Thailand's COVID-19 Surge Expected to Peak in July

[Purdey]

2 hours ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

You dont have to look to extremes....plenty of evidence coming out now about the safety and efficacy of these so called 'vaccines' Making people that question the narrative out to be 'conspiracy theorists' in this way is a cheap shot.....Some of us did our 'own research' and guess what????? WE WERE RIGHT. 

Sorry, didn't realize you have a research laboratory at home in which to do your own research. Or do you think googling conspiracy websites is "research"?

 

 

[johng]

5 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Or do you think googling conspiracy websites is "research"?

Despite Google,  there are many scientists respected in their fields who have raised doubts about the safety and efficacy of these so called 'vaccines'  they have been shouting from the rooftops from the beginning but were ignored...you don't have to be a scientist with a laboratory at home to smell bull*hit.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Seems people didn't understand my previous post. The figure of 2.16% comes from the Delta era whereas what we are seeing now and have been since Omicron changed into a basically non-fatal viral infection is a very, very low fatality rate. To say this change is because of treatments and vaccines completely misses the FACT that Omicron and it's variants is essentially a non-severe and non-fatal viral infection.

 

And yet, COVID deaths keep piling up around the world week after week. Admittedly, fewer than in the worst years of the pandemic, and now mostly occurring among the elderly and those with other very common health conditions like overweight, diabetes, high blood pressure, etc etc. But still occurring, and still a risk.

 

Notably, of the 16 official COVID deaths Thailand reported for the past week, two of them were in the age group 20-49, and another two were in the age group 50-59... Maybe someone forgot to tell them your fairy tale about COVID today being "essentially a non-severe and non-fatal viral infection."  Or maybe it depends on how you define the term "essentially."

 

Not to mention the other 709 people hospitalized in Thai hospitals as of Saturday who were listed in serious condition with COVID. I don't think it's "non-severe" for them.

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1331183-new-weekly-covid-hospitalizations-rocket-upward-to-3256-hitting-new-high-for-2023-2024/

 

Or the 146 people in the UK who died of COVID for the most recently reported week.

 

https://ukhsa-dashboard.data.gov.uk/

 

Or the 64 people who died from COVID in Taiwan for the most recent week, up from 40 the week before. Or maybe some people here think they don't count because most of those deaths occurred with people age 65 and above.

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1331423-taiwan-sees-932-severe-covid-cases-64-weekly-covid-deaths-reported/

 

Or the 300 or so people who continue to die of COVID in the U.S. pretty much every week lately.

 

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_weeklydeaths_select_00

 

I suspect you'll argue despite all the COVID deaths reported above, the odds of dying remain low... And that's probably true... until you or a family member or someone else ends up being one of the statistics that fill out the ongoing COVID deaths reports week after week after week.

 

[BKKBike09]

10 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Notably, of the 16 official COVID deaths Thailand reported for the past week, two of them were in the age group 20-49, and another two were in the age group 50-59... Maybe someone forgot to tell them your fairy tale about COVID today being "essentially a non-severe and non-fatal viral infection."  Or maybe it depends on how you define the term "essentially."

 

Or the 146 people in the UK who died of COVID for the most recently reported week.

 

However, although 10 times more people died of Covid (according to your info) in UK than Thailand, the NHS and public health luminaries don't feel the need to issue warnings etc, encourage general mask wearing when around other people etc.

 

Perhaps that's because people here have moved on given that, for the vast majority, it is of no interest or consequence.

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The UK, unlike Thailand, just wrapped up its spring nationwide campaign urging the elderly and others at high risk to get their updated COVID vaccination at the government's expense....

 

"On 20 June, NHS England said more than four million people had received a spring booster jab."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55045639

 

And as for your other comments:

Covid spike sees masks reintroduced at hospitals

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czk078zj5nyo

 

AND

Summer Covid wave hits UK as expert warns of Euro 2024 fuelling rise in infections

A “growing” summer wave of Covid-19 has hit the UK as experts suggest the European football tournament is fueling a rise in infections.

 

The latest figures from the UK Health Security Agency show that as of 19 June infections were up by 33 per cent on the previous week. Hospital admissions saw a slight increase.

...

According to the UKHSA, Covid hospital admissions increased by 24 per cent in the week leading up to Sunday 23 June, with a rate of 3.31 per 100,000 people compared with 2.67 per 100,000 in the previous week.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/summer-covid-wave-2024-uk-euros-b2573767.html

 

[Purdey]

52 minutes ago, johng said:

Despite Google,  there are many scientists respected in their fields who have raised doubts about the safety and efficacy of these so called 'vaccines'  they have been shouting from the rooftops from the beginning but were ignored...you don't have to be a scientist with a laboratory at home to smell bull*hit.

Fortunately, they are a minority. Getting a PhD in any scientific subject takes a long time and then to become an expert in a field takes longer. I notice those shouting from the rooftops are usually not virologists or vaccine experts. Lots of real scientists who are experts in their field are worried about this minority screaming from the rooftops.

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccine-scientist-warns-antiscience-conspiracies-have-become-a-deadly-organized-movement/

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2023/09/19/deadly-rise-anti-science-book

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-02981-z (paid site but the headline says it all)

Edited July 4 by Purdey

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

54 minutes ago, johng said:

Despite Google,  there are many scientists respected in their fields who have raised doubts about the safety and efficacy of these so called 'vaccines'  they have been shouting from the rooftops from the beginning but were ignored...you don't have to be a scientist with a laboratory at home to smell bull*hit.

 

Ya, like these folks:

 

 

CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE

Overall, we rate America’s Frontline Doctors a quackery-level pseudoscience website based on promoting false or misleading information regarding Coronavirus that does not align with the scientific consensus. We also rate them Low for factual reporting due to a lack of transparency and using known pseudoscience sources to draw their conclusions.

 

"they give a page that lists its leadership, which does not contain an Epidemiologist, Immunologist, or Infectious Disease, expert. Additionally, if they have qualified physicians and researchers on staff, they are not listed on the website."

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/americas-frontline-doctors/

 

Or these folks fronted by a U.S. cardiologist, Peter McCullough, who's been among the most prolific misinformation peddlers of the pandemic.

 

CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE

Overall, we rate The Wellness Company as a conspiracy and pseudoscience website based on the promotion of alternative health claims that are either false, misleading, or unproven.

 

"In general, The Wellness Company promotes pseudoscientific disinformation often as a way to promote alternative health products. Realistically, this site does not promote wellness but rather pseudoscience that can be harmful to health if proper medical treatments are not sought."

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-wellness-company-bias/

 

Edited July 4 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[transam]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Haven't worn a mask for years and will never be jabbed with an mRNA vaccine.

Great, but of course you will go missing on here if you go down with it, all embarrassed..........😝

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[dinsdale]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

Great, but of course you will go missing on here if you go down with it, all embarrassed..........😝

I've had both Delta and Omicron. Not sure how many times I've had Omicron. Once for sure. Had some colds which may have been Omicron or may not have been. Hard to tell as the symptoms as you well know are very similar.

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Notably, of the 16 official COVID deaths Thailand reported for the past week, two of them were in the age group 20-49, and another two were in the age group 50-59... Maybe someone forgot to tell them your fairy tale about COVID today being "essentially a non-severe and non-fatal viral infection." 

"Notably" what's missing from this bit of information you provide is any detail about comorbidities. How do you know that the two in the 20-49 age group didn't for example have AIDS and were immunocompromised and as such were vulnerable to any viral infection. You don't know and neither do I because these details are rarely told. Same with the 50-59 age group. Severe comorbidities? No one has ever said that there are not at risk sectors of the population but these represent a small % of society as a whole as do the fatality figures.

Edited July 4 by dinsdale

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

40 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Comorbidities? No one has ever said that there are not at risk sectors of the population but these represent a small % of society as a whole as do the fatality figures.

 

I think you'll find the so-called COVID comorbidity rates among the general population are not so small as you think. And the typical discussions about comorbidities focus on chronic medical conditions per se, and not mere aging itself which is the largest risk factor, as shown below.

 

Updated Estimates of Chronic Conditions Affecting Risk for Complications from Coronavirus Disease, United States

"We estimate that 56.0% of US adults, with a wide range across age groups and states, have >1 underlying conditions that increase risk for hospitalization caused by COVID-19."

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7454091/

 

AND

 

Comorbidities, multimorbidity and COVID-19

 

"Modeling studies have estimated that 1.7 billion people globally (22% of the population) have at least one comorbidity that is associated with an increased risk of developing severe COVID-19."

...

Most research related to the impact of long-term conditions on COVID-19 has focused on single comorbidities. However, one-third of adults globally are estimated to have two or more long-term conditions⁸⁶, increasing to more than two-thirds in those aged 65 or older⁸⁷. In a large study of hospitalized people with COVID-19 in the UK, crude mortality in patients with multimorbidity was more than double that of those without multimorbidity (37.2% versus 17.3%), even after adjusting for demographic factors

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02156-9

 

 

Underlying Medical Conditions Associated with Higher Risk for Severe COVID-19: Information for Healthcare Professionals

 

"Age is the strongest risk factor for severe COVID-19 outcomes. Patients with one or multiple of certain underlying medical conditions are also at higher risk.^(1–3)

 

Additionally, being unvaccinated or not being up to date on COVID-19 vaccinations also increases the risk of severe COVID-19 outcomes.

 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-care/underlyingconditions.html

 

Edited July 4 by TallGuyJohninBKK

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[CLUBBER]

10 hours ago, Purdey said:

As someone over 60 with diabetes I fart in the general direction on those who pretend it is like a cold.

You should have taken better care of yourself and now should be eating clean and drinking zero alcohol

[dinsdale]

As per the OP so far this year less than one person a day has had a death attributed to covid. So far today 41 have died on the roads and so far this year 7402 have died as of time of typing this post. This is as opposed to 172 attributable covid19 deaths this year and how many of these 172 had severe comorbidities is unknown. Perspective is everything.

https://www.thairsc.com/eng/

 

[HOOD Robin]

BULL<deleted> IN THE 1ST DEGREE !!  👎 👎

[BKKBike09]

4 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Summer Covid wave hits UK as expert warns of Euro 2024 fuelling rise in infections

A “growing” summer wave of Covid-19 has hit the UK as experts suggest the European football tournament is fueling a rise in infections.

 

The latest figures from the UK Health Security Agency show that as of 19 June infections were up by 33 per cent on the previous week. Hospital admissions saw a slight increase.

...

According to the UKHSA, Covid hospital admissions increased by 24 per cent in the week leading up to Sunday 23 June, with a rate of 3.31 per 100,000 people compared with 2.67 per 100,000 in the previous week.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/summer-covid-wave-2024-uk-euros-b2573767.html

 

Thanks - I enjoyed reading the Independent article:

 

... Prof Woolhouse said waves of Covid continue to be driven by new variants and “partial waning immunity to infection”. “For now, we have to expect this pattern to continue,” he said. “Over the coming decades, we will shift to a situation where most people are exposed to Covid – possibly several times – when they are young.

 

“This will not cause a significant public health problem – healthy young people were never much affected by Covid – but it will result in a build-up of immunity that will make them much less vulnerable when they are elderly and frail.”

 

He said that “to all intents and purposes” Covid-19 will become just another common cold” ...

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/summer-covid-wave-2024-uk-euros-b2573767.html

 

[BKKBike09]

3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Underlying Medical Conditions Associated with Higher Risk for Severe COVID-19: Information for Healthcare Professionals

 

"Age is the strongest risk factor for severe COVID-19 outcomes. Patients with one or multiple of certain underlying medical conditions are also at higher risk.^(1–3)

 

Additionally, being unvaccinated or not being up to date on COVID-19 vaccinations also increases the risk of severe COVID-19 outcomes.

 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-care/underlyingconditions.html

 

The study was designed to examine risk factors associated with severe outcomes of COVID-19 including admission to an ICU or stepdown unit, invasive mechanical ventilation, and death.

Main Findings: 

• Certain underlying medical conditions were associated with an increased risk for severe COVID-19 illness in adults.
• Having multiple conditions was also associated with severe COVID-19 illness.
• Obesity, diabetes with complications, and anxiety and fear-related disorders had the strongest association with death.
• The number of frequent underlying medical conditions (present in ≥10.0% of patients) increased with age.207

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-care/underlyingconditions.html

 

So fear of dying from Covid can actually make it more likely that you will die from it, if you get it.

 

[rattlesnake]

I am seeing lots of sick people at the moment. Average number of Covid jabs received by said people: 3.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

29 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

 

Thanks - I enjoyed reading the Independent article:

 

 

... Prof Woolhouse said waves of Covid continue to be driven by new variants and “partial waning immunity to infection”. “For now, we have to expect this pattern to continue,” he said. “Over the coming decades, we will shift to a situation where most people are exposed to Covid – possibly several times – when they are young.

 

“This will not cause a significant public health problem – healthy young people were never much affected by Covid – but it will result in a build-up of immunity that will make them much less vulnerable when they are elderly and frail.”

 

He said that “to all intents and purposes” Covid-19 will become just another common cold” ...

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/summer-covid-wave-2024-uk-euros-b2573767.html

 

 

Most of the comments you're quoting above were preceded by the professor's comment -- "Over the coming decades".

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

25 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I am seeing lots of sick people at the moment. Average number of Covid jabs received by said people: 3.

 

Thailand had 3,256 hospitalizations for COVID just last week. So you probably need to work on your social circle some to get a meaningful sample.

 

But yes, since a U.S. study I posted here just yesterday found that 2-3 year old pre-XBB COVID vaccinations basically aren't providing any protection against COVID hospitalizations at this point -- because of the long times that have passed since they were given and the virus having mutated many times since -- up-to-date XBB COVID vaccinations are really the only ones providing meaningful protection at this point, and that protection is pretty strong. (see below)

 

But at least thus far, the Thai government isn't doing any XBB COVID vaccinations in this country of 70+ million people where most who have been vaccinated were last vaccinated with older version vaccines back in 2022 or prior. Useless at this point, thus as was your comment.

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1331424-study-latest-xbb-covid-19-vaccine-offers-protection-against-hospitalization/

 

 

[Lorry]

9 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I am seeing lots of sick people at the moment. Average number of Covid jabs received by said people: 3.

If they got only 3 shots, that means no XBB shot 

That's the one they need now

[dinsdale]

42 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Most of the comments you're quoting above were preceded by the professor's comment -- "Over the coming decades".

 

How about this one.....

1 hour ago, BKKBike09 said:

healthy young people were never much affected by Covid

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Except for these 1,847 COVID deaths in the U.S. of juveniles up thru June 2023, among others elsewhere:

 

 

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Deaths-by-Sex-Ages-0-18-years/xa4b-4pzv

 

Or this broader estimate from the UN:

 

How many children have died from COVID-19?

"Among the 4.4 million COVID-19 deaths1 reported in the MPIDR COVerAGE database, 0.4 per cent (over 17,400) occurred in children and adolescents under 20 years of age. Of the over 17,400 deaths reported in those under 20 years of age, 53 per cent occurred among adolescents ages 10–19, and 47 per cent among children ages 0–9."

 

https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-survival/covid-19/

 

 

Edited July 4 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[dinsdale]

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Except for these 1,847 COVID deaths in the U.S. of juveniles up thru June 2023, among others elsewhere:

 

 

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Deaths-by-Sex-Ages-0-18-years/xa4b-4pzv

 

Or this broader estimate from the UN:

 

How many children have died from COVID-19?

"Among the 4.4 million COVID-19 deaths1 reported in the MPIDR COVerAGE database, 0.4 per cent (over 17,400) occurred in children and adolescents under 20 years of age. Of the over 17,400 deaths reported in those under 20 years of age, 53 per cent occurred among adolescents ages 10–19, and 47 per cent among children ages 0–9."

 

https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-survival/covid-19/

 

 

Thankyou for sharing the UNICEF data. I'm wondering why you didn't add this bit to your post.

"The available evidence indicates the direct impact of COVID-19 on child, adolescent and youth mortality to be limited."

https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-survival/covid-19/

[dinsdale]

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

As per the OP so far this year less than one person a day has had a death attributed to covid. So far today 41 have died on the roads and so far this year 7402 have died as of time of typing this post. This is as opposed to 172 attributable covid19 deaths this year and how many of these 172 had severe comorbidities is unknown. Perspective is everything.

https://www.thairsc.com/eng/

 

Since I posted this 2 hours ago 4 more road fatalities have been added to the count. I wonder how many deaths have been attributed to covid in the last 2 hours in Thailand. As I said perspective is everything.

https://www.thairsc.com/eng/

Edited July 4 by dinsdale

[rattlesnake]

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Thailand had 3,256 hospitalizations for COVID just last week. So you probably need to work on your social circle some to get a meaningful sample.

 

But yes, since a U.S. study I posted here just yesterday found that 2-3 year old pre-XBB COVID vaccinations basically aren't providing any protection against COVID hospitalizations at this point -- because of the long times that have passed since they were given and the virus having mutated many times since -- up-to-date XBB COVID vaccinations are really the only ones providing meaningful protection at this point, and that protection is pretty strong. (see below)

 

But at least thus far, the Thai government isn't doing any XBB COVID vaccinations in this country of 70+ million people where most who have been vaccinated were last vaccinated with older version vaccines back in 2022 or prior. Useless at this point, thus as was your comment.

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1331424-study-latest-xbb-covid-19-vaccine-offers-protection-against-hospitalization/

 

 

 

People seem to have very weak immune systems.

[rattlesnake]

2 hours ago, Lorry said:

If they got only 3 shots, that means no XBB shot 

That's the one they need now

 

"Only 3 shots"…

[zakalwe]

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Since I posted this 2 hours ago 4 more road fatalities have been added to the count. I wonder how many deaths have been attributed to covid in the last 2 hours in Thailand. As I said perspective is everything.

https://www.thairsc.com/eng/

Thankfully, road deaths are not contagious.

Edited July 4 by zakalwe

[dinsdale]

3 hours ago, zakalwe said:

Thankfully, road deaths are not contagious.

Thankfully very, very, very few people die from covid everyday here in Thailand. Less than one everyday so far this year.