Another Jail Sentence for Holocaust Denier “Nazi Grandma”

[susanlea]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   But you want fascists/Nazis to be allowed to air their views , I want Nazis to be stopped 

The nazis didnt exist until former socialists and communists started the movement. The nazi movement is just extreme socialism. You promote extreme socialism by locking up 95yo women. 

[Nick Carter icp]

6 hours ago, susanlea said:

 against 95yos. 

 

1 hour ago, susanlea said:

 jailing 95yos for free speech. 

 

1 hour ago, susanlea said:

l a 95yo woman. 

 

52 minutes ago, susanlea said:

95yo in jail for 

 

37 minutes ago, susanlea said:

to jail 95yo women.

 

6 minutes ago, susanlea said:

 up 95yo women. 

 

 We all know her age , you really don't have to keep stating her age and repeating  yourself  

[susanlea]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 We all know her age , you really don't have to keep stating her age and repeating  yourself  

Locking up an old woman for saying stupid things is extreme. Society should be better than that. 

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, susanlea said:

Locking up an old woman for saying stupid things is extreme. Society should be better than that. 

 

  Any idea how old she was ?

Her age Doesn't seem to have been mentioned anywhere

[RayC]

1 minute ago, susanlea said:

Fascism was founded by socialists. Learn the history. It is embarrassing that people don't know this and continue to post misinformation.

 

Another definition for you: Socialism advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

 

Notice the difference between this definition and the previous one of fascism; in particular, who should control the means of production?

 

While most (all?) political ideologies share some attributes, it is the differences that distinguish them.

 

Fascism is widely accepted to have gained prominence in Italy in the late 19th/ early 20th century. While some socialists became fascists, fascism was not "founded" by socialists as you claim.

 

In general, your arguments seem to be akin to:

 

All dogs are mammals.
All cats are mammals.
therefore
All dogs are cats.

 

It's sad that you cannot see the fallacy present here and think that your conclusions are logically sound.

[Jingthing]

I'm happy to leave decisions about how to deal with Holocaust deniers up to German government.

[susanlea]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

 

Another definition for you: Socialism advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

 

Notice the difference between this definition and the previous one of fascism; in particular, who should control the means of production?

 

While most (all?) political ideologies share some attributes, it is the differences that distinguish them.

 

Fascism is widely accepted to have gained prominence in Italy in the late 19th/ early 20th century. While some socialists became fascists, fascism was not "founded" by socialists as you claim.

 

In general, your arguments seem to be akin to:

 

All dogs are mammals.
All cats are mammals.
therefore
All dogs are cats.

 

It's sad that you cannot see the fallacy present here and think that your conclusions are logically sound.

Mussolini was a socialist. He founded fascism. 

[susanlea]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Any idea how old she was ?

Her age Doesn't seem to have been mentioned anywhere

Nearly 96?

[susanlea]

1919: Mussolini in Milan created his Fasci di Combattimento. He chose the name and its icon from the Roman/Etruscan fasces, a bundle of sticks wrapped together around a two-heaed ax. It was a symbol of collectivist government authority

 

https://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/fascismnature.htm

 

[Skipalongcassidy]

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Any idea how old she was ?

Her age Doesn't seem to have been mentioned anywhere

Another blaring example of this forum's commentors commenting without reading the OP... Her age is revealed in the second sentence of the first paragraph...

[RayC]

9 minutes ago, susanlea said:

Mussolini was a socialist. He founded fascism. 

 

The fact that Mussolini was a socialist before he was a fascist does not "prove" that socialism founded fascism and/or that all socialists are fascists. I have shown the logical fallacy in your argument previously.

 

I can only conclude that you are either 1) trolling and/or 2) incapable/ unwilling to understand counter arguments. 

[susanlea]

Just now, RayC said:

 

The fact that Mussolini was a socialist before he was a fascist does not "prove" that socialism founded fascism and/or that all socialists are fascists. I have shown the logical fallacy in your argument previously.

 

I can only conclude that you are either 1) trolling and/or 2) incapable/ unwilling to understand counter arguments. 

Fascism is based on socialism. Educate yourself.

[Nick Carter icp]

9 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Another blaring example of this forum's commentors commenting without reading the OP... Her age is revealed in the second sentence of the first paragraph...

 

  🙂 Scroll up a bit 

[RayC]

1 minute ago, susanlea said:

Fascism is based on socialism. Educate yourself.

 

Fascism and socialism are two different political ideologies.

 

I suggest that you take your own advice.

[susanlea]

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

have shown the logical fallacy in your argument previously.

You posted the 2024 version of fascism ie doctored by the left. Fascists grew from the left not the right. Mussolini hated capitalism. Please study history.

[susanlea]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

 

Fascism and socialism are two different political ideologies.

 

I suggest that you take your own advice.

"It was a symbol of collectivist government authority and is widely used to symbolize"

 

Please this is too easy. 

[Skipalongcassidy]

She reminds me of the epitome of the democratic party kool aid drinkers currently in the USA... deny deny deny... no matter what... DENY

[Skipalongcassidy]

1 hour ago, susanlea said:

  You promote extreme socialism by locking up 95yo women. 

NO you don't... you promote law and order... she chooses to deny a very close to the heart reality about nazis and Germany has ruled that she needs to cease and desist.

[RayC]

Just now, susanlea said:

You posted the 2024 version of fascism ie doctored by the left. Fascists grew from the left not the right. Mussolini hated capitalism. Please study history.

 

What is the 1920 definition of Fascism?

 

Mussolini fought socialists and crushed the unions. 

 

As I previously pointed out different political ideologies can share some attributes. This does not mean that the ideologies are identical.

 

Again please take your own advice. Also please try to view things in a multi-faceted way.

[susanlea]

6 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

What is the 1920 definition of Fascism?

 

Mussolini fought socialists and crushed the unions. 

 

As I previously pointed out different political ideologies can share some attributes. This does not mean that the ideologies are identical.

 

Again please take your own advice. Also please try to view things in a multi-faceted way.

All collective movements which means left wing. 

[susanlea]

10 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

NO you don't... you promote law and order... she chooses to deny a very close to the heart reality about nazis and Germany has ruled that she needs to cease and desist.

Stupid law.

[Bkk Brian]

8 hours ago, susanlea said:

Telling lies is worse than violence? Weird world in 2024

The Holocaust did not start with the Gas Chambers, it started with hate speech. The exact same offense she has been convicted for. There is a very good reason Germany has these laws. 

 

The notorious German Holocaust denier Ursula Haverbeck has been repeatedly convicted of inciting hatred.

 

There are many neo Nazis in Germany that thrive off of this exact hatred.

 

 

[susanlea]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

The Holocaust did not start with the Gas Chambers, it started with hate speech. The exact same offense she has been convicted for. There is a very good reason Germany has these laws. 

 

The notorious German Holocaust denier Ursula Haverbeck has been repeatedly convicted of inciting hatred.

 

There are many neo Nazis in Germany that thrive off of this exact hatred.

 

 

Who decides hate speech? 

[RayC]

37 minutes ago, susanlea said:

"It was a symbol of collectivist government authority and is widely used to symbolize"

 

Please this is too easy. 

 

What does that even mean? Is "It"  fascism? Widely used to symbolise what? 

 

I'm pleased that you find this discussion easy. Although it is extremely simple to provide counter arguments and point out the flaws in your overly simplistic analyses, trying to get you to engage in any meaningful discussion seems futile.

 

Anyway, Glastonbury's just finished on the TV so I'm off to bed.

 

Good morning/afternoon/ evening.

[susanlea]

Just now, RayC said:

 

What does that even mean? Is "It"  fascism? Widely used to symbolise what? 

 

I'm pleased that you find this discussion easy. Although it is extremely simple to provide counter arguments and point out the flaws in your overly simplistic analyses, trying to get you to engage in any meaningful discussion seems futile.

 

Anyway, Glastonbury's just finished on the TV so I'm off to bed.

 

Good morning/afternoon/ evening.

You falsely claimed it was right wing. I educated you. Free this time. Next time I want to be paid.

[susanlea]

Does Germany ban jokes about Hitler in comedy clubs? Where do you draw the line? Slippery slope.

[UWEB]

8 hours ago, susanlea said:

So you are pro violence against 95yos. Doesnt that make you a nazi? I think so.

Jail sentence is not violence, it's following the Law.

[susanlea]

1 minute ago, UWEB said:

Jail sentence is not violence, it's following the Law.

Jailing a 95yo is violence imo. Inhumane. The law is stupid and anti free speech laws are fascist by definition. 

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, susanlea said:

Who decides hate speech? 

Those who make German Laws who do you think? 

[susanlea]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Those who make German Laws who do you think? 

So you are happy to curb free speech and jail 95yos? What kind of person thinks that is justice?