Robert Paulson Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 A new study for you all to ponder over while drinking your morning coffee https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38350768/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TallGuyJohninBKK Posted May 12 Popular Post Share Posted May 12 (edited) A study from back in February.... Posts misrepresent findings of world's largest Covid vaccine safety study Agence France-Presse 28 February 2024 The February 2024 publication of the largest peer-reviewed study of Covid-19 vaccine safety to date has inspired misleading social media claims that its findings show the jabs are unsafe. Study authors and independent experts say the research confirms that adverse reactions to vaccination are rare and pose far fewer risks than Covid-19 infection. ... Epidemiologist Anders Peter Hviid, one of the study authors, told AFP the findings confirm previous research and should not deter people from receiving Covid-19 shots. "What we take away is that the Covid-19 vaccination campaigns have been very effective in preventing severe disease," he said on February 23. "The few serious side effects that we have observed in this and other studies have been rare." (more) https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.34K78ZW Edited May 12 by TallGuyJohninBKK 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Study Largely Confirms Known, Rare COVID-19 Vaccine Side Effects FactCheck.org February 27, 2024 SciCheck Digest An international study of around 99 million people confirmed known serious side effects of COVID-19 vaccination. It also identified a possible relationship between the first dose of the Moderna vaccine and a small risk of a neurological condition. Social media posts about the study left out information on the vaccines’ benefits and the rarity of the side effects. -------------- COVID-19 vaccines — like all vaccines and other medical products — come with side effects, including serious side effects in rare cases. The vaccines were rolled out to protect people from a novel virus that has killed millions of people globally and would likely have killed millions more without the arrival of the vaccines. There is a broad consensus from experts and governmental health agencies that the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh the risks. ... “What we take away, is that the Covid-19 vaccination campaigns have been very effective in preventing severe disease,” study co-author Anders Hviid, head of the department of epidemiology research at the Statens Serum Institut in Denmark, told us in an email. “The few serious side effects that we have observed in this and other studies have been rare.” (more) https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/study-largely-confirms-known-rare-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Red Phoenix Posted May 12 Popular Post Share Posted May 12 15 minutes ago, Robert Paulson said: A new study for you all to ponder over while drinking your morning coffee https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38350768/ For some reason I have more confidence in the results and conclusion from the study, than how the FactCheckers did (try to) 'debunk' it as addressed in TGJ in BKK's posts. But that's just me folks, a deluded anti-vax conspiracy loon... 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post transam Posted May 12 Popular Post Share Posted May 12 1 minute ago, Red Phoenix said: But that's just me folks, a deluded anti-vax conspiracy loon... I think we all know that............ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TallGuyJohninBKK Posted May 12 Popular Post Share Posted May 12 (edited) The report below elaborates on how the side effect risks from being infected by COVID often are higher than those of the same rare side effects from the COVID vaccines: How antivaxxers weaponize vaccine safety studies to falsely portray vaccines as dangerous Antivaxxers have weaponized a huge multinational vaccine safety study of 99 million patient records that found rare adverse events and [anti-vaxers] concluded that the risks of COVID-19 vaccines outweigh the benefits. How? A combination of the Nirvana fallacy and spin. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/how-antivaxxers-weaponize-vaccine-safety-studies-to-falsely-portray-vaccines-as-dangerous/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/science-based-medicine/ Edited May 12 by TallGuyJohninBKK 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 20 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said: For some reason I have more confidence in the results and conclusion from the study, than how the FactCheckers did (try to) 'debunk' it as addressed in TGJ in BKK's posts. But that's just me folks, a deluded anti-vax conspiracy loon... I trust the study authors more than a anti-vax conspiracy loon. Epidemiologist Anders Peter Hviid, one of the study authors, told AFP the findings confirm previous research and should not deter people from receiving Covid-19 shots. "What we take away is that the Covid-19 vaccination campaigns have been very effective in preventing severe disease," he said on February 23. "The few serious side effects that we have observed in this and other studies have been rare." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said: For some reason I have more confidence in the results and conclusion from the study, than how the FactCheckers did (try to) 'debunk' it as addressed in TGJ in BKK's posts. But that's just me folks, a deluded anti-vax conspiracy loon... The fact checkers above are NOT "debunking" the study, which anyone who bothered to read the above reports would clearly understand. The cited study was/is a legitimate, scientifically produced credible research effort, and has been widely accepted and appreciated in the scientific/public health community. What is being "debunked" are the fraudulent attempts by anti-vaxers to misportray and misrepresent the study's actual findings (which are written in a lot of scientific jargonese) and the very rare levels of risk found. Edited May 12 by TallGuyJohninBKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Phoenix Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 24 minutes ago, stevenl said: I trust the study authors more than a anti-vax conspiracy loon. > Researchers found HIGHER than expected cases that they deemed met the threshold to be potential safety signals for multiple AESIs, including for Guillain-Barre syndrome (GBS), cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST), myocarditis, and pericarditis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 It's worth noting that several of the identified increased rare risks called out in the study (GBS and CVST) were associated only with the now withdrawn AstraZeneca vaccine, and not with the mRNA vaccines. And most of those associated with the mRNA were the previously known rare risks of myocarditis and pericarditis (heart-related), where most studies have found those vaccine-related side effects to be generally mild and temporary in duration, unlike when those occur from COVID infections. Addressing the specifically identified rare side effects, Science Based Medicine reported: "Meanwhile, the chances of having a neurological event after a Covid infection were up to 617-fold higher than following COVID vaccination, which suggests “the benefits of vaccination substantially outweigh the risks,” according to the Vaccine study researchers. The risk of developing myocarditis is higher post-Covid infection than after getting a Covid vaccine, according to Akiko Iwasaki, PhD, professor of Immunobiology at Yale University. Myocarditis risk after the second dose of a Covid vaccine is 35.9 per 100,000 people, compared to a 64.9 per 100,000 risk after Covid infection. The risk of developing Guillain-Barre syndrome after Covid infection was six times greater, and the risk of developing it after vaccination was 0.41 times greater than the control group, according to a 2023 study published in Neurology." https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/how-antivaxxers-weaponize-vaccine-safety-studies-to-falsely-portray-vaccines-as-dangerous/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 42 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said: > Researchers found HIGHER than expected cases that they deemed met the threshold to be potential safety signals for multiple AESIs, including for Guillain-Barre syndrome (GBS), cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST), myocarditis, and pericarditis. Why are you ignoring the explanation by one of the authors? Don't like his explanation or maybe you know better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Phoenix Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 8 minutes ago, stevenl said: Why are you ignoring the explanation by one of the authors? Don't like his explanation or maybe you know better? The study mentions" "we observed significantly higher risks of myocarditis following the first, second and third doses of BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273 as well as pericarditis after the first and fourth dose of mRNA-1273, and third dose of ChAdOx1, in the 0–42 days risk period." And the cherry on the cake > Quote from the Funding Statement of that study: "The GCoVS project is supported by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) as part of a financial assistance award totalling US$10,108,491 with 100 % per cent funded by CDC/HHS." Whose bread i eat... Source: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X24001270?via%3Dihub 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 (edited) The cited study assessed the individual side effect risks from three different COVID vaccines: AstraZeneca, Pfizer and Moderna: GBS and CVST, only cited for the AZ vaccine and both previously identified as rare risks. Myocarditis and pericarditis, both previously identified rare risks from the mRNA vaccines, along with the AZ vaccine. That's why the above FactCheck.org report on all this was titled: Study Largely Confirms Known, Rare COVID-19 Vaccine Side Effects Edited May 12 by TallGuyJohninBKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted May 12 Author Share Posted May 12 What one person calls a “rare risk” a 16-24 year old may not. They (conveneintly) assess the “risk” based on the entire vaccinated pool. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Per the US CDC: Myocarditis and Pericarditis after COVID-19 Vaccination Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart. Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly, and most cases have been reported after receiving mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. ... Data from VSD and from VAERS indicate that rates of myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are highest among males in their late teens and early 20s, usually following the second dose of the vaccine. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 So let's talk about COVID vaccines and young people: Teen vaccination cut COVID-19 cases by 37% in California, new data show April 25, 2024 JAMA Network Open has published a new study showing that, from April 1, 2020, to February 27, 2023, in California, an estimated 146,210 COVID-19 cases were averted by vaccination in teens aged 12 to 15 years, representing a 37% reduction. Researchers also estimated that 230,134 cases were averted in kids aged 5 to 11 years, a 24% reduction. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/teen-vaccination-cut-covid-19-cases-37-california-new-data-show April 23, 2024 COVID-19 Vaccination and Incidence of Pediatric SARS-CoV-2 Infection and Hospitalization "We provide evidence that California’s pediatric COVID-19 immunization program averted 376 085 (95% PI, 348 355-417 328) reported cases and 273 (95% PI, 77-605) hospitalizations among children aged 6 months to 15 years during the 4 to 7 months following vaccine availability. This represents a reduction of 26.3% of the number of cases that would have been seen in this population absent the vaccine." https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2817868 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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