Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[Patong2021]

18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Deflecting much? Short people indeed, Oh dear.

What is  factually incorrect in my statement? Putin's psychological state has already been profiled and nothing I wrote is outside those assessments;

 

https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2022/03/26/a_psychological_analysis_of_vladimir_putin_and_his_destructive_leadership_823868.html   - Putin has a “strong man” attitude. He displays an apparent lack of regret or remorse for his unethical decisions and the negative effect they have on innocent people. He also fails to accept responsibility for negative outcomes, and typically blames others when something goes wrong.

 

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Ukraine-war/Is-Putin-cracking-Voice-analysis-belies-steely-exterior

[Patong2021]

11 hours ago, VBer said:

If location is correct, then I doubt that Russian propagandists can freely film a video near Sudzha, especially from Ukrainian side of town.

You assume  that the video was made in Sudzha. 

 The creation of  false road signs for propaganda purposes is not unusual.

[Cameroni]

54 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

the US presence is to deter violence.

 

Not so. The US pouring billions into this war between Ukraine and Russia shows a cynical willingness to facilitate violence, to keep the war going for as long as possible. Because the US' vital interest is to weaken Russia. So it pours billions into Ukraine to keep the war going even though it knows full well there is no chance whatsoever of Ukraine winning this war, simply because weakening Russia is in America's interest.

 

If Putin used a nuclear device in Ukraine tomorrow he could defeat Ukraine within a short period and America could never respond because it would then risk being in a nuclear war with Russia herself. Both America and Russia know this. They know Ukraine can never win this war. Ultimately Putin has the insurance of nuclear weapons. 

 

America only wants to keep the war going as long as possible to weaken Russia. All this talk of independence, freedom, democracy etc is just for the naive in the audience. After all, America can't admit "we know Ukraine can never win this war, but we are pouring in billions to prolong the war in order to weaken Russia for decades". But that is what is happening.

[TedG]

14 hours ago, Cameroni said:

All the Ukrainians have demonstrated is that like other nations in history before them, who were hopelessly outgunned and facing a numerically vastly superior military, Ukrainians too are happy to take the war to civilians.

 

We have seen this many times before in history. A nation facing an overwhelming numerically superior army decides out of desperation to take the war to the enemy's civilians. 

 

There is no glory in injuring children, killing civilians and making civilians homeless. Militarily Ukraine's little incursion into Kursk with 1000 troops is the first sign that Ukraine realizes that military defeat is inevitable. This was pure desperation

 

There have been many minor terrorist raids into Russia by Ukraine before. It is nothing new that Ukrainians do this. But to send 1000 troops into civilians areas in Russia, now increased to around 10,000 troops, is basicallly sacrificing your soldiers idiotically. 

 

It's not just military experts who are calling this desperate Ukrainian attempt to entice Russia to bind reserves in the Kursk region and to divert forces from the Donbass militarily useless. Even Ukrainian analysts and Ukrainian troops on the ground see the move as the hopeless operation it clearly is:

 

"But to some Ukrainian servicemen, the attack is nothing but a “distraction” designed to cheer up the public.

 

“Things in the east are pretty bad, and this raid will for a while blind everyone at home – ‘Look, how ballsy we are. We’re kicking a** on their turf,’” Taras, a serviceman strolling in central Kyiv while on a break from the eastern front lines, told Al Jazeera.

 

He withheld his last name and location of his unit in accordance with military regulations."

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/8/whats-behind-ukraines-surprise-incursion-into-russias-kursk-region

 

As this Ukrainian soldier realises "things in the east are pretty bad" for Ukraine. And this raid in Kursk is only going to make things worse for Ukraine, because:

 

1)  Ukrainian troops are, according to Russian reports, firing on civilian houses indiscriminately, waging a terrorist war and killing civilians and injuring children. Therefore Russia will intensify its own war on civilians, which can be made far worse.

 

2)  The Ukrainian troops, by all reports about 10000 now, stand abolutely no chance in Russia, against a numerically vastly superior Russian army, and first reports now are already indicating that the advance has been stopped.

 

3) More volunteers in Russia have now signed up to defend the motherland, counter terror operations are already under way, and we all know what happens to those who invade Russia. In addition battle experienced troops from low priority areas in Ukraine have already been redeployed to Kursk.

 

Makhnovka has already been retaken by Russia, and as Russia keeps sending brigades to Kursk it is clear that the Ukrainian troops have no chance whatsoever to continue the incursion or hold territory long term. In fact Ukrainian troops now are hiding and moving around to avoid combat with Russian forces, in line with the terrorist/guerilla nature of this incursion.

 

Ukraine was basically heading for defeat on the actual fronts, so they threw a handful of troops onto Kursk to unleash terrorist war on cvilians and then pumped more troops in once they saw Russia was naked there.  The hope was that Putin would divert major troops from the actual front to Kursk. But he is not doing that. Putin has not even declared a state of war, which he could do to impose martal law, but he hasn't. He has only declared a counter terrorism operation, which shows that Putin is not overly concerned in a military sense. Even gas supplies to Europe through Kursk are not affected, it has been confirmed.

 

Most likely Zelensky has accepted a negotiated settlement is inevitably going to happen ahead of the US election, and wanted to put Ukraine in a better position for negotiation, but once his troops are kicked out of Kursk, as they will be, that notion too will fail.

 

Holy propaganda.  

 

1) What is your opinion on Putin waging war on civilians in Ukraine? 

2) Your concern for Ukrainian soldiers is touching.   Do you care about the 500,000 Russian casualties? 

[TedG]

27 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Not so. The US pouring billions into this war between Ukraine and Russia shows a cynical willingness to facilitate violence, to keep the war going for as long as possible. Because the US' vital interest is to weaken Russia. So it pours billions into Ukraine to keep the war going even though it knows full well there is no chance whatsoever of Ukraine winning this war, simply because weakening Russia is in America's interest.

 

If Putin used a nuclear device in Ukraine tomorrow he could defeat Ukraine within a short period and America could never respond because it would then risk being in a nuclear war with Russia herself. Both America and Russia know this. They know Ukraine can never win this war. Ultimately Putin has the insurance of nuclear weapons. 

 

America only wants to keep the war going as long as possible to weaken Russia. All this talk of independence, freedom, democracy etc is just for the naive in the audience. After all, America can't admit "we know Ukraine can never win this war, but we are pouring in billions to prolong the war in order to weaken Russia for decades". But that is what is happening.

 

1) I'm glad the US is sending billions to help Ukraine defend itself against Putin.   Russia has already lost the war. 

2) If Putin uses a nuke in Ukraine that will be the end of Putin. 

3) The people of Ukraine don't want to be under the thumb of Putin.  He is a sociopath. 

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, TedG said:

Holy propaganda.  

 

1) What is your opinion on Putin waging war on civilians in Ukraine? 

2) Your concern for Ukrainian soldiers is touching.   Do you care about the 500,000 Russian casualties? 

 

To the extent Russian forces have negligently caused deaths to civilians in Ukraine it is completely unacceptable and to be condemned in the strongest terms, as always when military forces do not ensure the safety of civilians.

 

However, we will need to wait after the war to see if there was a real directive and plan in Russa to wage war on Ukraine's civilians, along the lines of the UK Area Bombing Directive (General Directive No.5 (S.46368/111. D.C.A.S) of  14 February 1942, which  specifically directed the military to target the civilian population.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_bombing_directive#:~:text=D.C.A.S) was a 14 February,bomb factories in occupied France.

 

To date, I believe, nobody has seen such a document, so it would be premature to state Putin has a specific plan to target civilians.

 

If such a document were to emerge, it would lead to Russia being writ infamous in the annals of war, much like the RAF.

 

In terms of soldiers the suffering of both sides is regrettable, particularly since this war was so unnecessary.

[Cameroni]

5 minutes ago, TedG said:

 

1) I'm glad the US is sending billions to help Ukraine defend itself against Putin.   Russia has already lost the war. 

2) If Putin uses a nuke in Ukraine that will be the end of Putin. 

3) The people of Ukraine don't want to be under the thumb of Putin.  He is a sociopath. 

 

You are glad to prolong a war and needless suffering, that is very regrettable.

 

Russia has not lost this war. Russia is very much winning this war, as the desperate Kursk gamble shows. Very reminiscent of the Wehrmacht's desperate Kursk gamble and just as certain to fail.

 

If Putin used a nuke it would be the end of Ukraine, but not of Putin or Russia. Russia does not want to use it, but if Russia's territorial integrity and survival are at risk long term there is a strong possibility Russia will use a nuclear weapon.

 

Putin, btw does not want Ukraine "under his thumb", he just wants a pro-Russian Ukraine for security reasons. A Ukraine that's a cheer leader for America and wants nuclear weapons is obviously not acceptable to Russia.

[stevenl]

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

To the extent Russian forces have negligently caused deaths to civilians in Ukraine it is completely unacceptable and to be condemned in the strongest terms, as always when military forces do not ensure the safety of civilians.

 

However, we will need to wait after the war to see if there was a real directive and plan in Russa to wage war on Ukraine's civilians, along the lines of the UK Area Bombing Directive (General Directive No.5 (S.46368/111. D.C.A.S) of  14 February 1942, which  specifically directed the military to target the civilian population.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_bombing_directive#:~:text=D.C.A.S) was a 14 February,bomb factories in occupied France.

 

To date, I believe, nobody has seen such a document, so it would be premature to state Putin has a specific plan to target civilians.

 

If such a document were to emerge, it would lead to Russia being writ infamous in the annals of war, much like the RAF.

 

In terms of soldiers the suffering of both sides is regrettable, particularly since this war was so unnecessary.

Stop the BS. Russia has been purposefully attacking civilians in Ukraine.

[Danderman123]

10 hours ago, VBer said:

And what is your opinion about SS signs on helmet, and cosplaying nazi Germans?

Russian propaganda.

 

You fell for it.

[Danderman123]

6 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

You are glad to prolong a war and needless suffering, that is very regrettable.

 

Russia has not lost this war. Russia is very much winning this war, as the desperate Kursk gamble shows. Very reminiscent of the Wehrmacht's desperate Kursk gamble and just as certain to fail.

 

If Putin used a nuke it would be the end of Ukraine, but not of Putin or Russia. Russia does not want to use it, but if Russia's territorial integrity and survival are at risk long term there is a strong possibility Russia will use a nuclear weapon.

 

Putin, btw does not want Ukraine "under his thumb", he just wants a pro-Russian Ukraine for security reasons. A Ukraine that's a cheer leader for America and wants nuclear weapons is obviously not acceptable to Russia.

If Ukraine takes Moscow, you still will claim Russia is winning.

[transam]

6 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

You are glad to prolong a war and needless suffering, that is very regrettable.

 

Russia has not lost this war. Russia is very much winning this war, as the desperate Kursk gamble shows. Very reminiscent of the Wehrmacht's desperate Kursk gamble and just as certain to fail.

 

If Putin used a nuke it would be the end of Ukraine, but not of Putin or Russia. Russia does not want to use it, but if Russia's territorial integrity and survival are at risk long term there is a strong possibility Russia will use a nuclear weapon.

 

Putin, btw does not want Ukraine "under his thumb", he just wants a pro-Russian Ukraine for security reasons. A Ukraine that's a cheer leader for America and wants nuclear weapons is obviously not acceptable to Russia.

Very funny.............

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

If Ukraine takes Moscow, you still will claim Russia is winning.

And some dummy was just on here claiming Ukraine would have to pull out of Russia! 

[Danderman123]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

And some dummy was just on here claiming Ukraine would have to pull out of Russia! 

True.

 

Ukraine may have to evacuate Kurst.

 

Or stay there.

 

Or advance.

 

I don't claim to know the future plans of the Ukrainian military.

 

Do you?

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

True.

 

Ukraine may have to evacuate Kurst.

 

Or stay there.

 

Or advance.

 

I don't claim to know the future plans of the Ukrainian military.

 

Do you?

No, I don't have any idea, that why when the dummy said that I was amused. 

[Danderman123]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No, I don't have any idea, that why when the dummy said that I was amused. 

Russia is losing in Kursk, and Putin seems helpless to defend his country.

[Danderman123]

7 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Not so. The US pouring billions into this war between Ukraine and Russia shows a cynical willingness to facilitate violence, to keep the war going for as long as possible. Because the US' vital interest is to weaken Russia. So it pours billions into Ukraine to keep the war going even though it knows full well there is no chance whatsoever of Ukraine winning this war, simply because weakening Russia is in America's interest.

 

If Putin used a nuclear device in Ukraine tomorrow he could defeat Ukraine within a short period and America could never respond because it would then risk being in a nuclear war with Russia herself. Both America and Russia know this. They know Ukraine can never win this war. Ultimately Putin has the insurance of nuclear weapons. 

 

America only wants to keep the war going as long as possible to weaken Russia. All this talk of independence, freedom, democracy etc is just for the naive in the audience. After all, America can't admit "we know Ukraine can never win this war, but we are pouring in billions to prolong the war in order to weaken Russia for decades". But that is what is happening.

Putin is aware that if he uses a nuke, the US has the means of surgically ending his life.

 

Which means Putin won't use a nuke.

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Russia is losing in Kursk, and Putin seems helpless to defend his country.

And? 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Putin is aware that if he uses a nuke, the US has the means of surgically ending his life.

 

Which means Putin won't use a nuke.

The US knows that Putin can end countless lives in the US. 

[Danderman123]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

The US knows that Putin can end countless lives in the US. 

Once Putin uses a nuke, he's a dead man.

[Danderman123]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

And? 

The news of the day for Russia's failed invasion of Ukraine.

[Danderman123]

Are there any pro-Putin types here who are unaware that Ukraine is driving deep into Kursk?

[Cameroni]

3 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Putin is aware that if he uses a nuke, the US has the means of surgically ending his life.

 

Which means Putin won't use a nuke.

 

That's nonsense because Putin already lives under the threat of assassination every day, uses body doubles and this has not deterred him in any way. 

 

Besides, if the US were to assasinate Putin his successors could see this as an act of war and retaliate in kind, or even unleash nuclear war. America would gain nothing by assassinating Putin AFTER a nuclear bomb is used, except put its own country at risk of nuclear war.

 

Again, Americans want to live. They will not risk a direct war with Russia, as you can see by the very careful avoidance by Biden to put American troops on the ground. Because a war with Russia would risk putting the US into a nuclear conflict with Russa, which could wipe out the entire USA and the planet.

 

So Americans would have to be mad to assassinate Putin or use nuclear devices against Russia. And Putin knows that the US cannot retaliate if Russia uses a nuclear device in Ukraine. This is why Putin used his threat repeatedly. It is a credible threat and very much on the table. If Russia's territorial integrity and survival as a nation are threatened long term it is quite possible Russia will use a nuclear device. Even at the risk of India and China imposing sanctions, because survival and territorial integrity trump economic concerns in Russia

Edited August 16 by Cameroni

[transam]

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

That's nonsense because Putin already lives under the threat of assassination every day, uses body doubles and this has not deterred him in any way. 

 

Besides, if the US were to assasinate Putin his successors could see this as an act of war and retaliate in kind, or even unleash nuclear war. America would gain nothing by assassinating Putin AFTER a nuclear bomb is used, except put its own country at risk of nuclear war.

 

Again, Americans want to live. They will not risk a direct war with Russia, as you can see by the very careful avoidance by Biden to put American troops on the ground. Because a war with Russia would risk putting the US into a nuclear conflict with Russa, which could wipe out the entire USA and the planet.

 

So Americans would have to be mad to assassinate Putin or use nuclear devices against Russia. And Putin knows that the US cannot retaliate if Russia uses a nuclear device in Ukraine. This is why Putin used his threat repeatedly. It is a credible threat and very much on the table. If Russia's territorial integrity and survival as a nation are threatened long term it is quite possibl Russia will use a nuclear device. Even at the risk of India and China imposing sanctions, because survival and territorial integrity trump economic concerns in Russia

You are saying Russian folk want to top Putin....😱

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

That's nonsense because Putin already lives under the threat of assassination every day, uses body doubles and this has not deterred him in any way. 

 

Besides, if the US were to assasinate Putin his successors could see this as an act of war and retaliate in kind, or even unleash nuclear war. America would gain nothing by assassinating Putin AFTER a nuclear bomb is used, except put its own country at risk of nuclear war.

 

Again, Americans want to live. They will not risk a direct war with Russia, as you can see by the very careful avoidance by Biden to put American troops on the ground. Because a war with Russia would risk putting the US into a nuclear conflict with Russa, which could wipe out the entire USA and the planet.

 

So Americans would have to be mad to assassinate Putin or use nuclear devices against Russia. And Putin knows that the US cannot retaliate if Russia uses a nuclear device in Ukraine. This is why Putin used his threat repeatedly. It is a credible threat and very much on the table. If Russia's territorial integrity and survival as a nation are threatened long term it is quite possible Russia will use a nuclear device. Even at the risk of India and China imposing sanctions, because survival and territorial integrity trump economic concerns in Russia

If the war criminal Putin unleased a tactical nuke in Ukraine the US could indeed lob one back, preferably into Crimea.

[zmisha]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

If the war criminal Putin unleased a tactical nuke in Ukraine the US could indeed lob one back, preferably into Crimea.

In case of nuclear war in Europe, America will quickly step aside (but continue to provide weapons) to become the only winner of the WW3. Launch a nuke towards Europe/Ukraine == make America great again. Putin is not that stupid.

[Mavideol]

Even the Kremlin’s Paid Liars Are Begging Putin to End the Lies

https://au.yahoo.com/news/even-kremlin-paid-liars-begging-144957546.html

 

[Mavideol]

Watch: Ukrainian armoured vehicle rams into Russian checkpoint in ‘suicide mission’

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/watch-ukrainian-armoured-vehicle-rams-175000987.html

[Mavideol]

Russia's Belgorod region in state of emergency amid Ukraine offensive

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russias-belgorod-region-state-emergency-171122525.html

 

[Mavideol]

Maps show how much Russian territory Ukraine is thought to have captured just over a week into its invasion

https://www.yahoo.com/news/maps-show-much-russian-territory-180610072.html

 

[Mavideol]

The Ukraine war has crossed the border into Russia. What happens now?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-war-crossed-border-russia-185935549.html