Sir Keir Starmer & His Corbynite Past

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As the Leader of the Opposition, Sir Keir Starmer faces a significant credibility issue. Standing before a rostrum emblazoned with the word "change," Starmer formally launched his party's election campaign in Sussex. His speech, filled with modern political tropes such as family history, first jobs, and personal passions, aimed to address critical election issues like security, defense, and economic stability. However, Starmer's history within Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet casts a long shadow over his current declarations, raising questions about his ability to lead the Labour Party away from its recent past.

 

Starmer's challenge lies in his association with Jeremy Corbyn, whose leadership was marked by policies and positions that many believe jeopardized national security, defense, and economic stability. Starmer's recent self-identification as a "Socialist" only intensifies scrutiny, especially since he served under Corbyn throughout most of his tenure, except during the attempted post-Brexit coup. Unlike senior colleagues such as Yvette Cooper, Rachel Reeves, and Wes Streeting, who chose not to serve under Corbyn, Starmer supported him, making it difficult for him to convincingly claim that he has fundamentally changed the Labour Party.

 

Jeremy Corbyn, now expelled from the Labour Party and standing as an independent in Islington North, led the party through the 2017 and 2019 elections. During this time, Starmer was a key figure maneuvering to keep the UK in the EU. The Labour manifestos of those years reflected Corbyn's left-wing ideology, proposing the renationalization of energy and railways, wage caps on businesses, the removal of immigration controls, attacks on private education, the introduction of rent controls, the freezing of rail fares, the abolition of university tuition fees, and measures that would render Britain's nuclear deterrent nearly ineffective.

 

Starmer insists that Labour has moved away from Corbyn's radical policies. Yet, many of these policies remain familiar, albeit in a more moderated form. His attempt to rebrand Labour and reassure voters about his commitment to defense and security is complicated by his previous role in a team that, according to critics, would have compromised these very areas. His struggle to make a significant impact, even after nearly five years as Labour leader, further complicates his narrative of change.

 

Elected leader during the pandemic, Starmer had limited opportunities to establish a robust profile. Additionally, with only nine years in Parliament, his political career is not extensive enough to be evaluated independently of his association with Corbyn. By reiterating his backstory in an effort to introduce himself to voters, Starmer inadvertently highlights his past service under Corbyn, a period that many voters and political opponents are unlikely to forget or forgive.

 

Credit: Daily Telegraph 2024-05-28

 

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[stevenl]

Lol. After reading the headline it was clear the source was the telegraph, the Tory mouthpiece.

[Jeff the Chef]

2 hours ago, Social Media said:

Starmer inadvertently highlights his past service under Corbyn, a period that many voters and political opponents are unlikely to forget or forgive.

 

I can think of 200,000 ex Labour Party Members who will never forget for a start. The man couldn't lie straight in bed.

[Danderman123]

Nobody cares about Starmer. They just want the Tories out.

[BritManToo]

8 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Nobody cares about Starmer. They just want the Tories out.

Same as Brexit, the people want change ....... thinking any change is better than no change.

 

My own feelings is that Labour needs to be far more extreme and not just 'Conservative light'.

Lets get some redistribution of land and wealth to the people in their policies.

Edited May 29 by BritManToo

[RuamRudy]

The growing sense of panic within the right wing press, especially the Telegraph, is a glorious thing to see.

[JonnyF]

4 hours ago, Social Media said:

Unlike senior colleagues such as Yvette Cooper, Rachel Reeves, and Wes Streeting, who chose not to serve under Corbyn, Starmer supported him, making it difficult for him to convincingly claim that he has fundamentally changed the Labour Party.

 

Starmer would have supported Osama Bin Laden if he thought it would help him in his unscrupulous slide up the greasy pole to power. 

 

The snidest of politicians. Completely devoid of principles.  

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

The growing sense of panic within the right wing press, especially the Telegraph, is a glorious thing to see.

And their followers.

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

Starmer would have supported Osama Bin Laden if he thought it would help him in his unscrupulous slide up the greasy pole to power. 

 

The snidest of politicians. Completely devoid of principles.  

 

Have you had a look at the lot that are going to be chucked into the political wilderness for at least a generation by a country sick to death with their lies and corruption? They make starmer look like a saint!

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Have you had a look at the lot that are going to be chucked into the political wilderness for at least a generation by a country sick to death with their lies and corruption? They make starmer look like a saint!

 

Whataboutism at it's finest. 

 

Post Brexit, the UK is outpeforming many large economies, including the EU's powerhouse economies Germany and France.

 

https://ca.style.yahoo.com/news/gdp-uk-overtakes-france-germany-070000252.html

 

Since you raised the issue of lies and corruption though, I haven't heard from Sturgeon much lately...

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Whataboutism at it's finest. 

 

Post Brexit, the UK is outpeforming many large economies, including the EU's powerhouse economies Germany and France.

 

https://ca.style.yahoo.com/news/gdp-uk-overtakes-france-germany-070000252.html

 

Since you raised the issue of lies and corruption though, I haven't heard from Sturgeon much lately...

Nothing for you to worry about then Jonny, Sunak and the Tories  have it in the bag.

[RuamRudy]

29 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Since you raised the issue of lies and corruption though, I haven't heard from Sturgeon much lately...

 

And

 

30 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Whataboutism at it's finest. 

 

No-one holds a candle to you. 

 

Sturgeon is history - just like the Tory party are going to be for the next 2 GEs at least. Hopefully that's long enough to reverse the damage done by the racists and allow Britain to return to the EU, albeit on much poorer terms.

[JonnyF]

18 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Sturgeon is history - just like the Tory party are going to be for the next 2 GEs at least. Hopefully that's long enough to reverse the damage done by the racists and allow Britain to return to the EU, albeit on much poorer terms.

 

Not sure how electing a party renowned for it's anti semitism is going to help.

 

As for rejoining the EU, just like Scottish Independence that ship has sailed. 

[RuamRudy]

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

 

 

As for rejoining the EU, just like Scottish Independence that ship has sailed. 

 

Every demographic below 65yo + is in favour of rectifying this colossally stupid error. It surely has to come - we will return to Europe.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Every demographic below 65yo + is in favour of rectifying this colossally stupid error. It surely has to come - we will return to Europe.

 

Why?

 

We are already outperforming their 2 largest economies. 

 

https://ca.style.yahoo.com/news/gdp-uk-overtakes-france-germany-070000252.html

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

Why?

 

We are already outperforming their 2 largest economies. 

 

https://ca.style.yahoo.com/news/gdp-uk-overtakes-france-germany-070000252.html

Just imagine how good it could have been.

[JonnyF]

Just now, stevenl said:

Just imagine how good it could have been.

 

Ironic. Given how Remainers were telling us we were an insignificant little island that couldn't survive without the mighty EU. 

 

At least you learnt something from Brexit. 

[youreavinalaff]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

 

And

 

 

No-one holds a candle to you. 

 

Sturgeon is history - just like the Tory party are going to be for the next 2 GEs at least. Hopefully that's long enough to reverse the damage done by the racists and allow Britain to return to the EU, albeit on much poorer terms.

You must have gone to the same maths classes as Starmer.

 

First it was a generation. Now you can only find yourself to pledge 2 general elections. That's only 5 years and 5 weeks, max.

[youreavinalaff]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Every demographic below 65yo + is in favour of rectifying this colossally stupid error. It surely has to come - we will return to Europe.

We? I thought it was you and us?

[stevenl]

8 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Ironic. Given how Remainers were telling us we were an insignificant little island that couldn't survive without the mighty EU. 

 

At least you learnt something from Brexit. 

Nobody said that. Everyone said the UK would be better off in the EU.
Your opinion is clouding your memory.

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Ironic. Given how Remainers were telling us we were an insignificant little island that couldn't survive without the mighty EU. 

 

At least you learnt something from Brexit. 

People unable to get the medicines they need have certainly learned something, farmers going out of business, UK exporters who have had to set up operations in the EU, they’ve all learned something.

[JonnyF]

46 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Nobody said that. Everyone said the UK would be better off in the EU.

 

Except the majority of those who voted. 

 

46 minutes ago, stevenl said:

 

 

 

Your opinion is clouding your memory.

 

Not at all. Given we are outperforming Germany and France it seems evident the "sunlit uplands" of the EU were not worth the billions we were ploughing in every year. 

[JonnyF]

50 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

We? I thought it was you and us?

 

Well if it wasn't before, it certainly is now that Scottish Independence has died a death.

[Purdey]

Not sure if Starmer is the right leader, but hope Labour will support the NHS and the poor (no more food banks!). Britain needs a government focused on people. 

[stevenl]

34 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Except the majority of those who voted. 

 

 

Not at all. Given we are outperforming Germany and France it seems evident the "sunlit uplands" of the EU were not worth the billions we were ploughing in every year. 

Since I replied to your incorrect statement about remainders it should be obvious I was referring to remainders.

 

Again, you could have been economically better of. 

[JonnyF]

31 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Again, you could have been economically better of. 

 

Seems unlikely, given that having left we are outpeforming France and Germany who stayed.

 

But feel free to believe your guesswork is more valid than the actual economic results. 

[Thingamabob]

A lot of people have had enough of the Tories, understandably, but then the famous picture of Starmer and Rayner taking the knee to the BLM emerges..  

[RayC]

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Whataboutism at it's finest. 

 

Post Brexit, the UK is outpeforming many large economies, including the EU's powerhouse economies Germany and France.

 

https://ca.style.yahoo.com/news/gdp-uk-overtakes-france-germany-070000252.html

 

Since you raised the issue of lies and corruption though, I haven't heard from Sturgeon much lately...

 

What's your point?

 

The very same article states that the UK has underperformed "Italy (2.1%), Canada (3.5%), Japan (3%) and the US (6.1%)".

[RayC]

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

As for rejoining the EU, just like Scottish Independence that ship has sailed. 

 

For once I agree with you. Those ships are currently at sea. However, I imagine that they will return to port for their 'once in a generation' visits sometime in the next decade when, imo the EU vote will have a different outcome. We Eu-philes will just have to grin and bear it until then and hope that we survive that long.

 

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

53 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Seems unlikely, given that having left we are outpeforming France and Germany who stayed.

 

But feel free to believe your guesswork is more valid than the actual economic results. 

 

https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions

 

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Not at all. Given we are outperforming Germany and France it seems evident the "sunlit uplands" of the EU were not worth the billions we were ploughing in every year. 

 

The "sunlit uplands" were promised by you Leavers. If they exist - imo highly unlikely - they must be hidden behind permanent low-cloud.

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[Jeff the Chef]

7 hours ago, Purdey said:

Not sure if Starmer is the right leader, but hope Labour will support the NHS and the poor (no more food banks!). Britain needs a government focused on people. 

 

We had the chance of a Labour government that would have done that and a lot more in 2017 but for the dummies on the right of the Labour party sabotaging the best result since 2001 and the biggest increase in vote share in a single general election since 1945.

How different the Covid debacle and Brexit would have been for the U.K. under a Corbyn government rather than with the Tories under Boris.