Bkk Brian Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Just now, placeholder said: You left out a crucial qualification, didn't you? Meanwhile, a Hamas official based in Qatar told Reuters that the terror group estimated it had lost 6,000 fighters during the four-month-old conflict, just over half the 10,000 Israel says it has killed. https://www.timesofisrael.com/soldier-dies-in-gaza-combat-hamas-claims-6000-of-its-fighters-killed-vows-to-fight-on/#:~:text=Meanwhile%2C a Hamas official based,Israel says it has killed. No infact I've posted that at least 3 times already. Do keep up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Just now, Bkk Brian said: No infact I've posted that at least 3 times already. Do keep up. Do you understand the significance of the fact that Hamas figures and Israel's figures back then didn't agree. So how does that discrepancy support Israel's claim of 14,000? Can you share with us how Israel came up with that number? Good luck with that. Because Israel has not disclosed how it was tabulated. Israel Gaza: Checking Israel's claim to have killed 10,000 Hamas fighters BBC Verify has repeatedly asked the IDF for the detail of its methodology for counting Hamas fighter deaths but they have not responded. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68387864 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 1 minute ago, placeholder said: Do you understand the significance of the fact that Hamas figures and Israel's figures back then didn't agree. So how does that discrepancy support Israel's claim of 14,000? Can you share with us how Israel came up with that number? Good luck with that. Because Israel has not disclosed how it was tabulated. Israel Gaza: Checking Israel's claim to have killed 10,000 Hamas fighters BBC Verify has repeatedly asked the IDF for the detail of its methodology for counting Hamas fighter deaths but they have not responded. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68387864 Do you understand the significance of the fact that Hamas figures and Israel's figures back then didn't agree. Yes, who do you believe? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Do you understand the significance of the fact that Hamas figures and Israel's figures back then didn't agree. Yes, who do you believe? So, for you it's a question of belief. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted May 16 Popular Post Share Posted May 16 Just now, placeholder said: So, for you it's a question of belief. Interesting. Avoiding the question then. Interesting 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 15 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Avoiding the question then. Interesting I don't believe either of them now. I would go with independent outside sources. You apparently prefer to continue in your role as a stenographer of Israeli claims. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Just now, placeholder said: I don't believe either of them now. I would go with independent outside sources. You apparently prefer to continue in your role as a stenographer of Israeli claims. Ok so this was just nonsense then? There are no outside sources on this. 20 minutes ago, placeholder said: So, for you it's a question of belief. Interesting. I also don't believe either of them any more than I would believe Russia or Ukraine when they give figures. However since I detest terrorists who murder, rape, lie and take hostages I chose not to believe them far more. Israel has no doubt over estimated but I don't believe by thousands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Just now, Bkk Brian said: Ok so this was just nonsense then? There are no outside sources on this. I also don't believe either of them any more than I would believe Russia or Ukraine when they give figures. However since I detest terrorists who murder, rape, lie and take hostages I chose not to believe them far more. Israel has no doubt over estimated but I don't believe by thousands. Because Israel wouldn't lie bigly to advance its case? Fore example, are there any allies of Israel who believe that it has sincerely tried to facilitate aid delivery to Gaza? It's protestations are pretty much universally scoffed at. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 2 minutes ago, placeholder said: Because Israel wouldn't lie bigly to advance its case? Fore example, are there any allies of Israel who believe that it has sincerely tried to facilitate aid delivery to Gaza? It's protestations are pretty much universally scoffed at. I'll wait for you to acknowledge that you were wrong again when you claimed I was a "stenographer of Israeli claims." If you then want to talk about aid I know a good topic on that, this is not it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said: I'll wait for you to acknowledge that you were wrong again when you claimed I was a "stenographer of Israeli claims." If you then want to talk about aid I know a good topic on that, this is not it. Wrong? Previously you cited the Israeli claim of 14,000. You didn't qualify that at the time. Are we supposed to exercise some sort of telepathic power to understand that you didn't actually believe Israel's claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 3 minutes ago, placeholder said: Wrong? Previously you cited the Israeli claim of 14,000. You didn't qualify that at the time. Are we supposed to exercise some sort of telepathic power to understand that you didn't actually believe Israel's claim? Yes wrong, your claim: "You left out a "crucial qualification, didn't you?" As stated I had posted that at least 3 times before. I have no need to re post every time I mention the Israel figures just for your benefit. If you had read my posts before then there is no need for your "telepathic power" Also wrong you claimed I believe everything Israel says. Pure ignorance on your part as demonstrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 48 minutes ago, placeholder said: So, for you it's a question of belief. Interesting. Some people don't care about facts, yet constantly ask for them 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Just now, Neeranam said: Some people don't care about facts, yet constantly ask for them Some people are cowards and instead of talking to the poster concerned they use a third party 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Yes wrong, your claim: "You left out a "crucial qualification, didn't you?" As stated I had posted that at least 3 times before. I have no need to re post every time I mention the Israel figures just for your benefit. If you had read my posts before then there is no need for your "telepathic power" Also wrong you claimed I believe everything Israel says. Pure ignorance on your part as demonstrated. It is to laugh: And what did you base that 14,000 figure on? You linked to a claim from Benjamin Netanyahu. Benjamin Netanyahu!!! It is to laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 (edited) 4 minutes ago, placeholder said: And what did you base that 14,000 figure on? You linked to a claim from Benjamin Netanyahu. Benjamin Netanyahu!!! Persecution complex personified!! https://nypost.com/2024/03/31/world-news/netanyahu-claims-whole-world-is-ganging-up-on-israel-forgets-oct-7/ Edited May 16 by Neeranam 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 3 minutes ago, placeholder said: It is to laugh: And what did you base that 14,000 figure on? You linked to a claim from Benjamin Netanyahu. Benjamin Netanyahu!!! It is to laugh. You are easily amused. I will carry on using the 14,000 figure too. That's the official line from Israel. Like I said I have no need to add a disclaimer for your sake each time I mention it. Do you also add disclaimers to each post when you mention figures by the UN or Hamas? I am sure I can pick a few out. Again your ignorance and dishonesty at not acknowledging your false claims are noted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 25 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Some people don't care about facts, yet constantly ask for them You've been quiet since you lost your genocide.............🤔 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 14 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said: I said "pro Palestinian" You changed that to "Pro Hamas" . And then went to to state that I am speaking nonsense . I didn't even say that the Guardian are pro Hamas . You falsely quoted me and then stated that I am speaking nonsense . Given the topic Hamas cannot be excluded, Currently Palestinian civilians wouldn't be killed en masse if it were not under Hamas rule. In any case I repeat the nonsense accusation Guardian editorial policy is pro Palestinian. A recent Guardian opinion piece... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/25/pro-palestine-israel-language-conflict 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 14 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said: So , the Guardian states that the missile that hit the hospital was quite probably a misfiring Hamas rocket ? The Guardians politics and my politics are besides the point . Do you agree that the Guardian are correct on this issue ? Yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 1 minute ago, simple1 said: Yes So the 500 people killed in that hospital bombing , 500 who are included in the Hamas figures of Gazan people who have died , those 500 dead were quite probably killed by Hamas themselves . Hamas accidently bombs their own hospital and adds the number of deaths to the people killed in Gaza and blames Israel for the high number of deaths . That is how Hamas operate . And you also acknowledge that Hamas are liars because they claim that Israel bombed that hospital, when it was Hamas themselves who bombed it . When Israel accidently bombs something , Israel admits to it straight away , when Hamas accidently bombs something , they lie and blame Israel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 How many civilian casualties have there been in Gaza? I clarified our assessment of the figures in today's press briefing based on recent statements by Prime Minister @netanyahu 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 On 5/14/2024 at 8:41 PM, Tropicalevo said: Hamas terrorists exaggerating and telling lies? Who would have thought that. The Times of Israel, the Israeli government and the IDF telling the truth? Who would have thought of that? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 (edited) On 5/15/2024 at 10:41 AM, placeholder said: Only roughly 10,000 male deaths are verified. Yet Israel claims 14,000. Where do Israel's numbers come from? The Israeli Ministry of Information, Truth and Love. Edited May 16 by billd766 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 13 minutes ago, billd766 said: The Times of Israel, the Israeli government and the IDF telling the truth? Who would have thought of that? Amazing how the TOS is more credible than most. But you stick with the Guardian and Al Jazeera who are nowhere near the same crediblity, there's a good boy https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/times-of-israel/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 18 minutes ago, billd766 said: The Times of Israel, the Israeli government and the IDF telling the truth? Who would have thought of that? Me, I would have thought that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 53 minutes ago, simple1 said: Given the topic Hamas cannot be excluded, Currently Palestinian civilians wouldn't be killed en masse if it were not under Hamas rule. Eh , I stated that the Guardian are pro Palestinian and you stated it was Right wing nonsense to suggest that The Guardian are pro Hamas . Two different things there , it is quite clear that the Guardian support the Palestinian cause , although I doubt that even they would publicly support the war criminal terror organisation which is Hamas . But saying that , the Guardian do publish Hamas's untrue figures for deaths without questioning their validity . In regards to this story , the Guardian are extremely pro Palestinian , they report this story as UN denies Gaza death toll of women and children has been revised down https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/13/gaza-ministry-revises-figures-for-women-and-children-killed They don't seem to have reported the original claim that the figures have been revised down, just reported a denial (see above) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said: Eh , I stated that the Guardian are pro Palestinian and you stated it was Right wing nonsense to suggest that The Guardian are pro Hamas . Two different things there , it is quite clear that the Guardian support the Palestinian cause , although I doubt that even they would publicly support the war criminal terror organisation which is Hamas . But saying that , the Guardian do publish Hamas's untrue figures for deaths without questioning their validity . In regards to this story , the Guardian are extremely pro Palestinian , they report this story as UN denies Gaza death toll of women and children has been revised down https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/13/gaza-ministry-revises-figures-for-women-and-children-killed They don't seem to have reported the original claim that the figures have been revised down, just reported a denial (see above) The headline is a blatant lie but that's the Guardian, would expect nothing else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 17 hours ago, simple1 said: Already been commented upon. BTW The Board of The Guardian is not pro Hamas, why right wing people persist with this nonsense I do not know. The Guardian has an excellent reputation for news reporting. From time to time their are opinion pieces which may not meet with your approval, but that is called 'free speech', a sacrosanct protected ideology in Western media, though increasingly under threat by right wing ideologues. But they are leftists, yes? And as will all left-wing media outlets, the problem is not with opinion pieces, the problem is with opinion pieces dressed up to look like news articles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 1 hour ago, Yellowtail said: But they are leftists, yes? And as will all left-wing media outlets, the problem is not with opinion pieces, the problem is with opinion pieces dressed up to look like news articles. Who decides what is left wing, what is neutral or centre and what is right wing? You, me, anybody else, social media, MSM. governments, nations, Blind Freddy's dog? Who is to say that the decision is right or wrong? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 15 minutes ago, billd766 said: Who decides what is left wing, what is neutral or centre and what is right wing? You, me, anybody else, social media, MSM. governments, nations, Blind Freddy's dog? Who is to say that the decision is right or wrong? I decide for me, who decides for you? Taken to its extreme end, the left is totalitarianism, while extreme right ends in anarchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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