Reform UK Overtakes Tories in Polls for the First Time

[superal]

2 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

Which areas? There are some towns in the north east of England, where there are barely any immigrants that i did feel unsure about. I recall a match in Newcastle and our hotel in the middle of a horrific looking estate. Yobs of local British kids everywhere. 

 

 

Plenty of immigration solicitors in Thailand too telling you how to play the system.  You know get yourself a thai wife on contract so you can buy a bar, etc  You know that pesky border run and all that. 

 

You do realise by the way ... Thailand has mass immigration from Myanmar. They build all those big tall skyscraper condos in Bangkok. 

 

Australia, Canada, USA, all have big immigration numbers. It's not exclusive to the UK. 

 

 

 

Nothing to do with the huge cuts to the policing services over the past 14 years? The vast majority of crime is caused by the indigenous population, despite the headlines you may read. 

 

 

 

Housing costs is not exclusive to the UK, but most western countries. During the pandemic most house building ground to a halt. Many developers keep housing build to low levels to increase pricing. In the UK there are plenty of affordable places to buy, you just have to move outside of London. It's like saying you only want to live in ThongLor in Bangkok and using that as a borometer for rental prices in Bangkok. 

 

 

 

 

There are 112,000 vacancies in the NHS. They could be filled tomorrow by foreign nurses and doctors. But nah racist rhetoric is better.

 

International students (included in those immigration numbers) pay massive sums to study in the UK. Those fees then essentially keep our Universities some of the best in the world, and subsidise the cost of British students. 

 

Recent governments own statistics shown immigration brings in more than it takes out. You can't argue with real stats. 

 

Indian immigrants were most likely to do well, followed by Chinese immigrants. The British were 4th. 

 

Whilst i agree with you there needs to be a balanced controlled immigration policy - but you appear to be blaming EVERYTHING on immigrants. I have this sort of chat with people in Pattaya daily. They sit in bars pontificating about immigrants, reading the Daily Mail, whilst being immigrants themselves (sorry expats), not speaking a word of Thai, and barely contributing anything here other than frequent visits to bars and naughty bars. 

 

The UK has been going through austerity for the best part of 14 years caused by the financial crash of 2008 - that is where the problems began. Take it easy. 

You said " But nah racist rhetoric is better. " . Well if putting your fellow countrymen first before asylum seekers , immigrants or refugees then I am a racist ?  . The UK has lost its identity .  No wonder that immigration is top of the concerns from the voting public  in the coming election . BTW expat retirees in Thailand do not sponge off the Thai government but have to put up with discrimination as being non Thais and are charged sometimes 10 x the price for commodities or services that a Thai pays . Ex-pats do make a monetary contribution to the Thai economy .

The Reform party has growing support from the electorate , has a good chance of being the shadow opposition and even forming a possible coalition with the Tories to defeat the Labour party who are starting to lose popularity .

[youreavinalaff]

1 hour ago, superal said:

You said " But nah racist rhetoric is better. " . Well if putting your fellow countrymen first before asylum seekers , immigrants or refugees then I am a racist ?  . The UK has lost its identity .  No wonder that immigration is top of the concerns from the voting public  in the coming election . BTW expat retirees in Thailand do not sponge off the Thai government but have to put up with discrimination as being non Thais and are charged sometimes 10 x the price for commodities or services that a Thai pays . Ex-pats do make a monetary contribution to the Thai economy .

The Reform party has growing support from the electorate , has a good chance of being the shadow opposition and even forming a possible coalition with the Tories to defeat the Labour party who are starting to lose popularity .

Is lying and exaggerating about immigrants, blaming them of something that is not their fault, accusing them of doing something they do not do and not accepting they fill jobs Brits don't want to do not bring discriminatory?

 

As for 2 teir pricing. Legal migrants pay £1065 per year as an NHS surcharge. That is, if working, on top of Tax and NI. That's alot, when considering expats in Thailand moan when they need to get a bit of health insurance to get a visa 

Edited June 17 by youreavinalaff

[youreavinalaff]

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Firstly, while yes the UK economy is in a mess and times are hard for millions of people, it is rightwing populist (who have had a hand in causing the mess) are scapegoating immigrants and using racism for their own political ends. The leading ‘lights’ within the parliamentary Tory party have disgracefully joined in this scapegoating.

A nice example of Chomper exaggeration.

 

No links either. Surprise surprise.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, superal said:

Well if putting your fellow countrymen first before asylum seekers , immigrants or refugees then I am a racist ?

I wouldn’t go as far as to call you a racist. 
 

But are being played like a fiddle by the very people who are scapegoating immigrants.

 

And how’s this for ‘looking after your fellow countrymen’, the people scapegoating immigrants have a cunning plan to fix the problem they themselves created - remove the UK and all your fellow countrymen of the UK from the protections of the European Convention on Human Rights.

 

Cut funding to immigration services, create a backlog in clearing asylum applications, blame the ensuing chaos and costs on immigrants and tell you the way to fix this is you strip you of the protections you have for your own human rights.

 

Played like a fiddle.

 

Good Dogs Always Eat.

 

 

 

Edited June 17 by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

A nice example of Chomper exaggeration.

 

No links either. Surprise surprise.

Always a pleasure:

 

UK economy:

 

https://www.punchline-gloucester.com/articles/aanews/ons-latest-shows-uk-economy-flatlined-in-april

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-12/a-lost-decade-worse-than-japan-s-threatens-to-change-uk-forever

 

The Rightwing Tory Government and the UK economy: 

https://ifs.org.uk/publications/conservatives-and-economy-2010-24

 

Tories scapegoating immigrants, with ‘leading lights in Tory Party’ getting specific mention:

 

https://iea.org.uk/media/migrants-becoming-scapegoats-for-bad-policy-decisions/

 

I look forwards to you customary revisionism claiming you were referring to something you hadn’t mentioned.

 

 

[dunroaming]

On 6/15/2024 at 3:11 AM, Gsxrnz said:

...meanwhile in other news, the last genuine British Conservative leader is reportedly spinning in her grave at the debacle of a joke her party has become, and the decline of Britain into a banana republic. So much for Rule Britannia - the Britons have been enslaved.

 

R.I.P Maggie Thatcher.

Well it's all self inflicted I am afraid.  You could say the rot started with Cameron and the country has been mismanaged since he got the job. But the real rot came with the lying conman Johnson and his chums.  Unbelievably there are still some blaming everyone else.  Brexit is not being mentioned in this election by either of the main parties.  I think they know that the people don't want to be reminded of that disaster.

 

Starmer is singing from the Blair playbook and has kicked out anyone left of Centre apart from Rayner who will be his John Prescott.  Record number of Tory MPs are standing down (jumping before being pushed) and they are struggling to get candidates to come forward.  But don't think that life under the Labour party will be the answer to the mess the Tories have made of the country, they won't!

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

Is lying and exaggerating about immigrants, blaming them of something that is not their fault, accusing them of doing something they do not do and not accepting they fill jobs Brits don't want to do not bring discriminatory?

 

As for 2 teir pricing. Legal migrants pay £1065 per year as an NHS surcharge. That is, if working, on top of Tax and NI. That's alot, when considering expats in Thailand moan when they need to get a bit of health insurance to get a visa 

And don't forget the many posts from expats stating they'll return to the UK when needed for health reasons due to free care .

[transam]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

And don't forget the many posts from expats stating they'll return to the UK when needed for health reasons due to free care .

And why not, paid into national insurance all our working life.......😉

Perhaps you didn't.......🤔

[youreavinalaff]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Always a pleasure:

 

UK economy:

 

https://www.punchline-gloucester.com/articles/aanews/ons-latest-shows-uk-economy-flatlined-in-april

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-12/a-lost-decade-worse-than-japan-s-threatens-to-change-uk-forever

 

The Rightwing Tory Government and the UK economy: 

https://ifs.org.uk/publications/conservatives-and-economy-2010-24

 

Tories scapegoating immigrants, with ‘leading lights in Tory Party’ getting specific mention:

 

https://iea.org.uk/media/migrants-becoming-scapegoats-for-bad-policy-decisions/

 

I look forwards to you customary revisionism claiming you were referring to something you hadn’t mentioned.

 

 

Like I said, no links to prove your comment. You exaggerate for effect. Sadly, for you, this was noticed by many some time ago. Still a laugh to read it though. 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Like I said, no links to prove your comment. You exaggerate for effect. Sadly, for you, this was noticed by many some time ago. Still a laugh to read it though. 

I think the truth of what I say has been noticed by the electorate.

 

I very much look forward to the ejection results.

 

 

[youreavinalaff]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I think the truth of what I say has been noticed by the electorate.

 

I very much look forward to the ejection results.

 

 

Depends if they read the same propaganda as you.

 

Just the trolls to be ejected, I would think.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, transam said:

And why not, paid into national insurance all our working life.......😉

Perhaps you didn't.......🤔

You might well have done, but you migrated to live outside the UK.

 

As you are not normally resident in the UK you are not r titled to free ‘secondary’ NHS care.

 

 

 

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/scotland/health/help-with-health-costs/nhs-charges-for-people-from-abroad/#:~:text=A patient doesn't need,to secondary (hospital) care.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Depends if they read the same propaganda as you.

 

Just the trolls to be ejected, I would think.

Let’s get back to this on July 5.

[stuandjulie]

On 6/15/2024 at 6:04 AM, James105 said:

I think what we are about to witness next month is just how broken democracy is in the UK.  What may come to pass is that Reform receive 20 something percent of the vote, with Labour (probably) receiving 30 something percent of the vote in what is likely to be the lowest turnout ever by voters in a General election.   From this Labour will most likely have 400+ seats, the Tories (with a lower vote count than Reform) will get 100ish seats and Reform will get only 1 or 2 seats.  

 

No doubt all those that were complaining about the Brexit vote being illegitimate based on the fact that the majority of the electorate did not vote for it will be completely silent on the fact that Labour are heading for a super majority and will be able to make sweeping socialist changes despite not really having the mandate from the majority of the electorate to do so, nor indeed having the kind of support for Labour that Tony Blair received.  

 

Labour will then use this majority to engage in gerrymandering and allow 16 year olds to vote (whilst at the same time banning 16 year olds from buying energy drinks) to ensure that there is as much chance of Labour losing the next election in the UK as there is of Putin losing an election in Russia.   

Just like the Tories changing the boundaries to suit themselves then

[CG1 Blue]

On 6/16/2024 at 5:28 AM, DonniePeverley said:

Unfortunately Farage will get elected this time. He's leading in most polls there. 

 

He then hopes the Tories get decimated. 

 

The old racist members of the Tory party clamour to make him leader. 

 

He winds up the Reform party and joins the Tory party. 

 

They make him leader. 

 

Depressing. 

What I've heard (but haven't had time to research) is that Farage's plan is to replicate what happened in Canada in (1993?).

 

Basically the Reform party topple the existing Conservative Party, expand and morph into the new Conservative Party. A kind of reverse takeover of the Tories which will eventually turn them back into the party they are meant to be. Rather than the watered down centre left party they have become. 

 

Sounds like a good plan to me! 

[youreavinalaff]

30 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You might well have done, but you migrated to live outside the UK.

 

As you are not normally resident in the UK you are not r titled to free ‘secondary’ NHS care.

 

 

 

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/scotland/health/help-with-health-costs/nhs-charges-for-people-from-abroad/#:~:text=A patient doesn't need,to secondary (hospital) care.

So long as he informs them he intends to stay in UK, he gets all the care and treatment he needs 

[Nick Carter icp]

34 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You might well have done, but you migrated to live outside the UK.

 

As you are not normally resident in the UK you are not r titled to free ‘secondary’ NHS care.

 

 

 

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/scotland/health/help-with-health-costs/nhs-charges-for-people-from-abroad/#:~:text=A patient doesn't need,to secondary (hospital) care.

 

   Did nt you manage to go back to the UK and get NHS treatment ?

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Did nt you manage to go back to the UK and get NHS treatment ?

What on earth are you on about?

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

So long as he informs them he intends to stay in UK, he gets all the care and treatment he needs 

So access based on actually intending to resettle or on lying about the intent to resettle (AKA not entitled).

 

But not based on NI contributions.

 

 

Edited June 17 by Chomper Higgot

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What on earth are you on about?

 

  I don't think that I can make the question any simpler or write it in a different way 

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  I don't think that I can make the question any simpler or write it in a different way 

Your question is simple enough, no surprises there, but why you direct it at me is a complete mystery.

 

I’ll ask again, as simply as I can.

 

What on earth are you on about?

[DonniePeverley]

7 hours ago, superal said:

The UK has lost its identity .

 

Many would say Pattaya has lost it's indentity. I visited a small area of Jomtiem today, and it was full of long stay British. None of them can speak Thai. None of them work. Some game the system by taking a Thai wife so they can buy a bar. Many there are on sex tourism. Most still claim benefits of some sort from the UK. Not many Thai's out drinking or eating. 

 

Hardly quality visitors.

 

Parts of Spain also lost there identity with Brits taking over. Locals there fighting back too. 

Edited June 17 by DonniePeverley

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

Many would say Pattaya has lost it's indentity. I visited a small area of Jomtiem today, and it was full of long stay British. None of them can speak Thai. None of them work. Some game the system by taking a Thai wife so they can buy a bar. Many there are on sex tourism. Most still claim benefits of some sort from the UK. Not many Thai's out drinking or eating. 

 

Hardly quality visitors.

 

Parts of Spain also lost there identity with Brits taking over. Locals there fighting back too. 

 

   Did you go round talking to all of them to obtain that information ?

[youreavinalaff]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So access based on actually intending to resettle or on lying about the intent to resettle (AKA not entitled).

 

But not based on NI contributions.

 

 

For secondary treatment, I believe that is the case.

 

It's not complicated. Someone is not likely to get up and leave if they need more treatment.

 

I don't recall mentioning resetling.

 

It also depends on time spent away.

[youreavinalaff]

1 hour ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

Many would say Pattaya has lost it's indentity. I visited a small area of Jomtiem today, and it was full of long stay British. None of them can speak Thai. None of them work. Some game the system by taking a Thai wife so they can buy a bar. Many there are on sex tourism. Most still claim benefits of some sort from the UK. Not many Thai's out drinking or eating. 

 

Hardly quality visitors.

 

Parts of Spain also lost there identity with Brits taking over. Locals there fighting back too. 

You must have spent a lot of time there yourself.

 

You seem to know so much about all the Brits there. 

[DonniePeverley]

You are being played mate. Furthermore after Brexit he got himself and his German wife a EU passport. 

 

 

 

 

[youreavinalaff]

2 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

You are being played mate. Furthermore after Brexit he got himself and his German wife a EU passport. 

 

 

 

 

What is an EU passport:?

[DonniePeverley]

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

What is an EU passport:?

 

A passport that originates in one of the EU member countries. Immediately after Brexit Farage according to reports applied for a German passport. 

 

I sit with xenophobic British immigrants in Pattaya all the time. They look to this man as some sort of saviour. He is just part of the establishment, playing them, and clever at it.

 

Does he ever mention austerity?

Does he mention those who do not pay their fare share, eg the owner of Man United despite being British is residing in Monaco. Why not close these loop holes around the world?

Does he ever mention mismanagement of the economy?

Does he ever mention the disaster of the banking crisis in 2008 and how it destroyed the British economy?

Does he mention the catastrophe of the Liz Truss budget and how much it wiped from the British economy?

Does he mention the vast swades of handouts during Covid, that were far too generous imo, and now are having to be paid back to balance the books?

 

Nah immigrants. And you all believe it. 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

A passport that originates in one of the EU member countries. Immediately after Brexit Farage according to reports applied for a German passport. 

 

I sit with xenophobic British immigrants in Pattaya all the time. They look to this man as some sort of saviour. He is just part of the establishment, playing them, and clever at it.

 

Does he ever mention austerity?

Does he mention those who do not pay their fare share, eg the owner of Man United despite being British is residing in Monaco. Why not close these loop holes around the world?

Does he ever mention mismanagement of the economy?

Does he ever mention the disaster of the banking crisis in 2008 and how it destroyed the British economy?

Does he mention the catastrophe of the Liz Truss budget and how much it wiped from the British economy?

Does he mention the vast swades of handouts during Covid, that were far too generous imo, and now are having to be paid back to balance the books?

 

Nah immigrants. And you all believe it. 

 

 

Farage runs his mouth on a lot of things, it’s his MO.

 

However, he now he has a problem; as the leader of a ‘political party’ he faces questioning that he did not face as an independent carnival barker. It’s not something he’s good at.

 

When news broke, a day or so before Farage was to be interviewed by BBC Panorama, that a ‘Reform UK’ candidate has a history of arguing Britain should have cut a deal with Hitler, and that he remains a ‘Reform UK’ candidate, Farage canceled his interview.

 

He’s good at barking, but he’s incapable of facing direct questioning.

Farage will continue to bark, make promises he knows he will never be called on to deliver and blame everyone else for failure of other cons he was involved in.

 

caveat emptor.

 

 

[youreavinalaff]

2 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

A passport that originates in one of the EU member countries. Immediately after Brexit Farage according to reports applied for a German passport. 

 

I sit with xenophobic British immigrants in Pattaya all the time. They look to this man as some sort of saviour. He is just part of the establishment, playing them, and clever at it.

 

Does he ever mention austerity?

Does he mention those who do not pay their fare share, eg the owner of Man United despite being British is residing in Monaco. Why not close these loop holes around the world?

Does he ever mention mismanagement of the economy?

Does he ever mention the disaster of the banking crisis in 2008 and how it destroyed the British economy?

Does he mention the catastrophe of the Liz Truss budget and how much it wiped from the British economy?

Does he mention the vast swades of handouts during Covid, that were far too generous imo, and now are having to be paid back to balance the books?

 

Nah immigrants. And you all believe it. 

 

 

No. There is no such thing as an EU passport.

 

Also, your comment said Farage applied for EU passports for him and his wife. Isn't his wife German? She'd have already had a German passport.

 

Didn't they split up 6 years ago?