu.au) Opinion | China isn’t just ‘authoritarian’ any more. It’s scarier. - The Washington Post Educating oneself doesn't mean reading opinion pieces in US newspaper :D :D 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatOne Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 4 minutes ago, dinsdale said: You're joking surly. No I'm not. For example, it's gonna take the Chinese a very very long time to break-even on their B&R initiative. In the long run no doubt infrastructures make a profit but you gotta be patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETERTHEEATER Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Why is a cross dock required? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayArea Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 21 minutes ago, TheFatOne said: Educating oneself doesn't mean reading opinion pieces in US newspaper 😄 😄 whatever you say boss. I was giving you various sources on the topic. up to you to decipher however you chose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deserted Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 More Chinese will come -that can't be good. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 THe concern is the ever increasing Chinese influence over countries in the region. THe west has made no effort whatsoever to increase there influence - even expats ar moaning that they aren't being treate fairly. It's hard to see what the West has to offer, but in the end the influence of the west is seriously on the wane, and nothing to do with military it's just the wet will have yto get used that they are now the "third world" - in the original sense. - an irrelevence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 4 hours ago, BayArea said: ‘Moving Backward’: In Xi’s China, Some See an Era of Total Control - The New York Times (nytimes.com) China: Totalitarianism’s Long Shadow | Journal of Democracy How China Is on the Verge of Totalitarianism 2.0 | National Security College (anu.edu.au) Opinion | China isn’t just ‘authoritarian’ any more. It’s scarier. - The Washington Post saly you are a "one quote wonder" THe west loves stories of impending doom in China and point to the autocratic nature of the country - there is a lot of ttruth in this but they are barking up the wrong tree - autocratic or not China is in a far better position than the west - with there own idiots like Trump Brexit and the right - it isn't a military problem - before the west knows it China will be the dominant power in most of Asia - the only opposition is India. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
it is what it is Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 will we be able to see it from space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearbox Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, kwilco said: saly you are a "one quote wonder" THe west loves stories of impending doom in China and point to the autocratic nature of the country - there is a lot of ttruth in this but they are barking up the wrong tree - autocratic or not China is in a far better position than the west - with there own idiots like Trump Brexit and the right - it isn't a military problem - before the west knows it China will be the dominant power in most of Asia - the only opposition is India. I can't think of any type of industry where China didn't get stronger in the last 5 years. The actions of the US government paint the real picture - increasing number of "trade probes", sanctions etc. Nothing has worked so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 17 hours ago, dinsdale said: Great news for the CCP that's for sure. I would like to know the % of Chinese workers brought in to do the work and get paid by the Thai taxpayer to Thai workers. Thailand doesn't have the equipment, knowledge or experience to build such a project. TH seems to have a problem building simple roadways without them collapsing, before even used. They/TH, just recently managed to keep their slow A$$ trains from derailing almost monthly, as they did days past, and not that long ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 59 minutes ago, gearbox said: The actions of the US government paint the real picture The US just haven't got a clue. It is a characteristic of US foreign policy that they just don't get the rest of the world..... they never have. They only see it in terms of Amerigo-centricity.... And even when they were the biggest boy on the block they seldom got away with it. Now they haven't got a snowflake's chance in hell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) 2 hours ago, kwilco said: THe concern is the ever increasing Chinese influence over countries in the region. THe west has made no effort whatsoever to increase there influence - even expats ar moaning that they aren't being treate fairly. It's hard to see what the West has to offer, but in the end the influence of the west is seriously on the wane, and nothing to do with military it's just the wet will have yto get used that they are now the "third world" - in the original sense. - an irrelevence. I'm not ... as I'm treated better here, than when I lived in the USA. No nanny state, dictating every aspect of life. Most everything is cheaper. I seem to have more freedom to live the way I want. Not overly regulated, taxed, and immigration is a breeze. Healthcare inexpensive & accessible. Inflation is certainly less, and buying power, especially the last 3 years anyway, has increased, or at least kept up with inflation. THANKS JOE ... On Topic (as always) ... rail service to CH would be great, though don't know if I'll be around to take advantage of it. Will definitely test it out if I am, as that would be way too cool. I dread the airport hassles and thought of flying in the back of the bus anywhere, more than 1-2 hours. Edited April 23 by KhunLA 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePai Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 13 hours ago, rexpotter said: Skip the Italics next time please. Unreadable Strange, perfectly clear to myself and others I’ve asked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 21 hours ago, it is what it is said: will we be able to see it from space? you know that is famously wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 A lot of people on this thread seem to think that the trains are for passenger - the reality is that they are first and foremost goods lines and some have started already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Regardless of China's autocratic methods or even because of them, regardless of economic predictions of doom, this project is only a small part of a much bigger project. Western China has always had a trade problem in that anything produced has had to travel EAST to the sea and then circumnavigate either SEAsia or the Pacific. This means that up until now it has been Eastern China that is the economic power house. The rail routes now being opened in places like Thailand and Laos are opening North South routes and routes to the Andaman sea and Indian Ocean. This is all part of the much larger New International Land-Sea Trade Corridor, facilitating an economic boom in Western China that extends from Thailand Vietnam etc all the way to Russia. ( yes! Russia too is benefitting from this...the presence of Russian tourists is no coincidence) We are looking at increased freedom of movement of people and goods at a time when the west is attempting to restrict the flow. I have driven the route from Map Tha Put to the Chinese border and the development is immense...Next year I hope to go on to Kunming and see what is happening there. The problem with such autocratic governments being involved (including Thailand) is that there is scant regard to environmental issues or the local populations affected by these developments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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