An invalid stance can be demonstrated to be invalid. There is no need for censorship to safeguard "the truth" (the concept of truth thereby being subject to the biased appreciation of whoever is censoring).

14 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Yes, You by the way you stand UP for him!

 

I'm one of the few who appreciate GG's posts.  If you don't like his posts then don't read them.  It's that simple.  Ah, well, perhaps it's just the typical western culture of people sticking their noses in places they don't belong.  That's one of the things I enjoy about Thailand.  They subscribe to a live and let live attitude.  Too many in the west have the attitude that everyone else should "live as I do and be as I am."  And when that's not the case they get irritated and become belligerent.  Which is exactly your response to GG.  He's not your cup of tea so you feel compelled to hound him because he's not your cup of tea.  Whose problem is that?

 

Interestingly, it's the exact same dynamic that operates regarding free speech.  Those who do not think the same are hounded, ridiculed, and censored for thinking differently.  The operative idea is that everyone must think the same; do the same; be the same.  Or else.

 

I'd say you need some time for self reflection and consider some of the ideas you hold.  Perhaps they're not worthy ideas to hold.  Up to you.

7 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

An invalid stance can be demonstrated to be invalid. There is no need for censorship to safeguard "the truth" (the concept of truth thereby being subject to the biased appreciation of whoever is censoring).

 

Censorship is, in a sense, a protective mechanism.  Different ideas can be interpreted as a threat.  And anything seen as a threat will, often, have a response to counter it.  Truth or not truth really doesn't have anything to do with it.  As I see and understand it.

gave it  up as tooo many adverts its basically un readable

14 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

I take it you've decided to forego good advice.  As I said, up to you.

 

Just to save you some trouble.  If you think insulting me is going to produce your desired effect of angering me or getting me off kilter think again.  Fools quit triggering me long, long ago.  <yawn>

And around and around we go.

What a load of crap.

This sort of dialogue is how people lost the power of free speech.

Slip back into your vacuum Mr T

9 minutes ago, sherwood said:

And around and around we go.

What a load of crap.

This sort of dialogue is how people lost the power of free speech.

 

Hey, I've no problem with you expressing your disagreement.  But do explain how my quoted dialogue leads to the loss of free speech.  I omitted the word 'power' for it's impossible to lose the power of free speech.  It's inherent within us.  You couldn't lose it if you tried.  You can, however, deny it.

29 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

gave it  up as tooo many adverts its basically un readable

 

Use Brave browser and you will be ad-free.

And around and around we go, again.

Are we there yet oh vacuess one.

18 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Use Brave browser and you will be ad-free.

I agree that may work but it will not make you, or the rest of us poor suffering soles GG free!

26 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Hey, I've no problem with you expressing your disagreement.  But do explain how my quoted dialogue leads to the loss of free speech.  I omitted the word 'power' for it's impossible to lose the power of free speech.  It's inherent within us.  You couldn't lose it if you tried.  You can, however, deny it.

Or re-type in standard English!

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Stand down....PLEASE!

 

(Just joking.  Carry on...as you please.  Take care, Man!)

 

 

 

 

So if you are not both the same posters why did you reply on his/it's behalf?

 

On 5/10/2024 at 10:20 PM, simon43 said:

 

Note - my comments are not about the moderation of this forum.

 

AseanNow, or Thaivisa as it was originally known, is decades old.  I joined the forum at the start of 2002, more than 22 years ago. Over the years I have seen the original forum grow and develop, then recede and decline and wither until it is just a shadow of it's former self.  Perhaps we should ask why that has happened. 

 

IMHO, there are 2 reasons:

- The growth of social media means that web-based forums are 'old hat'.  Now it's mostly mobile-based apps, and this forum ease-of-use is 'appalling' when one tries to use it on a mobile device. I know - I've tried!

- The number of trolls, sub-intellect and mentally-ill forum members seems to have increased exponentially since the 'good old days'. They take away the enjoyment of this forum.

 

Apart from that, it's wonderful...

Definitely number 1. Social media has drawn folks away from slow online fora like this... it is old hat now and seems to be a field for boomers to vent. Although TV was streets ahead of this current iteration, it is still relevant. Thaiger ain't a big deal and the op is being typically sensationalist, as 'he' does. 

59 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

So if you are not both the same posters why did you reply on his/it's behalf?

 

 

It's a free country....even though....

We might not have Free Speech.....

Yet.

 

 

When do we change to the Taiger?

 

6 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

Or re-type in standard English!

 

You're just here to troll.

On 5/10/2024 at 7:37 PM, GammaGlobulin said:

Sometimes, you just would not believe how nostalgic I become, at times, for things like the TV Forum, as it once was.

I haven't noticed anything different, from the days of TV to AN now Thaiger.

 

Still got the same grumpy bums moaning about the same old things. 

 

 

 

On 5/11/2024 at 10:23 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

While I was a privileged white child, the world I grew up in was better than now. Kids were safe to play away from home all day, crime was minimal compared to today, I wasn't fearful of being beaten up for being white, and when it came time to get a job I had loads to choose from, without needing a barrow load of qualifications. I left school with no qualifications and still had 3 different careers.

We wanted less, and had a better life for it.

No personal computers, no mobile phones, no amplified noise masquerading as music, and best of all no social media, no twit thing or x as it is now, no facethingy, no fast food, no plastic Maccers, cars looked different, even if they needed more maintenance, and we could maintain them ourselves.

We had people in banks instead of a machine, no one was thinking of getting rid of money and forcing people to use a machine.

 

But better than all that, greed didn't rule the world.

Greed has always ruled the world, perhaps it was better disguised long ago, greed is just an exaggerated insurance of existence, a desperate refusal to accept the impermanence of things, including life. Nobody ever wanted less but there was an acceptance of what is by the majority, it took the bravery of a few to organize and rightfully demand more. As for social media, it is a choice, at least it is for those not indoctrinated already, this forum is as close as I get to social media. It is informative, interesting and often amusing.

Life is change, never static, it is only better or worse when judging from a past perspective, in reality it is neither, it just is. Many years ago the walz was declared provocative and immoral while later sending millions to their deaths in the trenches was a patriotic duty. Society is generally self correcting, on the heels of 'woke' will come the backlash, nothing too extreme can last longer than a generation the young will initiate change to the outrage of the old.

In my young past I drove cars from Ford, Vauxhall, Leyland etc. and they were often breaking down, 19 years ago I bought a Honda Jazz, I still drive it, rust free and trouble free, it has never let me down, I don't need to be up to my elbows in grease with cut fingers, I'm grateful for progress. I'm also grateful for computers, at the click on the keyboard I have more access to knowledge than a professor 50 years ago.

Two excellent quotes on debate; debate which becomes impossible without free speech.  Or imposed restrictions.

 

“’If you wish to converse with me,” said Voltaire, “define your terms.” How many a debate would have been deflated into a paragraph if the disputants had dared to define their terms! This is the alpha and omega of logic, the heart and soul of it, that every important term in serious discourse shall be subjected to the strictest scrutiny and definition. It is difficult, and ruthlessly tests the mind; but once done it is half of any task.”

~Will Durant, The Story of Philosophy.

 

“Is there any knowledge in the world which is so certain that no reasonable man could doubt it? This question, which at first sight might not seem difficult, is really one of the most difficult that can be asked. When we have realized the obstacles in the way of a straightforward and confident answer, we shall be well launched on [intellectual inquiry, which] is merely the attempt to answer such […] questions, not carelessly and dogmatically, as we do in ordinary life and even in the sciences, but critically, after exploring all that makes such questions puzzling, and after realizing all the vagueness and confusion that underlie our ordinary ideas.”

~Bertrand Russell, The Problems of Philosophy.

 

Food for thought.