Exit Polls Show France's National Rally Falls Short in Parliamentary Elections

[candide]

10 minutes ago, impulse said:

I don't know enough to come down on either side in France.  Can someone explain the rioting?  It's being described this way on RT:

 

Riots and looting broke out across France as left-wing supporters flooded the streets to celebrate the New Popular Front coalition's victory over the right-wing National Rally and President Emmanuel Macron’s centrists, after early results were released on Sunday night.

 

Is that how they celebrate a win?  Burning and looting?  Did the left's win embolden them due to lack of expected consequences?  Or is there another dynamic?

 

Russian propaganda B.S., Seriously? Who's looking for news about France on RT? 😆

 

A few clashes at the end in some places, as usual. Nothing particular.

[susanlea]

10 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Those rioters were reported hooded and masked.You can tell they are left or right or just hooligans? 

Probably can if you look at their shirts. Earrings and facial rings are a good clue to.

[impulse]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

Russian propaganda B.S., Seriously? Who's looking for news about France on RT?

 

A few clashes at the end in some places, as usual. Nothing particular.

 

Also being reported on Fox and other right wing sites.  If they're wrong, how about discussing their facts instead of attacking the source?

[candide]

17 minutes ago, susanlea said:

France high unemployment

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/france/unemployment-rate

 

What will the left do? 

Probably not better than the previous governments.

[susanlea]

1 minute ago, candide said:

Probably not better than the previous governments.

Country of lazy lefties.

[candide]

Double post

Edited July 8 by candide

[candide]

25 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Also being reported on Fox and other right wing sites.  If they're wrong, how about discussing their facts instead of attacking the source?

There's no reason to discuss fake facts. Try to get your information from reliable sources.

 

Fox News has been known for reporting B.S. about France (remember the ridiculous "no-go zones" B.S.).

 

Nothing particular in the French media, including the main right-wing and anti-left newspaper. It's peanuts!

https://www.lefigaro.fr/

Edited July 8 by candide

[stevenl]

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

The results clearly show that a combination of fear mongering and collusion can at least delay the forces of change.  I was listening to the news today and they spoke of a "left coalition" compared to the "far right".  I wonder how many times the phrase "far left" is ever used?

Fear mongering and collusion, that's the mantra from Le Pen.

[susanlea]

5 minutes ago, candide said:

There's no reason to discuss fake facts. Try to get your information from reliable sources.

 

Fox News has been known for reporting B.S. about France (remember the ridiculous "no-go zones" B.S.).

 

Nothing particular in the French media, including the main right-wing and anti-left newspaper.

https://www.lefigaro.fr/

Why is unemployment high? Hopeless government or lazy locals?

[candide]

28 minutes ago, susanlea said:

Why is unemployment high? Hopeless government or lazy locals?

What has it to do with fake news reported by RT?

Edited July 8 by candide

[tgw]

57 minutes ago, impulse said:

I don't know enough to come down on either side in France.  Can someone explain the rioting?  It's being described this way on RT:

 

Riots and looting broke out across France as left-wing supporters flooded the streets to celebrate the New Popular Front coalition's victory over the right-wing National Rally and President Emmanuel Macron’s centrists, after early results were released on Sunday night.

 

Is that how they celebrate a win?  Burning and looting?  Did the left's win embolden them due to lack of expected consequences?  Or is there another dynamic?

 

Burning and looting is sadly normal in France every time something "emotional" happens, especially when it involves immigrants or people with an immigration background, much of which resent the establishment and thus support Mélanchon's extreme left, but in essence the rioters are anarchists and petty criminals seizing the opportunity to commit crimes, loot and in general cause mayhem.
There are a number of reasons for this, the most important being previous government policies, many stemming from Mitterrand.

The rioting and looting after the election doesn't seem to be worse than usual.

Edited July 8 by tgw

[Cory1848]

8 hours ago, riclag said:

I agree with madame Le Pen

 

The seeds of traditional origin  have been planted.

Viva Nationalism

Viva nationalism. Viva xenophobia. Viva hatred of the Other. Viva endless stupid tribal conflict. We’re all the same species, man; let’s act like it. The EU is a good start.

[impulse]

13 minutes ago, candide said:

There's no reason to discuss fake facts. Try to get your information from reliable sources.

 

Fox News has been known for reporting B.S. about France (remember the ridiculous "no-go zones" B.S.).

 

Nothing particular in the French media, including the main right-wing and anti-left newspaper. It's peanuts!

https://www.lefigaro.fr/

I apologize that I couldn't vet these links because they're blocked here.  But a Bing search revealed:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/violent-clashes-break-out-across-france-after-left-wing-s-surprise-election-win/ar-BB1pzswi

 

https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/news/french-election-results-trigger-riots/

 

https://newsrescue.com/french-election-results-trigger-riots-videos/

 

https://ussanews.com/2024/07/07/french-election-results-trigger-riots-videos/

 

https://thepressunited.com/updates/french-election-results-trigger-riots-videos/

 

I'm sure a Google search in English would be even more comprehensive

 

 

 

[impulse]

14 minutes ago, tgw said:

but in essence the rioters are anarchists and petty criminals seizing the opportunity to commit crimes, loot and in general cause mayhem.

 

Thanks for the reply.  That was my theory, based on what happens in the USA when lefties are elected that defund the police and decriminalize looting up to $900.  It emboldens the petty criminals that know they won't see any consequences under the new regime.

 

But as I said, I don't know enough about French politics.

 

Edited July 8 by impulse

[candide]

17 minutes ago, impulse said:

I apologize that I couldn't vet these links because they're blocked here.  But a Bing search revealed:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/violent-clashes-break-out-across-france-after-left-wing-s-surprise-election-win/ar-BB1pzswi

 

https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/news/french-election-results-trigger-riots/

 

https://newsrescue.com/french-election-results-trigger-riots-videos/

 

https://ussanews.com/2024/07/07/french-election-results-trigger-riots-videos/

 

https://thepressunited.com/updates/french-election-results-trigger-riots-videos/

 

I'm sure a Google search in English would be even more comprehensive

 

 

 

By French standards, it's peanuts. Nothing like what happened in relation to the yellow jackets protest or surburban protests.

 

There are usually such clashes by mainly hooligans at the end of nearly every protest, after regular protesters and the security personnel of political parties or trade unions have left. A nothing burger.

Edited July 8 by candide

[novacova]

RIP France 

[GroveHillWanderer]

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The left essentially conspired by tactically withdrawing candidates. If they think this is a long term strategy to win the hearts and minds of French patriots I suspect they are in for a massive shock. 

 

To conspire means to, "make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act."

 

This was neither done secretly (it was all completely out in the open - I read about it days before the second round of voting) nor was it illegal or harmful - in fact I'd say it was highly beneficial to France as a nation. 

 

Tactical voting is a time-honoured practice in many parliamentary democracies around the world, there's nothing illegal or harmful about it.

 

And the voting figures show that a sizeable majority of the French electorate wanted exactly this result, so plainly, their hearts and minds were won over to this outcome.

Edited July 8 by GroveHillWanderer

[rudi49jr]

3 hours ago, susanlea said:

No such thing as far right. Media is bought and paid for.

 

2 hours ago, susanlea said:

No such thing as extreme right.

 

1 hour ago, susanlea said:

Never met a far right person. 

 

1 hour ago, susanlea said:

Left wing thugs as always. 

You seem to be doing a lot of this:

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

4 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

The results clearly show that a combination of fear mongering and collusion can at least delay the forces of change.  I was listening to the news today and they spoke of a "left coalition" compared to the "far right".  I wonder how many times the phrase "far left" is ever used?

In terms of this election, it's used almost all the time. Most of the reports I've read describe LFI as a far left party - a label which they're happy to embrace, by the way.

Edited July 8 by GroveHillWanderer

[riclag]

1 hour ago, susanlea said:

Left wing thugs as always. 

Useful Idiots, the lefts use of the masses to push their democracy , mob rule.

Accept forced migration or the mob’s intimidation !

 

Thats how the left won the elections in France & Uk! They use the authoritative government to push their will through fear tactics &  violence.

 

https://www.politico.eu/sponsored-content/fear-a-decisive-force-in-these-european-elections/

 

https://www.northernpublicradio.org/2024-07-06/right-wing-movements-are-growing-in-europe-how-do-they-differ-from-those-in-the-u-s

 

 

[susanlea]

9 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

 

 

 

You seem to be doing a lot of this:

 

1990s idea. Great response. 

[susanlea]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

Useful Idiots, the lefts use of the masses to push their democracy , mob rule.

Accept forced migration or the mob’s intimidation !

 

Thats how the left won the elections in France & Uk! They use the authoritative government to push their will through fear tactics &  violence.

 

https://www.politico.eu/sponsored-content/fear-a-decisive-force-in-these-european-elections/

 

https://www.northernpublicradio.org/2024-07-06/right-wing-movements-are-growing-in-europe-how-do-they-differ-from-those-in-the-u-s

 

 

Common theme. Free money and passport get votes. 

[candide]

26 minutes ago, riclag said:

Useful Idiots, the lefts use of the masses to push their democracy , mob rule.

Accept forced migration or the mob’s intimidation !

 

Thats how the left won the elections in France & Uk! They use the authoritative government to push their will through fear tactics &  violence.

 

https://www.politico.eu/sponsored-content/fear-a-decisive-force-in-these-european-elections/

 

https://www.northernpublicradio.org/2024-07-06/right-wing-movements-are-growing-in-europe-how-do-they-differ-from-those-in-the-u-s

 

 

More B.S., unsupported by your sources

[Ben Zioner]

Funny thing is that French expats have 

8 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The left essentially conspired by tactically withdrawing candidates. If they think this is a long term strategy to win the hearts and minds of French patriots I suspect they are in for a massive shock. 

I have an amusing fact for you. French expats elect their own representatives; in the 11th expat constituency Mme Genetet from the presidential (ex)majority has been reelected easily. She won this vote with a clear majority in all countries of her constituency, with one exception: Thailand. There now is a Facebook group where the whitey French nazi losers are hissing and whingeing because they couldn't get their nazi friend elected. I enjoy reading them.

 

But evidently Thailand has got it all wrong in the kind of expats it attracts..

[Chomper Higgot]

5 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

The results clearly show that a combination of fear mongering and collusion can at least delay the forces of change.  I was listening to the news today and they spoke of a "left coalition" compared to the "far right".  I wonder how many times the phrase "far left" is ever used?

Fear mongering is a central plank of rightwing extremism.

 

Glad you spotted that.

[JonnyF]

11 hours ago, Ben Zioner said:

Funny thing is that French expats have 

I have an amusing fact for you. French expats elect their own representatives; in the 11th expat constituency Mme Genetet from the presidential (ex)majority has been reelected easily. She won this vote with a clear majority in all countries of her constituency, with one exception: Thailand. There now is a Facebook group where the whitey French nazi losers are hissing and whingeing because they couldn't get their nazi friend elected. I enjoy reading them.

 

But evidently Thailand has got it all wrong in the kind of expats it attracts..

 

Like most lefty expats you appear to have limited knowledge of French politics. And throwing the word Nazi around does nothing to make you look more educated. 

 

If you think the extreme left doing well in these elections is a good thing, maybe take a look at Melenchon's stance on Russia and the EU for starters. Or maybe you like anti EU, Putin sympathizers? He is an anti-semite though, so at least it's not all bad for the leftists. 

 

This election puts French politics in a complete mess. The support for Le Pen has been growing for years now and tactical voting against her will only work for so long. The sheer numbers that voted for her party is astounding. It's only a matter of time until she gets power. Until then, expect a complete mess. 

[JonnyF]

13 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

This was neither done secretly (it was all completely out in the open - I read about it days before the second round of voting) nor was it illegal or harmful - in fact I'd say it was highly beneficial to France as a nation. 

 

In which case I'd say you know nothing about French politics. Expect a period of huge turmoil following these results. 

 

In the unlikely event you'd like to learn more, you can watch this decent summary of what's to come.

 

 

[Ben Zioner]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Like most lefty expats you appear to have limited knowledge of French politics. And throwing the word Nazi around does nothing to make you look more educated. 

 

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

In which case I'd say you know nothing about French politics. Expect a period of huge turmoil following these results. 

I'd say you seem insecure about you knowledge of French politics.. 

[JonnyF]

7 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

 

I'd say you seem insecure about you knowledge of French politics.. 

 

Enlighten me about how great this is all going to be for France. 

[Chomper Higgot]

14 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Also being reported on Fox and other right wing sites.  If they're wrong, how about discussing their facts instead of attacking the source?

Fox News, the organization that admitted in court to broadcasting lies.

 

That Fox?