Social Media Posted May 13, 2024 Posted May 13, 2024 Biden's decision to openly threaten to withhold arms deliveries to Israel if they enter for a full invasion Rafah, coupled with a State Department report critiquing Israeli conduct, has raised eyebrows and prompted concern over the future of the Israel-U.S. alliance. The timing and manner of Biden's intervention have been questioned by observers on both sides of the political spectrum. Firstly, the decision to publicly admonish Israel during a time of conflict has been deemed imprudent by many. Traditionally, close allies engage in private discussions during times of crisis to maintain trust and respect. By airing grievances publicly, Biden risks damaging the delicate balance of the alliance and providing propaganda opportunities to hostile powers. Moreover, Biden's motives have been called into question. Some critics argue that his actions may be influenced more by domestic politics than genuine concerns for peace and stability in the region. With polls showing Biden trailing behind Donald Trump and facing defections in key swing states, there are suspicions that his stance on Israel may be an attempt to appease certain voter demographics rather than a principled stance on foreign policy. Furthermore, Biden's approach has been met with skepticism due to its perceived inconsistency. While Biden initially pledged unwavering support for Israel, his recent actions have raised doubts about the reliability of U.S. commitments. By wavering on his promises, Biden risks undermining the strategic relationship between the two countries and eroding trust in U.S. leadership. The substance of Biden's threat and the State Department's report have also come under scrutiny. Critics argue that the report lacks specificity and is riddled with contradictions, reflecting internal discord within the Biden administration. Additionally, the decision to assess Israeli conduct during an ongoing conflict has been criticized as premature and potentially counterproductive. A fair and accurate evaluation of the situation would be best conducted after the dust has settled and all relevant information is available. One of the key points of contention is Biden's objection to Israel entering Rafah, a move seen by many as crucial to eliminating Hamas's military capabilities. By hindering Israel's ability to defend itself, Biden risks emboldening terrorist organizations and sending a dangerous message that barbarism will be rewarded. The moral culpability for civilian casualties lies with Hamas, yet Biden's stance could inadvertently empower them and undermine Israel's right to self-defense. As the situation continues to unfold, the onus lies with Israel's war cabinet to make critical decisions regarding its military strategy. Biden's threat to cut off arms deliveries will undoubtedly feature prominently in discussions about Israel's next steps. However, regardless of the outcome, it is clear that Biden's handling of the situation has introduced new complexities and uncertainties into the Israel-U.S. relationship. Opinion: John Bolton former US National Security Advisor Credit: Daily Telegraph 2024-05-14 Get our Daily Newsletter - Click HERE to subscribe 1
Bkk Brian Posted May 13, 2024 Posted May 13, 2024 1 hour ago, Social Media said: Opinion: John Bolton former US National Security Advisor Also seems to be Cameron's opinion UK ban on selling arms to Israel would strengthen Hamas, says Cameron "Just to simply announce today that we will change our approach on arms exports, it would make Hamas stronger and it would make a hostage deal less likely," he adds. He said he wanted instead to focus on "hammering away every day" on getting humanitarian aid into Gaza. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68999212 1
Popular Post Tug Posted May 13, 2024 Popular Post Posted May 13, 2024 In my opinion they are reacting to the slaughter of the civilians in Gaza they have to as to not alienate voters obviously they aren’t abandoning Israel im sure they as well as the vast majority of Americans would be delighted if each and every hammas murder is rubbed out just not all the civilian human shields 2 2 1 4
Popular Post Skipalongcassidy Posted May 13, 2024 Popular Post Posted May 13, 2024 2 minutes ago, Tug said: In my opinion they are reacting to the slaughter of the civilians in Gaza they have to as to not alienate voters obviously they aren’t abandoning Israel im sure they as well as the vast majority of Americans would be delighted if each and every hammas murder is rubbed out just not all the civilian human shields Any excuse to protect joe... who has been on the wrong side of every foreign policy for his 50+ years in politics... he is puppeting obumer the muslim hater and terrorist. 2 3 1 1 2 4
Popular Post Skipalongcassidy Posted May 13, 2024 Popular Post Posted May 13, 2024 41 minutes ago, Tug said: In my opinion they are reacting to the slaughter of the civilians in Gaza they have to as to not alienate voters obviously they aren’t abandoning Israel im sure they as well as the vast majority of Americans would be delighted if each and every hammas murder is rubbed out just not all the civilian human shields In President Joe Biden’s world, Iran gets sanctions relief, and Israel gets its weapons revoked. The Middle East is on fire because of Biden’s feeble "leadership" and his unwillingness to stand by our greatest ally in the region at a time of critical need. Sadly, I am not surprised by Biden’s abrogation of his moral duty to support Israel. During his tenure, this president has repeatedly demonstrated that he prefers to appease our enemies rather than help our allies. The trend started with Biden’s disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan when he abandoned Americans and Afghan allies to suffer under Taliban rule. As a result, terrorists rejoice at his decisions instead of trembling in fear. 2 1 4
Popular Post Tug Posted May 13, 2024 Popular Post Posted May 13, 2024 3 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said: In President Joe Biden’s world, Iran gets sanctions relief, and Israel gets its weapons revoked. The Middle East is on fire because of Biden’s feeble "leadership" and his unwillingness to stand by our greatest ally in the region at a time of critical need. Sadly, I am not surprised by Biden’s abrogation of his moral duty to support Israel. During his tenure, this president has repeatedly demonstrated that he prefers to appease our enemies rather than help our allies. The trend started with Biden’s disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan when he abandoned Americans and Afghan allies to suffer under Taliban rule. As a result, terrorists rejoice at his decisions instead of trembling in fear. Huh????ahhhh oookkkaaaaa……….. 1 3 1 2 3
Popular Post wombat Posted May 13, 2024 Popular Post Posted May 13, 2024 2 hours ago, Social Media said: the reliability of U.S. commitments Replacing the Taliban with the Taliban after how many years comes to mind. 2 1
Popular Post Dcheech Posted May 13, 2024 Popular Post Posted May 13, 2024 An opinion piece by John Bolton. 3 1 1 1 1
Popular Post Thingamabob Posted May 14, 2024 Popular Post Posted May 14, 2024 The fact is Israelis, men, women and chidren, were brutally attacked and butchered on October 7. Israel will not rest until the perpetrators, Hamas, are eliminated. Biden's advisors need to think long and hard before encouraging him to seemingly back Hamas. 3 2 1 1 4 3
Popular Post Cryingdick Posted May 14, 2024 Popular Post Posted May 14, 2024 This is the most likely thing to cost Biden the election. He shows up to chants of genocide Joe has got to go. The Jews are obviously not happy either. This is what happens when you have no political backbone and try to pander to both sides. is Joe with Hamas or Israel? Depends on the day and what brand of ironclad you use. 2 1 1 1
Popular Post herfiehandbag Posted May 14, 2024 Popular Post Posted May 14, 2024 12 minutes ago, Thingamabob said: The fact is Israelis, men, women and chidren, were brutally attacked and butchered on October 7. Israel will not rest until the perpetrators, Hamas, are eliminated. Biden's advisors need to think long and hard before encouraging him to seemingly back Hamas. Bidens advisors have thought only of appeasing a small contingent of the electorate, in a few congressional seats. Bidens woolly grasp of international affairs, has led him to take steps which only encourages Hamas. If Hamas survives in Gaza as the effective governing power, because Israel is dissuaded or prevented by his sanctions from finishing the job of destroying them, then the inevitable future terrorist campaigns launched by them from Gaza, and the casualties will be firmly in his lap. International trust in the USA in its desired role as leader of the free world, already weakened by their precipitous flight from Afghanistan which left both their allies and their supporters in the country exposed,will be further damaged. 2 1 1 1
Popular Post Hanaguma Posted May 14, 2024 Popular Post Posted May 14, 2024 Seems that Joe thinks that it is OK to put out 80% of a fire. Amazing to hear what his position was not so many years ago on the same issue. He was adamant that Israel should wipe out Hamas AND Hezbollah. Also it is very sad to hear how he used to speak and answer questions. He was rarely right, but he was at least lucid and had some control over his voice. 3 1 1
Skipalongcassidy Posted May 14, 2024 Posted May 14, 2024 32 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: Seems that Joe thinks that it is OK to put out 80% of a fire. Amazing to hear what his position was not so many years ago on the same issue. He was adamant that Israel should wipe out Hamas AND Hezbollah. Also it is very sad to hear how he used to speak and answer questions. He was rarely right, but he was at least lucid and had some control over his voice. This is before joe became obumer's puppet... 1 1 1
JonnyF Posted May 14, 2024 Posted May 14, 2024 No surprise. The US has a long history of abandoning it's allies and withdrawing from overseas conflicts when the going gets tough or support from US voters appears to be waning. Add to the fact that Joe can't remember what he said 5 minutes ago, let alone last year and we can all see the writing is on the wall here. 2
nobodysfriend Posted May 14, 2024 Posted May 14, 2024 Biden fears for his re-election . Public opinion in the US is at a tipping point because many US taxpayers do not want to pay for a genocide . ( Thanks to the students ! ) Ukraine needs weapons and military equipment to defend themselves much more than Israel . Stop the Hypocrisy and help who really needs help instead of spending money for political reasons only . Biden - be careful - your policies bring trouble to your own political party . One who is happy about this is Trump . 1 1
Popular Post petey123 Posted May 14, 2024 Popular Post Posted May 14, 2024 i am disappointed that this site would highlight an articles by one of the foremost war-mongers in the western world. this midget man never tires of calling for more bloodshed, but always by others - he was too much the coward to enlist in his own country's military. the sooner he and his fellow murikan war lovers are cancelled, the better... 1 1 1 4
Popular Post Hanaguma Posted May 14, 2024 Popular Post Posted May 14, 2024 1 minute ago, petey123 said: i am disappointed that this site would highlight an articles by one of the foremost war-mongers in the western world. this midget man never tires of calling for more bloodshed, but always by others - he was too much the coward to enlist in his own country's military. the sooner he and his fellow murikan war lovers are cancelled, the better... I guess that makes him the same as the two current candidates then. All managed NOT to serve. 1 2
Cryingdick Posted May 14, 2024 Posted May 14, 2024 21 minutes ago, kir94 said: Israel's genocidal policies have resulted in the deaths of thousands of Palestinian women and children and the almost total destruction of Palestinian society. Israel's actions have clearly demonstrated that is no longer fit to be a member of civilized nations. The only way to remove Hamas and stop the endless violence is for the world to pressure Israel to destroy its racist Apartheid system and replace it with a form of government which guarantee political rights and freedoms for all of the citizens of greater Palestine. The only end to this is for Hamas to release all hostages without conditions and put their hands up and surrender. At least when Jimmy Carter was in charge we remembered the hostage situation. 5he only reason t all to reason with Hamas is to get a hostage out or find a weak spot to kill them. That's standard protocol for a hostage negotiator. I have never seen a situation in my country wheee you take hostages, kill, rape and burn people and don't die or go to prison. 1
nobodysfriend Posted May 14, 2024 Posted May 14, 2024 1 hour ago, Cryingdick said: is Joe with Hamas or Israel? Depends on the day and what brand of ironclad you use. Hamas are terrorists . Not only they butchered the Israeli festival goers , but they sacrificed the palestinian population of Gaza for their disastrous cause . Stopping the slaughter of palestinian families , women and kids , destroying hospitals etc , is something different . Your question is wrong . 1
Cryingdick Posted May 14, 2024 Posted May 14, 2024 2 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said: Hamas are terrorists . Not only they butchered the Israeli festival goers , but they sacrificed the palestinian population of Gaza for their disastrous cause . Stopping the slaughter of palestinian families , women and kids , destroying hospitals etc , is something different . Your question is wrong . The biggest favor Hamas has done for the world is they killed Joe Biden's second term. 1 1 1
nobodysfriend Posted May 14, 2024 Posted May 14, 2024 Just now, Cryingdick said: The biggest favor Hamas has done for the world is they killed Joe Biden's second term. You really think Trump will be better ? 1
Popular Post Cryingdick Posted May 14, 2024 Popular Post Posted May 14, 2024 4 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said: You really think Trump will be better ? If you don't live in the USA right now you may not understand how things are here. 2 1 1
Tug Posted May 14, 2024 Posted May 14, 2024 3 minutes ago, Cryingdick said: If you don't live in the USA right now you may not understand how things are here. Well I don’t know what your problem is but I and my family are thriving although the interest rates are a bit high I want to buy an rv but I can wait perhaps the problem is you and not the other way around hummm? 1 1
Cryingdick Posted May 14, 2024 Posted May 14, 2024 2 minutes ago, Tug said: Well I don’t know what your problem is but I and my family are thriving although the interest rates are a bit high I want to buy an rv but I can wait perhaps the problem is you and not the other way around hummm? I own an Rv and the pieces of land to park them on and have a main residence. I have added my thoughts on the D list city thread. I wish you well on getting a good rate on an RV because these days the rates aren't cheap. If you haven't been living in the USA it gets worse as you don't have a credit history. if you plan to do it full time be aware RV sites anywhere nice are over $1,000 a month. 2 1
newbee2022 Posted May 14, 2024 Posted May 14, 2024 5 hours ago, Social Media said: Biden's decision to openly threaten to withhold arms deliveries to Israel if they enter for a full invasion Rafah, coupled with a State Department report critiquing Israeli conduct, has raised eyebrows and prompted concern over the future of the Israel-U.S. alliance. The timing and manner of Biden's intervention have been questioned by observers on both sides of the political spectrum. Firstly, the decision to publicly admonish Israel during a time of conflict has been deemed imprudent by many. Traditionally, close allies engage in private discussions during times of crisis to maintain trust and respect. By airing grievances publicly, Biden risks damaging the delicate balance of the alliance and providing propaganda opportunities to hostile powers. Moreover, Biden's motives have been called into question. Some critics argue that his actions may be influenced more by domestic politics than genuine concerns for peace and stability in the region. With polls showing Biden trailing behind Donald Trump and facing defections in key swing states, there are suspicions that his stance on Israel may be an attempt to appease certain voter demographics rather than a principled stance on foreign policy. Furthermore, Biden's approach has been met with skepticism due to its perceived inconsistency. While Biden initially pledged unwavering support for Israel, his recent actions have raised doubts about the reliability of U.S. commitments. By wavering on his promises, Biden risks undermining the strategic relationship between the two countries and eroding trust in U.S. leadership. The substance of Biden's threat and the State Department's report have also come under scrutiny. Critics argue that the report lacks specificity and is riddled with contradictions, reflecting internal discord within the Biden administration. Additionally, the decision to assess Israeli conduct during an ongoing conflict has been criticized as premature and potentially counterproductive. A fair and accurate evaluation of the situation would be best conducted after the dust has settled and all relevant information is available. One of the key points of contention is Biden's objection to Israel entering Rafah, a move seen by many as crucial to eliminating Hamas's military capabilities. By hindering Israel's ability to defend itself, Biden risks emboldening terrorist organizations and sending a dangerous message that barbarism will be rewarded. The moral culpability for civilian casualties lies with Hamas, yet Biden's stance could inadvertently empower them and undermine Israel's right to self-defense. As the situation continues to unfold, the onus lies with Israel's war cabinet to make critical decisions regarding its military strategy. Biden's threat to cut off arms deliveries will undoubtedly feature prominently in discussions about Israel's next steps. However, regardless of the outcome, it is clear that Biden's handling of the situation has introduced new complexities and uncertainties into the Israel-U.S. relationship. Opinion: John Bolton former US National Security Advisor Credit: Daily Telegraph 2024-05-14 Get our Daily Newsletter - Click HERE to subscribe I don't know who wrote this article, but obviously someone who was brainwashed and blindfolded. Biden should be even more stricter and deny all weapons to Israel to attack other countries. US should not support any genocide or eradication of Palestinians🙏 2 1 2
scottiejohn Posted May 14, 2024 Posted May 14, 2024 18 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said: You really think Trump will be better ? He cannot think as he is obviously a Trump supporter! 1
Cryingdick Posted May 14, 2024 Posted May 14, 2024 1 minute ago, newbee2022 said: I don't know who wrote this article, but obviously someone who was brainwashed and blindfolded. Biden should be even more stricter and deny all weapons to Israel to attack other countries. US should not support any genocide or eradication of Palestinians🙏 biden has no legal path or argument to prevent and measures that made it through both the house and senate. He can oppose it but to block it isn't with in his authority legally. 1
Popular Post Cryingdick Posted May 14, 2024 Popular Post Posted May 14, 2024 Just now, scottiejohn said: He cannot think as he is obviously a Trump supporter! I have laid down sound debating points. Can you add anything or just insult? 2 1
Popular Post Hanaguma Posted May 14, 2024 Popular Post Posted May 14, 2024 23 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said: You really think Trump will be better ? Trump WAS better. The only two times Russia attacked Ukraine were when Obama was president and Biden. Under Trump, the Abraham Accords were bringing the Middle East slowly but surely to peace, and rallying many nations to fight against Iranian terrorism and funding of radicals. 2 1 1 2 2
newbee2022 Posted May 14, 2024 Posted May 14, 2024 9 minutes ago, Cryingdick said: biden has no legal path or argument to prevent and measures that made it through both the house and senate. He can oppose it but to block it isn't with in his authority legally. Blocking will be enough as a first step 1
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