The Democratic Convention and the Gaza Debate: Unity Under Threat

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As the Democratic National Convention opens this week in Chicago, a significant challenge looms that threatens to overshadow the intended unity around Vice President Kamala Harris's nomination for president. While the convention is expected to be a celebration of Harris’s candidacy, following President Joe Biden's unexpected exit from the race in July, tensions within the party regarding the conflict in Gaza may disrupt the anticipated harmony.

 

The Harris campaign has high hopes that the convention will solidify her position as the Democratic nominee and energize the party base ahead of the November election, now just under 80 days away. The convention is set to culminate on Thursday with a primetime speech by Harris, where she will formally accept the party’s nomination. Joining her will be prominent Democratic figures such as President Joe Biden, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, former President Barack Obama, and a lineup of celebrities who will take the stage at the United Center in Chicago to support Harris and deliver sharp critiques of her Republican challenger, former President Donald Trump.

 

Despite these efforts to present a united front, the question of how the Harris campaign and the broader Democratic Party will address the sensitive issue of U.S. policy towards Israel and the ongoing conflict in Gaza remains uncertain. The Harris campaign has not responded to requests for comment on this issue, leaving many to speculate on the direction her campaign might take.

 

The conflict in Gaza escalated dramatically on October 7 when Hamas launched a devastating attack on southern Israel, resulting in approximately 1,200 deaths and 251 hostages taken. In response, Israel initiated a military campaign aimed at dismantling Hamas, leading to significant civilian casualties. Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry reports that more than 40,000 people have been killed since the conflict began. 

 

While Harris embarked on a bus tour of Western Pennsylvania before heading to Chicago, she has yet to articulate a comprehensive policy on Gaza and Israel. Her campaign has primarily focused on economic proposals, but there is growing demand for her to outline her broader policy agenda. Harris has called for a ceasefire and hostage release along with emphasizing the importance of treating protesters with respect at her rallies. She also acknowledged that "far too many" civilians have been killed in the conflict.

 

The Biden administration's handling of the conflict has already sparked dissatisfaction within the Democratic Party. More than 750,000 voters cast "uncommitted" ballots during the Democratic presidential primary earlier this year, rather than supporting any specific candidate, reflecting frustration with the administration's stance. This "uncommitted" vote, concentrated in key swing states like Michigan, poses a potential risk to Democratic unity as the convention unfolds.

 

Although only a small number of delegates at the convention will represent the "uncommitted" vote, their presence is significant. These delegates, many of whom are experienced Democratic organizers, aim to pressure the Harris campaign and the party leadership to adopt a stronger position on Gaza. "We know that this is not a small endeavour. We are challenging a status quo US policy of the past 40 years, and it won’t shift overnight," said Samuel Doten, an "uncommitted" delegate and Democratic organizer.

 

Some "uncommitted" delegates are working to gather support for a letter demanding that Harris and the Democratic Party endorse a ceasefire and impose an arms embargo against Israel. These delegates emphasize that their goal is not to disrupt the convention or the upcoming election, but rather to push for a policy that they believe aligns with the views of many Democratic voters. "There are thousands of voters across the US who voted 'uncommitted,' so it feels like a huge responsibility for us to present their wishes and to make sure that their voices are being heard and amplified in this party," said Adrita Rahman, an "uncommitted" delegate attending the DNC for the first time.

 

The scale and organization of protests during the convention remain uncertain. The largest demonstration is expected on Monday, with organizers predicting "many thousands of people" will participate. Earlier estimates suggested that as many as 100,000 protesters could take to the streets, but this figure has since been revised down to "many, many thousands" for the Gaza demonstration on Monday and "tens of thousands" by the end of the week. Harris initially garnered some support from Gaza protesters by being one of the first members of the Biden administration to call for a ceasefire and adopt a more critical stance towards Israel and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

 

However, this goodwill appears to be fading, with many protesters and delegates expressing disappointment at the lack of a concrete policy position from Harris. "I think the people inside the DNC need to know that they have some very unpopular policies. We're here to tell them," said protester Irene Alikakos during the week's first protest on Sunday, which saw a few hundred people gather near Chicago's Trump Tower.

 

This protest occurred just before President Biden delivered his primetime address, in which he is expected to highlight his accomplishments and stress the importance of the upcoming election. The timing of the DNC also coincides with a crucial week for U.S.-mediated ceasefire talks, a key initiative in the final months of the Biden administration. Secretary of State Antony Blinken arrived in Israel on Sunday and is scheduled to continue to Cairo, where a decision on the ceasefire talks is anticipated. The Biden White House has indicated that the negotiations are in their "final" stages, adding further complexity to Harris's position.

 

As a current member of the U.S. administration, Harris faces significant challenges in diverging from President Biden’s position on Gaza, particularly with the ceasefire talks nearing a conclusion. Some of Harris's close advisors suggest that a significant policy shift is unlikely. Halie Soifer, who served as Harris's national security adviser in the Senate and now leads the Jewish Democratic Council of America, stated that there is "no daylight between” Harris’s views and Biden’s. "Her policy, which is the policy of this White House, is not changing," Soifer said.

 

In the coming days, the Democratic National Convention will serve as both a platform for unity and a test of how the party navigates internal divisions over one of the most contentious issues in American foreign policy. Whether the Harris campaign can maintain the party's cohesion while addressing the deep concerns of its progressive wing remains to be seen. As the convention unfolds, the Democratic Party faces the challenge of presenting a united front in the face of growing dissent over its approach to the Gaza conflict.

 

Credit: BBC  2024-08-20

 

 

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[nobodysfriend]

4 hours ago, Social Media said:

the question of how the Harris campaign and the broader Democratic Party will address the sensitive issue of U.S. policy towards Israel and the ongoing conflict in Gaza remains uncertain.

 

It is difficult to understand why the US is funding a genocide .

Once elected , she should immediately stop providing weapons , arms , and intelligence to Israel . What does the US get in exchange for all those billions ?

Nethanyahu and his cronies are no real friends , but receive favorable treatment for whatever they want . Why ?

Don't make America complicit in crimes against humanity .

Nethanyahu and co will have arrest warrants against them issued by the ICC , soon .

At least let the pursue their inhumane and destructive policies ALONE .

Btw , Hamas is not better , and should be dissolved definitely , but not by the murder of women and kids , bombs on schools and shelters , hospitals etc , etc ...

[mdr224]

5 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

It is difficult to understand why the US is funding a genocide .

Once elected , she should immediately stop providing weapons , arms , and intelligence to Israel . What does the US get in exchange for all those billions ?

Nethanyahu and his cronies are no real friends , but receive favorable treatment for whatever they want . Why ?

Don't make America complicit in crimes against humanity .

Nethanyahu and co will have arrest warrants against them issued by the ICC , soon .

At least let the pursue their inhumane and destructive policies ALONE .

Btw , Hamas is not better , and should be dissolved definitely , but not by the murder of women and kids , bombs on schools and shelters , hospitals etc , etc ...

Why does the left want to virtue signal for islam? Their ideology is not compatible with western values. After they destroy israel they will come for america next

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, mdr224 said:

Why does the left want to virtue signal for islam? Their ideology is not compatible with western values. After they destroy israel they will come for america next

There are 2.3 ( less now ) million Palestinians in Gaza, they only have rifles and RPGs. How are they "coming for America" exactly?

 

Perhaps compassionate people dislike children being blown up by bombs provided by the US. They would feel the same if it was Buddhists, or Christians.

[mdr224]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

There are 2.3 ( less now ) million Palestinians in Gaza, they only have rifles and RPGs. How are they "coming for America" exactly?

 

Perhaps compassionate people dislike children being blown up by bombs provided by the US. They would feel the same if it was Buddhists, or Christians.

Palestinians are the unfortunate meat shields for hamas. Its not their fault and its not israels fault either. Regardless, all arabs in the middle east want jews dead, not just jews either they want all whites dead. Any woman whos not wearing a hijab they want dead. I sympathize for jews unfortunately they located themselves surrounded by the enemy.

Edited August 20 by mdr224

[thaibeachlovers]

10 minutes ago, mdr224 said:

Palestinians are the unfortunate meat shields for hamas. Its not their fault and its not israels fault either. Regardless, all arabs in the middle east want jews dead, not just jews either they want all whites dead. Any woman whos not wearing a hijab they want dead. I sympathize for jews unfortunately they located themselves surrounded by the enemy.

Luckily that is 100% wrong or they'd have killed me in Saudi. I worked there for years.

[mdr224]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Luckily that is 100% wrong or they'd have killed me in Saudi. I worked there for years.

Try going to palestine or iran. The leftists in the country virtue signal for them but we all know they do it from the comfort of their developed nation

[JonnyF]

Harris is going to have to come out of hiding at some point and make her position clear.

 

Being a radical leftist I'd imagine she is hugely Pro Palestine, but she might want to remember that starting a war and then subsequently getting your derriere handed to you does not make Palestine a victim. 

[MalcolmB]

52 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

Don't make America complicit in crimes against humanity .

100% it does.

They are USA bombs paid by USA taxpayers that are being dropped on little kids in Gaza. Everyone talks about the 17,000 dead kids, but there is also 50,000 maimed kids many of which are operated on with no pain relief drugs.

 

The USA  knows this but seem more interested in talking about Kamala’s laugh or Donald’s sex life with porno stars. They are barbaric animals while somehow believing they have the moral high ground.

 

It is absurd.

[mdr224]

2 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

100% it does.

They are USA bombs paid by USA taxpayers that are being dropped on little kids in Gaza. Everyone talks about the 17,000 dead kids, but there is also 50,000 maimed kids many of which are operated on with no pain relief drugs.

 

The USA  knows this but seem more interested in talking about Kamala’s laugh or Donald’s sex life with porno stars. They are barbaric animals while somehow believing they have the moral high ground.

 

It is absurd.

Source?

[MalcolmB]

50 minutes ago, mdr224 said:

After they destroy israel they will come for america next

I wouldn’t be shedding any tears.

 

However it won’t happen, Israel and the USA have too many weapons, it is physically impossible and just scaremongering nonsense to claim that is what will happen. It won’t.

[mdr224]

3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I wouldn’t be shedding any tears.

 

However it won’t happen, Israel and the USA have too many weapons, it is physically impossible and just scaremongering nonsense to claim that is what will happen. It won’t.

Regardless, leftists dont seem to realize that america does have enemies. Islam is not compatible with western values. People in iran see hollywood movies and are filled with hate for the west. They want israel and america to burn, and leftists are enabling them

Edited August 20 by mdr224

[MalcolmB]

6 minutes ago, mdr224 said:

Regardless, leftists dont seem to realize that america does have enemies. Islam is not compatible with western values. People in iran see hollywood movies and are filled with hate for the west. They want israel and america to burn, and leftists are enabling them

Not all Muslims care about the west. Living in the south of Thailand I come across many and they are not obsessed at all and are more concerned about just living their lives, getting their kids to school, running their small businesses.

 

There seems to be a higher percentage of the blood thirsty, gun toting, idiotic Americans who obsess about eliminated all Muslims. And it is the American government who goes in and slaughters hundreds of thousands of them in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria etc and destroying their homes and businesses, not the other way around apart from one or two attacks by small groups of redial terrorists.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, mdr224 said:

Try going to palestine or iran. The leftists in the country virtue signal for them but we all know they do it from the comfort of their developed nation

Iranians are not Arabs.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, mdr224 said:

Source?

Seriously?

If you don't know that the US is supplying israel with bombs that they drop on children, should you even be posting on this topic?

[mdr224]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seriously?

If you don't know that the US is supplying israel with bombs that they drop on children, should you even be posting on this topic?

Statistics with no source gets a question mark from me

[ChicagoExpat]

3 hours ago, mdr224 said:

Statistics with no source gets a question mark from me

The true part of his statement is that we supply Israel with arms, that's pretty well known.  The false part of it is characterizing it as "bombs they drop on children."

[ChicagoExpat]

6 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

I wouldn’t be shedding any tears.

You're a real pig, MalcolmB.

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, ChicagoExpat said:

You're a real pig, MalcolmB.

And you are a real hypocrite 

 

Indeed Israel and the the USA have killed more people in than any other country .

 

That is the reality. How many have been slaughtered this week?

We are better off without them, the dead are gone and the survivors are full of hate and grief.

So who are the real pigs?

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, ChicagoExpat said:

The true part of his statement is that we supply Israel with arms, that's pretty well known.  The false part of it is characterizing it as "bombs they drop on children."

Nice weasel word that “characterizing” 

It is happening 

Everyday. Your bombs.

 

 

[ChicagoExpat]

20 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

And you are a real hypocrite 

 

Indeed Israel and the the USA have killed more people in than any other country .

 

That is the reality. How many have been slaughtered this week?

We are better off without them, the dead are gone and the survivors are full of hate and grief.

So who are the real pigs?

What an incredibly stupid comment, demonstrably untrue:  "Indeed Israel and the the USA have killed more people in than any other country"

 

I'm only a hypocrite if I myself celebrate the potential deaths of hundreds of millions of people and then criticize you for it.

 

You're a pig and a idiot who needs both a dictionary and a general education about history.

[ChicagoExpat]

20 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Nice weasel word that “characterizing” 

It is happening 

Everyday. Your bombs.

 

 

Right.  You also need a dictionary to look up "characterizing."  You're a sad, ignorant, hateful little man.

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Right.  You also need a dictionary to look up "characterizing."  You're a sad, ignorant, hateful little man.

Is the United States the country that has killed the most people in history?

 

 

 

The US has likely killed 40-50 million, likely on the lower end, in it’s entire 245 year History, as Explained here, which Translates to 160-200k a year!

How many people has America has killed in all wars in different countries?

Iraq- from 100,000 to 1 million deaths, depending on which estimate you go by.

Afghanistan-very difficult to say. The Pentagon refuses to count civilian deaths anymore.

Gulf War- most estimates around 50,000 deaths.

Central America- US supported dictatorships and the terrorist Contras killed over 300,000 in the 1980s. 200,000 of that was in Guatemala, an outright genocide vs Mayan Indians that Reagan backed with weapons, money, and training. In El Salvador, the US also bombed the nation from US bases in the Panama Canal Zone. So US responsibility for these atrocities is shared with the dictatorships. 

Vietnam- at least 1 million, some estimates double that. This includes by chemical warfare, Agent Orange and napalm, and also with mass torture, the Phoenix Program that killed at least 20,000.

Cambodia- 500-600,000 deaths. Some scholars argue what Nixon did constituted genocide. The Khmer Rouge also came to power because of Nixon and was later supported by Reagan.

US overthrows of other nations in the Cold War- difficult to add up but very high. Ass'n of Responsible Dissent, made up of former CIA agents, estimated 6 million deaths. In just one case, Indonesia in 1965, there were a half million deaths. Here blame is shared with the various dictator clients.

WWII- As Mr. Malik pointed out, here we are talking a defensive war, one against an undeniably evil enemy. So to lay blame on the US is false and unethical.
The three areas where the US gov't does share some blame is refusing to try to halt the Holocaust. The US could have offered refuge, or bombed bridges and railroad depots. Potentially one tenth of the deaths may have been halted.
The US also targeted German and Japanese civilians, killing at least 300,000, plus some civilians in occupied nations. These are not accidental deaths, but a deliberate policy of killing defense industry workers.
And the A bombs dropped on civilians, killing nearly 300,000. Most military men argued vs using the A bomb. Most scholars now agree it did not end or shorten the war. Japan surrendered because of the Soviets entering the war.

WWI-Neither side in this war were ethical, so how to lay blame? 

Philippines War- caused far more deaths than the Spanish American War. The lowest estimates are 200,000, including the use of concentration camps and waterboarding. Some estimates as high as 1 million.

"Indian" Wars- almost in all cases, US aggression. Worst than that was the starvation tactics, deliberate mass killing of the buffalo by the US gov't, which is an element of genocide.
The Native population in what is now the US was between 12 and 18 million in 1492. By 1900 it was 200,000. Most of those deaths were in colonial times, so blame mostly goes to the British.
Some believe in a form of genocide denial, blaming disease as "accidental." First, disease was sometimes deliberately spread. It was also more devastating because of deliberate starvation tactics. (See above.). And finally, if one goes into an area knowing people will die because you spread disease, you are guilty of their deaths. Even before Europeans and white Americans knew about germs, they saw and knew the obvious, that they brought diseases and spread them to Natives and Pacific Islanders. They were just as culpable as an AIDS infected person having unprotected sex would be today.

Civil War- here the blame should be solely on the Confederate aggressors who began the war. But they were legally still US citizens. 500,000 is the most widely used estimate.

California Indian Genocide- 120,000 to 300,000 deaths during the Gold Rush, including widespread enslavement of Indians. These were mostly done by vigilante miners' militias.

US Mexico War- 30,000 deaths.

War of 1812- 12,000 deaths. In both these wars, the US was the aggressor.

Slavery- deaths by the crushing of slave revolts should certainly count.

Edited August 21 by MalcolmB

[ChicagoExpat]

16 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Is the United States the country that has killed the most people in history?

 

I looked up your Quora post -- putting aside we're ACTUALLY trying to use some random guy on Quora as our authoritative source -- I won't dignify your garbage post beyond picking apart a few of the more obvious lies, everything from blaming all deaths for any way the U.S. has ever been in for any reason on the U.S. to stuff the U.S. knew about to stuff the U.S. had nothing to do with. (War of 1812?  deaths in countries by foreign governments that the U.S. "supported" -- however that is measured?  THE HOLOCAUST?)

 

More than the Chinese -- Mao alone killed 40-50 million  in just a few years and they have a 3000 year history, as any Chinese will tell you.  More than the Russians?  More than the Arabs?  More than the Persians?  More than the Mongols?

 

You're a hate-filled 🤡, Malcolm, and an ignoramus of history.  Stop relying on sh!tposters on the internet with obvious political agendas and read a book.

 

You're also the guy who claims to need an extra room in his house for the enormous quantity of awards you've received since childhood.  🤣  Maybe one of the hookers you admit to employing will get you self-awareness as a birthday present.

[MalcolmB]

19 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

I looked up your Quora post -- putting aside we're ACTUALLY trying to use some random guy on Quora as our authoritative source -- I won't dignify your garbage post beyond picking apart a few of the more obvious lies, everything from blaming all deaths for any way the U.S. has ever been in for any reason on the U.S. to stuff the U.S. knew about to stuff the U.S. had nothing to do with. (War of 1812?  deaths in countries by foreign governments that the U.S. "supported" -- however that is measured?  THE HOLOCAUST?)

 

More than the Chinese -- Mao alone killed 40-50 million  in just a few years and they have a 3000 year history, as any Chinese will tell you.  More than the Russians?  More than the Arabs?  More than the Persians?  More than the Mongols?

 

You're a hate-filled 🤡, Malcolm, and an ignoramus of history.  Stop relying on sh!tposters on the internet with obvious political agendas and read a book.

 

You're also the guy who claims to need an extra room in his house for the enormous quantity of awards you've received since childhood.  🤣  Maybe one of the hookers you admit to employing will get you self-awareness as a birthday present.

Well I have obviously hit a sensitive nerve with you.

If it is not the USA that has killed the most people since WW2 could you please enlighten me to who it actually is. 
Not including all the bombs you provide other countries to such as Israel to do the dirty work for you.

 

I will await your answer.

[ChicagoExpat]

15 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Well I have obviously hit a sensitive nerve with you.

If it is not the USA that has killed the most people since WW2 could you please enlighten me to who it actually is. 
Not including all the bombs you provide other countries to such as Israel to do the dirty work for you.

 

I will await your answer.

Wow, you've been awaiting my answer for 15 hours?  Geez, I'm sorry to have kept you waiting all that time.  At least I hope you were in your awards room, surrounded by the many accolades you've received throughout your life.  I never would have guessed that one of the world's Most Accomplished Men would end up on a pension in a Surat Thani hovel, occasionally comforted by a poxed underage local, but you never know what you'll learn on this forum.

 

I think the nerve you hit was my bullsh!t detector.

 

1) Sorry, accepting a false choice isn't part of how I deal with bigots and trolls.  I don't need to provide an answer to a question asked in bad faith in order to point out it was asked in bad faith.

 

2) I actually did give you some options above.  This comes back to a problem I have pointed out before -- you don't read.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Is the United States the country that has killed the most people in history?

 

 

 

The US has likely killed 40-50 million, likely on the lower end, in it’s entire 245 year History, as Explained here, which Translates to 160-200k a year!

How many people has America has killed in all wars in different countries?

Iraq- from 100,000 to 1 million deaths, depending on which estimate you go by.

Afghanistan-very difficult to say. The Pentagon refuses to count civilian deaths anymore.

Gulf War- most estimates around 50,000 deaths.

Central America- US supported dictatorships and the terrorist Contras killed over 300,000 in the 1980s. 200,000 of that was in Guatemala, an outright genocide vs Mayan Indians that Reagan backed with weapons, money, and training. In El Salvador, the US also bombed the nation from US bases in the Panama Canal Zone. So US responsibility for these atrocities is shared with the dictatorships. 

Vietnam- at least 1 million, some estimates double that. This includes by chemical warfare, Agent Orange and napalm, and also with mass torture, the Phoenix Program that killed at least 20,000.

Cambodia- 500-600,000 deaths. Some scholars argue what Nixon did constituted genocide. The Khmer Rouge also came to power because of Nixon and was later supported by Reagan.

US overthrows of other nations in the Cold War- difficult to add up but very high. Ass'n of Responsible Dissent, made up of former CIA agents, estimated 6 million deaths. In just one case, Indonesia in 1965, there were a half million deaths. Here blame is shared with the various dictator clients.

WWII- As Mr. Malik pointed out, here we are talking a defensive war, one against an undeniably evil enemy. So to lay blame on the US is false and unethical.
The three areas where the US gov't does share some blame is refusing to try to halt the Holocaust. The US could have offered refuge, or bombed bridges and railroad depots. Potentially one tenth of the deaths may have been halted.
The US also targeted German and Japanese civilians, killing at least 300,000, plus some civilians in occupied nations. These are not accidental deaths, but a deliberate policy of killing defense industry workers.
And the A bombs dropped on civilians, killing nearly 300,000. Most military men argued vs using the A bomb. Most scholars now agree it did not end or shorten the war. Japan surrendered because of the Soviets entering the war.

WWI-Neither side in this war were ethical, so how to lay blame? 

Philippines War- caused far more deaths than the Spanish American War. The lowest estimates are 200,000, including the use of concentration camps and waterboarding. Some estimates as high as 1 million.

"Indian" Wars- almost in all cases, US aggression. Worst than that was the starvation tactics, deliberate mass killing of the buffalo by the US gov't, which is an element of genocide.
The Native population in what is now the US was between 12 and 18 million in 1492. By 1900 it was 200,000. Most of those deaths were in colonial times, so blame mostly goes to the British.
Some believe in a form of genocide denial, blaming disease as "accidental." First, disease was sometimes deliberately spread. It was also more devastating because of deliberate starvation tactics. (See above.). And finally, if one goes into an area knowing people will die because you spread disease, you are guilty of their deaths. Even before Europeans and white Americans knew about germs, they saw and knew the obvious, that they brought diseases and spread them to Natives and Pacific Islanders. They were just as culpable as an AIDS infected person having unprotected sex would be today.

Civil War- here the blame should be solely on the Confederate aggressors who began the war. But they were legally still US citizens. 500,000 is the most widely used estimate.

California Indian Genocide- 120,000 to 300,000 deaths during the Gold Rush, including widespread enslavement of Indians. These were mostly done by vigilante miners' militias.

US Mexico War- 30,000 deaths.

War of 1812- 12,000 deaths. In both these wars, the US was the aggressor.

Slavery- deaths by the crushing of slave revolts should certainly count.

Thanks for posting that. It makes for disturbing reading.

[ChicagoExpat]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Thanks for posting that. It makes for disturbing reading.

Fiction often is disturbing.

[MalcolmB]

2 hours ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Wow, you've been awaiting my answer for 15 hours?  Geez, I'm sorry to have kept you waiting all that time.  At least I hope you were in your awards room, surrounded by the many accolades you've received throughout your life.  I never would have guessed that one of the world's Most Accomplished Men would end up on a pension in a Surat Thani hovel, occasionally comforted by a poxed underage local, but you never know what you'll learn on this forum.

 

I think the nerve you hit was my bullsh!t detector.

 

1) Sorry, accepting a false choice isn't part of how I deal with bigots and trolls.  I don't need to provide an answer to a question asked in bad faith in order to point out it was asked in bad faith.

 

2) I actually did give you some options above.  This comes back to a problem I have pointed out before -- you don't read.

Brilliant piece of whataboutism that one.

Mentioned everything except the millions of dead.

[MalcolmB]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Thanks for posting that. It makes for disturbing reading.

Bloody terrible isn’t it.

And they somehow have convinced themselves they hold the high ground and nobody should mention it. 
An inconvenient truth.