Exit Polls Show France's National Rally Falls Short in Parliamentary Elections

[sqwakvfr]

I was watching France24's coverage of the election and last week they were in a panic.  This week they were relieved. I thought US Media was biased but France24 absolutely hates Marine Le Pen. Today the France24 election panel was discussing the fact that Francois Hollande(blast from the past) was now back in parliamnet.  Can Saroczy run again? 

[Ben Zioner]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Enlighten me about how great this is all going to be for France. 

I won't, as it is sad. The French cornered themselves into having to chose between one group who promotes confiscation of wealth and redistribution to the unproductive and another group who promotes hatred as an answer to all problems. Fortunately the latter didn't prevail. While Macron had most of the answers but didn't stand a chance against the street, covid, wars, etc..

[Peabody]

23 hours ago, impulse said:

If they're wrong, how about discussing their facts instead of attacking the source?

555! If they're wrong, then what do you mean by their facts? Wrong facts?

[RayC]

8 hours ago, Ben Zioner said:

I won't, as it is sad. The French cornered themselves into having to chose between one group who promotes confiscation of wealth and redistribution to the unproductive and another group who promotes hatred as an answer to all problems. Fortunately the latter didn't prevail. While Macron had most of the answers but didn't stand a chance against the street, covid, wars, etc..

 

Obviously COVID, wars, etc affected all politicians' ability to pursue their goals, but even allowing for these events, imo Macron's record will be viewed as mixed at best.

 

Like most politicians, Macron had successes and failures. On the economic front, his liberalisation of the overly restrictive French labour laws could be labelled a success. On the other hand, the imposition of the regressive petrol tax - which led to the rise of the 'Gilets Jaunes' - was unsurprisingly a failure both economically and socially.

 

Macron's foreign policy exploits run a similar course. Imo his hard line against Putin is the morally correct course of action but his criticism of the US, Turkey and others is unnecessary and alienates allies. 

 

However, imo history will ultimately judge Macron on the basis of one event i.e. the calling of this unnecessary election and its' aftermath. Why did he call it? Imo largely because he is an arrogant narcissist, traits which he displayed on numerous previous occasions.

 

I usually agree with @JonnyF about as often as Halley's Comet makes an appearance but, on the occasion, imo he makes some valid points: France is now left in a political mess. It is hard to see how it can be governed effectively until the next presidential election in 2027. It may also be the case that the second round of the Presidency will be a contest between Le Pen and Melenchon. If that happens, France and EU will need all the help it can get.

[riclag]

Some say France has fallen! The new political class of far left socialist & communist have a strong presence in parliament .
 

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/france-election-runoff-results-07-07-24-intl/index.html

 

One hundred years later, let us not forget the history of the victims who do not have a voice because they did not survive the writing of their tales. Most importantly, let us not be tempted to repeat it.

 

The French communist love when 

the masses don’t pay attention to history.

 

 

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/11/20/nicolae-one-hundred-million/

[candide]

3 hours ago, RayC said:

 

Obviously COVID, wars, etc affected all politicians' ability to pursue their goals, but even allowing for these events, imo Macron's record will be viewed as mixed at best.

 

Like most politicians, Macron had successes and failures. On the economic front, his liberalisation of the overly restrictive French labour laws could be labelled a success. On the other hand, the imposition of the regressive petrol tax - which led to the rise of the 'Gilets Jaunes' - was unsurprisingly a failure both economically and socially.

 

Macron's foreign policy exploits run a similar course. Imo his hard line against Putin is the morally correct course of action but his criticism of the US, Turkey and others is unnecessary and alienates allies. 

 

However, imo history will ultimately judge Macron on the basis of one event i.e. the calling of this unnecessary election and its' aftermath. Why did he call it? Imo largely because he is an arrogant narcissist, traits which he displayed on numerous previous occasions.

 

I usually agree with @JonnyF about as often as Halley's Comet makes an appearance but, on the occasion, imo he makes some valid points: France is now left in a political mess. It is hard to see how it can be governed effectively until the next presidential election in 2027. It may also be the case that the second round of the Presidency will be a contest between Le Pen and Melenchon. If that happens, France and EU will need all the help it can get.

Narcissism likely played a role in this decision. However, it is also based on the assessment that it would have been worse to wait more. He may be right or wrong about it.

The current government is also a minority government and could have been censored as soon as next fall.

 

[candide]

16 minutes ago, riclag said:

Some say France has fallen! The new political class of far left socialist & communist have a strong presence in parliament .
 

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/france-election-runoff-results-07-07-24-intl/index.html

 

One hundred years later, let us not forget the history of the victims who do not have a voice because they did not survive the writing of their tales. Most importantly, let us not be tempted to repeat it.

 

The French communist love when 

the masses don’t pay attention to history.

 

 

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/11/20/nicolae-one-hundred-million/

The Communist party has 9 seats in the new house.

[RayC]

3 hours ago, candide said:

Narcissism likely played a role in this decision. However, it is also based on the assessment that it would have been worse to wait more. He may be right or wrong about it.

The current government is also a minority government and could have been censored as soon as next fall.

 

 

Given the extremely poor performance by Ensemble! in the recent European elections, I find it difficult to understand why Macron believed that the French electorate would turn to him in a national election. 

 

While Macron was far short of a majority in the French parliament prior to this recent election, he was able to get some legislation passed by horse trading with some of the Les Républicains MPs and by using Presidential Executive Orders (Article 49.3 provision). Both those options are now off the table.

 

Imo Macron joins an ever increasing list of PMs/ Presidents who have put their own personal ambition before that of the country.

[candide]

49 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

Given the extremely poor performance by Ensemble! in the recent European elections, I find it difficult to understand why Macron believed that the French electorate would turn to him in a national election. 

 

While Macron was far short of a majority in the French parliament prior to this recent election, he was able to get some legislation passed by horse trading with some of the Les Républicains MPs and by using Presidential Executive Orders (Article 49.3 provision). Both those options are now off the table.

 

Imo Macron joins an ever increasing list of PMs/ Presidents who have put their own personal ambition before that of the country.

I don't think he was believing the electorate would turn to him. It was more about limiting damage.