Soapbox - The Hitler Game

[chiang mai]

Actually, thinking more about this, if you're not smart enough to get yourself a TIN, you deserve what happens to you later and you probably shouldn't even contemplate living in Thailand.

[Yumthai]

1 hour ago, ScotlandtheBrave said:

I have applied for a Thai Tax Identification Number paying for the assistance of a legal firm, and all of my friends are telling me not to be silly as nothing will happen.

Do you think all of your friends are stupid?

[Talon]

56 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

Actually, thinking more about this, if you're not smart enough to get yourself a TIN, you deserve what happens to you later and you probably shouldn't even contemplate living in Thailand.

 

And what do those people do who have been refused a TIN? 

[chiang mai]

20 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

And what do those people do who have been refused a TIN? 

Go back and demand one or escalate the matter to region or hq 

 

[chiang mai]

Tell them you want to talk to a supervisor and that you're going to escalate things. Tell them to put their refusal in writing for your overseas bank that has requested the number. Jeeze you have so many choices

[JimTripper]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

And what do those people do who have been refused a TIN? 

It's best to remain under the radar until you absolutely have to act or are pressed for time. That's a useful tip for anything here really, including getting bank accounts, tax numbers, etc.

 

The less known you are, the better off you are. Only get involved if it brings some benefit to you or helps someone out in some way.

[norbra]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

And what do those people do who have been refused a TIN? 

I am rid of all this conjecture.

I am taking advice from TRD,

I will be doing nothing.

[JimGant]

3 hours ago, ScotlandtheBrave said:

I live on my pension transferred over every month from my UK bank account, and I have already paid tax on my pension in the UK so I am hopeful that when I can prove that in my tax return in Thailand they will be clear that I do not need to pay more tax here in Thailand.

Is that a pension for services provided to a UK govt organization, including the military? If so, if that's the income remitted to Thailand -- this income is not subject to Thai taxation (per DTA), so no need to file a Thai tax return. [But, if a private pension and remitted, yes, subject to Thai taxes, per the DTA.]

 

Did the agent you used to get a Thai TIN ask you why you needed it? Did you mention private or govt pension? Probably not. They just had their hand out.

 

Anyway, common sense says, if you don't need to file a Thai tax return, 'cause you owe no Thai taxes -- no realistic need for a TIN. Yes, specific language says maybe you should get one. But, if you don't -- and no taxes owed -- what's the penalty for avoiding the hassle of arguing with a TRD clerk, who's also relying on common sense.

 

Not to belabor the point here, but to reference a thread, below, that thoroughly discusses TIN requirements. Pay particular attention to 'Troubleandgrumpy", whose arguments are sound and well-presented. Contrast this to Mike Lister's 'black and white' arguments, giving no room for an intelligent interpretation. Lister disappears during the thread -- but his 'black and white' arguments are assumed by poster Chiang Mai.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1327316-tax-id-number/

 

 

 

[JimGant]

2 hours ago, chiang mai said:

Actually, thinking more about this, if you're not smart enough to get yourself a TIN, you deserve what happens to you later

But if you're smart enough to avoid folks who can't think outside the envelope -- you'll probably come to a better solution for a convoluted situation. And what could possibly be the 'happens to you later?' A fine on taxes not owed? Fish sauce on your hotdog? Nevermind.

[Yumthai]

3 hours ago, chiang mai said:

Actually, thinking more about this, if you're not smart enough to get yourself a TIN, you deserve what happens to you later and you probably shouldn't even contemplate living in Thailand.

Halloween post of the day, a little early though. Chilling!

[chiang mai]

Lister was right about one thing.....don't try and give members tax advice when you're not qualified and don't know, just give out information and let members decide things for themselves.

[Talon]

4 hours ago, chiang mai said:

Go back and demand one or escalate the matter to region or hq 

 

 

Confrontation never ends well in Thailand.

[Talon]

3 hours ago, JimTripper said:

It's best to remain under the radar until you absolutely have to act or are pressed for time. That's a useful tip for anything here really, including getting bank accounts, tax numbers, etc.

 

The less known you are, the better off you are. Only get involved if it brings some benefit to you or helps someone out in some way.

 

That is Plan A, and I'm following it closely with Plans B and C close at hand.

[oldcpu]

2 hours ago, JimGant said:

Anyway, common sense says, if you don't need to file a Thai tax return, 'cause you owe no Thai taxes -- no realistic need for a TIN. Yes, specific language says maybe you should get one. But, if you don't -- and no taxes owed -- what's the penalty for avoiding the hassle of arguing with a TRD clerk, who's also relying on common sense.

 

 

I don't dispute that assessment.

 

I do note thou that there could be different assessments.

 

Of course Thailand is Thailand - and other countries are different.

 

I note thou, that my wife, who had minimal income in Canada, went for about 5 years without filing a tax return.  Revenue Canada contacted her, and demanded she file a tax return for those 5 years. ....  So we spent a few evenings finding the paperwork and submitting the returns.  When the dust settled, Revenue Canada owed my wife a trivial amount of money.  So small - it was not worth the effort to file a tax return.

 

The point here - is sometimes governments want one to file a tax return even when money is not owed.

 

As to Thailand?  I don't know.  There are changes brooding in the tax situation with respect to expatriates - and I can not predict how it will turn out.

 

For 100% certain I can not say whose view is right or wrong. 

 

All I can do is try to structure my finances so not to be impacted until the situation clarifies more.

 

[chiang mai]

9 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Confrontation never ends well in Thailand.

You can make your demand palatable if you try, it doesn't have to be confrontational, that's something else.

[jwest10]

5 hours ago, chiang mai said:

Actually, thinking more about this, if you're not smart enough to get yourself a TIN, you deserve what happens to you later and you probably shouldn't even contemplate living in Thailand.

Some have a pink card and been told can use it if and when these forms ever come out!!!

[oldcpu]

4 minutes ago, jwest10 said:

Some have a pink card and been told can use it if and when these forms ever come out!!!

 

Perhaps - if one (with a pink ID card) fills in tax form and postal mails (or hand delivers them) to the local Thai RD department.

 

I have a pink-ID.  Its number does NOT work for the online tax submission.  A Phuket Revenue Department official explained to my wife that the pink-ID (of a foreigner) can not be used (online) as a Thailand Tax ID number (TIN) until it has been activated. It MUST be activated as a TIN prior to use as a TIN (for online submission).

 

Activation of the Pink ID to be a TIN may not be as simple as some may suspect.

Edited 57 minutes ago by oldcpu