UN General Assembly Backs Palestinian Rights Amidst Rising Tensions

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Here :

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68888299

 

  The emphasis was on accommodation provided for people if they need it , rather than the amount of actual people fleeing 

 

 

Hmm... not quite the same thing:

 

"Earlier this month Israeli media reported that Israel was buying 40,000 tents to prepare for the evacuation of Palestinian civilians from Rafah. On Wednesday Reuters quoted Israeli government sources as saying each tent could hold between 10 and 12 people."

 

PS - thanks for your link!

 

Edited May 11 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

An interesting selection of comments from the UN meeting as reported by the UN:

(comments from the U.S., UK, China, Russia, Pakistan, Israel and others also are posted on the UN link below)

 

President of the General Assembly Dennis Francis:

Middle East on course for ‘full-scale catastrophe’, warns Francis

Mr. Francis said from the podium of the Assembly Hall that the Israel-Palestine crisis was the original crisis before the world body when it was founded in 1946.

 

Peace has remained elusive, and today has become an untenable situation that is deteriorating "at an alarming speed", he told delegates.

 

This is “bringing countless innocent victims into its deadly fold and pushing the region further to the brink of full-scale catastrophe”.

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On behalf of the Arab Group, Mohamed Issa Hamad Mohamed Abushahab, Permanent Representative of the United Arab Emirates to the UN, introduced the draft resolution, saying it recommends that the Security Council reconsider Palestine’s full UN membership application.

 

“Today marks a defining moment,” he said.

The State of Palestine has demonstrated that it deserves full membership in the international community by acceding to international treaties, adhering to the UN Charter and meeting requirements of statehood. In addition, more than 140 countries now recognise Palestine as a State, he said.

 

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French Ambassador Nicolas de Rivière

 

Reiterating his country’s condemnation of the terrorist attacks by Hamas and other groups on 7 October, Ambassador de Rivière stated France’s demand for a ceasefire and release of all hostages.

 

“The offensive that has started in Rafah risks causing numerous victims and displacing people at a time where nowhere can be deemed safe today in Gaza. There is further risk of disrupting delivery of aid,” he said, expressing his country’s opposition to the military operation.

 

“All parties must do everything they can to protect civilians and guarantee access for humanitarian aid. It is high time to mobilise for a political solution,” he added.

 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/05/1149596

 

Edited May 11 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[coolcarer]

So far I have read the UK statement and now this one from the US, both I agree with 100%.. Absolutely they should not get it yet in the middle of the war and with Hamas still holding hostages. 

 

Explanation of Vote Delivered at the UN General Assembly Emergency Special Session on the Palestinian UN Membership Resolution

President Biden has been clear that sustainable peace in the region can be achieved only through a two-state solution, with Israel’s security guaranteed, where Israelis and Palestinians can live side by side with equal measures of freedom and dignity. It remains the U.S. view that unilateral measures at the UN and on the ground will not advance this goal.
This General Assembly resolution was no exception, and so the United States voted “no.”
Our vote does not reflect opposition to Palestinian statehood; we have been very clear that we support it and seek to advance it meaningfully. Instead, it is an acknowledgement that statehood will come only from a process that involves direct negotiations between the parties.
There is no other path that guarantees Israel’s security and future as a democratic Jewish state. There is no other path that guarantees Palestinians can live in peace and with dignity in a state of their own. And there is no other path that leads to regional integration between Israel and all its Arab neighbors, including Saudi Arabia.

https://usun.usmission.gov/explanation-of-vote-delivered-at-the-un-general-assembly-emergency-special-session-on-the-palestinian-un-membership-resolution/

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Well then, those 143 countries can get together and pony up a bit of land for the Palestinians to live on. Or they can pull the coins from under their sofa cushions and pay for Gaza to be rebuilt once Hamas is gone.  It is easy to preen and pose until you actually have to pay the bill. 

Palestinians have land, Gaza is an example.

[Neeranam]

6 hours ago, mfd101 said:

two-state solution will never work because noone can work out where to draw the lines that everyone will agree on.

Nonsense, the lines were drawn as already but Israel keep stealing more land. 

[Neeranam]

6 hours ago, riclag said:

Hey UN what about the hostages!

What is it with these people who support terrorism ! They always side with the hostage taker's.

 

The hostages are a consequence of thousand of prisoners in Israel who didn't even have a trial. Palestinians, obv. 

[mfd101]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

6 hours ago, mfd101 said:

two-state solution will never work because noone can work out where to draw the lines that everyone will agree on.

Nonsense, the lines were drawn as already but Israel keep stealing more land. 

I rest my case.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Neeranam said:

The hostages are a consequence of thousand of prisoners in Israel who didn't even have a trial. Palestinians, obv. 

No the hostages were and are kidnapped innocent women, babies, children and the elderly, taken from their own homes in Israel and taken to the tunnels of Gaza where the women carried on being sexually abused. They were taken with no justification, some of the Palestinian civilians who did the kidnapping sold them to Hamas while in Gaza for their blood money.

[scottiejohn]

15 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Nonsense, the lines were drawn as already but Israel keep stealing more land. 

Only after being repeatedly attacked and did so to protect their original borders which others invaded (to their cost!)!

[Presto]

The goal of the illegal settlements on the West Bank is clear. It's a slow version of stealing land, resulting in ethnic cleansing. Making a two state solution almost impossible.

The disgusting part of those steadily growing illegal settlements is that America is basically ok with it. I don't know, maybe it's the influence of the evangelicals that plays a role here.

One is certain: Biden, in his lifelong career as politician, has never lifted against the steady landgrab, and won't do it now. Despite the babbling about a two state solution.

 

Some more info about America's role in this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/23/crowdfunding-us-residents-fund-settlements-west-bank?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

And about the two state solution and the ever expanding illegal settlements:

https://carnegieendowment.org/sada/2023/03/how-israeli-settlements-impede-the-two-state-solution?lang=en

Edited May 11 by Presto

[Geir Rasch]

9 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   No, its supporting the destruction of a terror organisation , a murderous terror organisation that commits war crimes and atrocities  .

   Are you supporting that terror organisation ?

If Hamas is a terror organization, and I tend to agree on that, then what Israel is doing now i also a terror action. Can’t say Israel is a terror organization, but the PM and his government  certainly are. 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, Geir Rasch said:

If Hamas is a terror organization, and I tend to agree on that, then what Israel is doing now i also a terror action. Can’t say Israel is a terror organization, but the PM and his government  certainly are. 

 

    Its not, Israel's actions are legitimate acts of war . 

Hamas acts were indeed acts if terrorism

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, Presto said:

The goal of the illegal settlements on the West Bank is clear. It's a slow version of stealing land, resulting in ethnic cleansing. Making a two state solution almost impossible.

The disgusting part of those steadily growing illegal settlements is that America is basically ok with it. I don't know, maybe it's the influence of the evangelicals that plays a role here.

One is certain: Biden, in his lifelong career as politician, has never lifted against the steady landgrab, and won't do it now. Despite the babbling about a two state solution.

 

Some more info about America's role in this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/23/crowdfunding-us-residents-fund-settlements-west-bank?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

And about the two state solution and the ever expanding illegal settlements:

https://carnegieendowment.org/sada/2023/03/how-israeli-settlements-impede-the-two-state-solution?lang=en

 

    Israeli settlers in the West bank can become citizens of Palestine, if there's a ever a country called Palestine .

   Same as there's Muslims living in Israel , there can be Jews living in Palestine

[Nick Carter icp]

5 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

Hmm... not quite the same thing:

 

"Earlier this month Israeli media reported that Israel was buying 40,000 tents to prepare for the evacuation of Palestinian civilians from Rafah. On Wednesday Reuters quoted Israeli government sources as saying each tent could hold between 10 and 12 people."

 

PS - thanks for your link!

 

 

   What was the difference ?

I stated that Israel has provided accommodation for 400 000 people if they want to move away from Rafah , 40 000 tents accommodating 10 people each tent = accommodation for 400 000 people .

   Its the same thing 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

The hostages are a consequence of thousand of prisoners in Israel who didn't even have a trial. Palestinians, obv. 

 

   Nonsense, otherwise Hamas will be asking for them to be freed , instead Hamas wants convicted murderers released in exchange for the hostages , those who had a trial and were found to be guilty

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Israeli settlers in the West bank can become citizens of Palestine, if there's a ever a country called Palestine .

   Same as there's Muslims living in Israel , there can be Jews living in Palestine

Yeah, that will work. Just like all the other Jews living in Arab countries. 

 

Oh, wait. Nevermind...

[pelagicpete]

Very little mention here of the events of October 7th and the likely fact that all the hostages have been murdered, following rape and torture.

Apply the facts to your own existence and see how you would react if you were the victims of Hamas insanity. 

Hamas and Houthi and Hezbollah are all financed by Iran.

This is where the focus must lie. There is the problem, that extremists of that colour demand the total annihilation of Israel and the people that live there.

 

[Presto]

2 hours ago, pelagicpete said:

Very little mention here of the events of October 7th and the likely fact that all the hostages have been murdered, following rape and torture.

Apply the facts to your own existence and see how you would react if you were the victims of Hamas insanity. 

Hamas and Houthi and Hezbollah are all financed by Iran.

This is where the focus must lie. There is the problem, that extremists of that colour demand the total annihilation of Israel and the people that live there.

 

Two can play that game. What's your opinion about an Israeli cabinet member calling for the total annihilation of Gaza?

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/2024-04-30/ty-article-opinion/smotrich-must-pay-the-price-for-his-repeated-calls-for-genocide-of-palestinians/0000018f-3084-d0b5-a59f-31c5ca320000

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Presto said:

Two can play that game. What's your opinion about an Israeli cabinet member calling for the total annihilation of Gaza?

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/2024-04-30/ty-article-opinion/smotrich-must-pay-the-price-for-his-repeated-calls-for-genocide-of-palestinians/0000018f-3084-d0b5-a59f-31c5ca320000

Maybe you would like to read what Hamas say, in their own words:

 

Hamas in Its Own Words

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/hamas-its-own-words

[Presto]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Maybe you would like to read what Hamas say, in their own words:

 

Hamas in Its Own Words

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/hamas-its-own-words

I know what Hamas says, over and over again. It didn't prevent Netanyahu from supporting Hamas, with money from Qatar.

Do you have an opinion about the statements of an Israeli cabinet member?

Edited May 12 by Presto

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, Presto said:

I know what Hamas says, over and over again. It didn't prevent Netanyahu from supporting Hamas, with money from Qatar.

Do you have an opinion about the statements of an Israeli cabinet member?

That was quick, so you know that they said they will do this again and again, you know they said they are happy to sacrifice their own citizens blood? 

 

The Israeli cabinet member member who said that is crazy but he is one person in a democracy.

 

As for bringing up Netanyahu who allowed  Qatar to send money for salaries and infrastructure in Gaza. Well talk about victim blaming!

Edited May 12 by Bkk Brian

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Presto said:

I know what Hamas says, over and over again. It didn't prevent Netanyahu from supporting Hamas, with money from Qatar.

Do you have an opinion about the statements of an Israeli cabinet member?

 

   Do you think that Israel should have enforced the blockade more sternly ?

Are you critical of Israel for having a blockade of Gaza and also critical of Israel for allowing items through the blockade ?

   You seem to want the blockade  to end and also the blockade to be enforced sternly .

Do you think that Netanyahu should have stopped the money going into Gaza ?

[Nick Carter icp]

24 minutes ago, Presto said:

Two can play that game. What's your opinion about an Israeli cabinet member calling for the total annihilation of Gaza?

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/2024-04-30/ty-article-opinion/smotrich-must-pay-the-price-for-his-repeated-calls-for-genocide-of-palestinians/0000018f-3084-d0b5-a59f-31c5ca320000

 

   What did he say ?

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[Presto]

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Do you think that Israel should have enforced the blockade more sternly ?

Are you critical of Israel for having a blockade of Gaza and also critical of Israel for allowing items through the blockade ?

   You seem to want the blockade  to end and also the blockade to be enforced sternly .

Do you think that Netanyahu should have stopped the money going into Gaza ?

I think Netanyahu should have worked towards a serious two state solution. But he doesn't want that. Instead he shows a map of Israel from the river to the sea, and pushes for more illegal settlements on the West Bank, while allowing the IDF to arm and protect terrorist settler militias.

He supported Hamas not out of the goodness of his heart, but to prop them up against the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank.

Hamas goal is clear, Netanyahu's goal is clear.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Presto said:

I think Netanyahu should have worked towards a serious two state solution. But he doesn't want that. Instead he shows a map of Israel from the river to the sea, and pushes for more illegal settlements on the West Bank, while allowing the IDF to arm and protect terrorist settler militias.

He supported Hamas not out of the goodness of his heart, but to prop them up against the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank.

Hamas goal is clear, Netanyahu's goal is clear.

Yes both goals are clear. Hamas wants to wipe out Israel, Israel wants to eliminate Hamas.

 

Neither want a 2 state solution. The UN just voted for a two state solution. Got it.

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Presto said:

I think Netanyahu should have worked towards a serious two state solution. But he doesn't want that.

 

   I was asking you about the blockade ,

Should Netanyahu have enforced the blockade more vigorously and stopped Qatar money from going into Gaza ?

 You are criticising   Israel for allowing money into Gaza , so you think Netanyahu should have stopped the money going in ?

[Presto]

41 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I was asking you about the blockade ,

Should Netanyahu have enforced the blockade more vigorously and stopped Qatar money from going into Gaza ?

 You are criticising   Israel for allowing money into Gaza , so you think Netanyahu should have stopped the money going in ?

You think Netanyahu didn't know where at least some of that money was spent? By Hamas? He supported that money going to Hamas, while being informed of the plans of Hamas, a year before October 7th. He just dismissed it, thought it would never happen. And then it happened. 

And suddenly the IDF had over 400 targets they could bomb in Gaza. So they had quite a lot of information about what was going on there. 

The question if Israel should have blocked money from going to Hamas is not a very good question, although it shows the control Israel always has had over Gaza, and the responsibilities that come with that.

Netanyahu chose to support Hamas, for his own political goals. And this is the result. 

Btw, when the war ends, Netanyahu will be held to account by his own people,and probably end up in court. And not just for corruption.

Edited May 12 by Presto

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, Presto said:

You think Netanyahu didn't know where at least some of that money was spent? By Hamas? He supported that money going to Hamas, while being informed of the plans of Hamas, a year before October 7th. He just dismissed it, thought it would never happen. And then it happened. 

And suddenly the IDF had over 400 targets they could bomb in Gaza. So they had quite a lot of information about what was going on there. 

The question if Israel should have blocked money from going to Hamas is not a very good question, although it shows the control Israel always has had over Gaza, and the responsibilities that come with that.

Netanyahu chose to support Hamas, for his own political goals. And this is the result. 

Btw, when the war ends, Netanyahu will be held to account by his own people,and probably end up in court. And not just for corruption.

"Btw, when the war ends, Netanyahu will be held to account by his own people,and probably end up in court. And not just for corruption.".

I hope so but don't think so.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Presto said:

You think Netanyahu didn't know where at least some of that money was spent? By Hamas? He supported that money going to Hamas, while being informed of the plans of Hamas, a year before October 7th. He just dismissed it, thought it would never happen. And then it happened. 

And suddenly the IDF had over 400 targets they could bomb in Gaza. So they had quite a lot of information about what was going on there. 

The question if Israel should have blocked money from going to Hamas is not a very good question, although it shows the control Israel always has had over Gaza, and the responsibilities that come with that.

Netanyahu chose to support Hamas. And this is the result. 

 

   Netanyahu was way to lenient with Hamas , hope that he's learnt his lesson and has a more stringent blockade on Gaza in future  , allowing just bread and water and fuel into Gaza .

   No more money to be allowed into Gaza 

[Nick Carter icp]

25 minutes ago, Presto said:

 

The question if Israel should have blocked money from going to Hamas is not a very good question, although it shows the control Israel always has had over Gaza, and the responsibilities that come with that.

 

 

   It is a difficult  question for you , because you are criticising Israel for blockading Gaza and also criticising  Israel for allowing goods into Gaza . 

   You do seem to be saying that Israel shouldn't have a blockade of Gaza and also saying that Israel should blockade Gaza more stringently , saying both at the same time