Harris chickens out of extra debates

[Will B Good]

17 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

At her direction. And why she thought she had the evidence to prosecute a man who was actually innocent, only she will know.

 

Sounds like the blame lies with the defence.

[georgegeorgia]

I wonder who will take over the World's Superpower when she hopefully defunds the military 

 

 

[Cameroni]

26 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Sounds like the blame lies with the defence.

 

Definitely the defense was at fault too, however, the prosecution too for pursuing the case against an innocent man. And later for preventing new DNA evidence from being admitted.

 

Consider also Jamal Trulove, who was sentenced to 50 years in prison after he was framed by police for the 2007 shooting of his friend Seu Kuka. Again Kamala secured the conviction.

 

Trulove was acquitted in a 2015 retrial. 

 

Three years after his exoneration, Trulove sued the police department and four officers saying they fabricated evidence, coerced a key eyewitness and withheld vital information that may have exonerated Trulove.

 

A federal jury determined the two lead homicide detectives had violated Trulove's civil rights and awarded him $14.5 million. 

 

This was the evidence Kamala Harris used to get Trulove convicted. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13750465/actor-wrongfully-convicted-kamala-harris-taunt.html

 

It would appear far from being a great achievement, Kamala Harris' stint as a DA was a litany of failures and she was part of a broken justice system.

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Definitely the defense was at fault too, however, the prosecution too for pursuing the case against an innocent man. And later for preventing new DNA evidence from being admitted.

 

Consider also Jamal Trulove, who was sentenced to 50 years in prison after he was framed by police for the 2007 shooting of his friend Seu Kuka. Again Kamala secured the conviction.

 

Trulove was acquitted in a 2015 retrial. 

 

Three years after his exoneration, Trulove sued the police department and four officers saying they fabricated evidence, coerced a key eyewitness and withheld vital information that may have exonerated Trulove.

 

A federal jury determined the two lead homicide detectives had violated Trulove's civil rights and awarded him $14.5 million. 

 

This was the evidence Kamala Harris used to get Trulove convicted. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13750465/actor-wrongfully-convicted-kamala-harris-taunt.html

 

It would appear far from being a great achievement, Kamala Harris' stint as a DA was a litany of failures and she was part of a broken justice system.

 

So the four police officers were to blame.....or are you accusing KH of colluding with them to fabricate evidence.....quite a serious accusation to make...... even on forum like this.

[Irish star]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

At her direction. And why she thought she had the evidence to prosecute a man who was actually innocent, only she will know.

 

What's worse, she then battled tooth and nail to prevent new DNA evidence being admitted that would have exonerated Mr Cooper.

 

"I think a lawsplainer is in order about Harris' efforts as AG to prevent an appeals court from considering DNA evidence that would have exonerated a man on death row."

"Her office litigated aggressively against allowing that evidence to be considered in federal litigation to say his execution date.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-cooper-death-row-case-california-san-francisco-prosecutor-attorney-general-1929773

 

Only her , how many prosecutors have locked away the innocent 

[Cameroni]

16 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

So the four police officers were to blame.....or are you accusing KH of colluding with them to fabricate evidence.....quite a serious accusation to make...... even on forum like this.

 

Kamala Harris obviously failed to evaluate the evidence correctly and was easily misled by 4 minor police officers providing her with faked evidence. Either she colluded or she's hopelessly incompetent. Do we really want a woman with the finger on the button who is misled by 4 relatively uneducated police offiers? If it's so easy for four policemen to fool her, how much more for experienced politicians and diplomats?

 

 

[Irish star]

5 hours ago, maesariang said:

No interviews

1 debate

 

That is disrespectful to the public. The election is about the people. Politicians work for the people. She cant even answer basic policy questions. 

Obviously you couldn’t get your WiFi to pick up any of the DNC , that Quanesque , tune into Tik Tok , Faux is even thrown Trump under the Bus 

[Irish star]

3 hours ago, maesariang said:

Good decision.

Avoiding You , yes 

[Cameroni]

5 minutes ago, Irish star said:

Only her , how many prosecutors have locked away the innocent 

 

Well quite, the US would appear to have a broken justice system, and Kamala Harris was an integral part of this failed justice system.

 

That's the whole point though, when election time nears there is bound to be some real scrutiny of her record as a DA, even if it's just because the Trump camp will push it on the agenda with millions of ads. 

 

And frankly her stint as a DA was far from the stellar legal performance some might think. There's plenty of stuff there to discredit Harris as incompetent.

[Irish star]

3 hours ago, maesariang said:

Be more happy with a better economy. Your posts are weird.

That’s a Dem terminology, where did you find that misdial on your ham radio 

[Irish star]

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well quite, the US would appear to have a broken justice system, and Kamala Harris was an integral part of this failed justice system.

 

That's the whole point though, when election time nears there is bound to be some real scrutiny of her record as a DA, even if it's just because the Trump camp will push it on the agenda with millions of ads. 

 

And frankly her stint as a DA was far from the stellar legal performance some might think. There's plenty of stuff there to discredit Harris as incompetent.

Well she will legalize ganja federally ,so they don’t have to go down that street again 

[Will B Good]

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Kamala Harris obviously failed to evaluate the evidence correctly and was easily misled by 4 minor police officers providing her with faked evidence. Either she colluded or she's hopelessly incompetent. Do we really want a woman with the finger on the button who is misled by 4 relatively uneducated police offiers? If it's so easy for four policemen to fool her, how much more for experienced politicians and diplomats?

 

 

 

 

It is the prosecutor's responsibility to re-investigate a crime to check the evidence presented by the police.....REALLY???

[Irish star]

20 hours ago, maesariang said:

2 hours you have been given. You still can't list the names of any polling companies. That is an epic fail. Bye. Not worth talking to. 2 hours still no data.

Dominion 

[Will B Good]

20 hours ago, maesariang said:

2 hours you have been given. You still can't list the names of any polling companies. That is an epic fail. Bye. Not worth talking to. 2 hours still no data.

 

 

Two days you've had to provide a link or evidence....THAT is an epic fail.

[newnative]

     Harris is super smart to just do the one agreed to debate.  She likely knows full well that Trump doesn't actually debate--look at that clown show with Biden when he just regurgitated parts of his stump speech rather than answer the debate questions.  Total farce.  I'm sure Harris thinks one of his clown shows is quite enough to have to suffer through.   She's right.

[Cameroni]

11 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

It is the prosecutor's responsibility to re-investigate a crime to check the evidence presented by the police.....REALLY???

 

It was Kamala Harris responsibility, as the prosecuting attorney, to evaluate the quality of the evidence. Of course. She failed miserably in the case of Mr Trulove.

[Will B Good]

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

It was Kamala Harris responsibility, as the prosecuting attorney, to evaluate the quality of the evidence. Of course. She failed miserably in the case of Mr Trulove.

 

 

Huge difference between evaluate and reinvestigate.....presumably the defence, the judge and the jury were all fooled by police officers false testimony.......I really don't see what she was supposed to do? Dispute evidence presented by law enforcement???? That is totally the responsibility of the defence. 

[Cameroni]

3 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Huge difference between evaluate and reinvestigate.....presumably the defence, the judge and the jury were all fooled by police officers false testimony.......I really don't see what she was supposed to do? Dispute evidence presented by law enforcement???? That is totally the responsibility of the defence. 

 

That's a fair point, but prosecutors also have means at their disposal to investigate, and they do use them. Kamala Harris was served with fabricated evidence and was unable to figure out that it was fabricated. And this was just four police officers. How easy will it be for hardened political operators or secret service agents or diplomats to pull the wool over Kamala's eyes? When she can't even figure out when four police officers are playing her?

[Will B Good]

14 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

It was Kamala Harris responsibility, as the prosecuting attorney, to evaluate the quality of the evidence. Of course. She failed miserably in the case of Mr Trulove.

 

 

In the case of Jamal Trulove, the actual prosecution in court was led by Assistant District Attorney (ADA) Linda Allen from the San Francisco District Attorney’s Office. She was the prosecutor during the original trial in 2010, where Jamal Trulove was wrongfully convicted of murder.

 

However, it’s important to note that this case became highly controversial after Trulove’s conviction was overturned in 2014 due to prosecutorial misconduct. The appeals court found that ADA Linda Allen had allowed a witness to give false testimony and failed to correct it, which was a key factor in the wrongful conviction. Trulove was acquitted in a retrial in 2015, and he later won a civil lawsuit against the City of San Francisco for $13.1 million.

[Cameroni]

15 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

In the case of Jamal Trulove, the actual prosecution in court was led by Assistant District Attorney (ADA) Linda Allen from the San Francisco District Attorney’s Office. She was the prosecutor during the original trial in 2010, where Jamal Trulove was wrongfully convicted of murder.

 

However, it’s important to note that this case became highly controversial after Trulove’s conviction was overturned in 2014 due to prosecutorial misconduct. The appeals court found that ADA Linda Allen had allowed a witness to give false testimony and failed to correct it, which was a key factor in the wrongful conviction. Trulove was acquitted in a retrial in 2015, and he later won a civil lawsuit against the City of San Francisco for $13.1 million.

Linda Allen was a prosecutor working under Kamala Harris. Looks like Harris threw her under the bus to save her own skin following the Trulove debacle:

 

In reviewing Trulove’s story, Pappert pointed out how multiple staff members under Harris’ leadership as district attorney seem to have hit “brick walls” or “gone dark” in their careers upon working for the now-vice president.

“Linda Allen seemed to have a great career before she went to work for Kamala Harris and prosecuted [Trulove’s] case. She seemed to be an up-and-comer in California, especially as a public lawyer. But when this case happened, she seemed to have been sort of thrown under the bus. 

 

Pappert also identified Larry Wallace, another individual who worked for Harris when she was San Francisco’s district attorney. Wallace also seemed to have hit a “brick wall” in his career after working for Harris.

“It is an interesting pattern with Kamala Harris when people in her, not that ancient of history, seem to have gone dark. So this individual, Larry Wallace, is now retired or so says his online profiles, but he continues to coach basketball. So we’re trying to get in touch with him. I would say it is interesting that he was, I believe, a 16 year police veteran. He then worked for the Department of Justice He then worked for Kamala Harris, and it wasn’t until working for Kamala Harris that his career seemed to meet a brick wall,” Pappert said.

 

Regarding the Trulove case, Pappert went on to point out that all scenarios in which Harris may have been involved in the case reflect negatively on her as a leader.

 

“The real question here is: Was Kamala essentially abandoning her job duties and allowing this office and the people working in it to operate without her oversight? Or was she directly involved in this, and therefore knew what Linda Allen was doing that was apparently improper in this case? I think those are the two options,” Pappert explained.

 

“Either Kamala Harris is a leader who doesn’t keep track of what her people are doing, or she’s a leader who potentially instructs her people to do the wrong thing. Either way, I don’t think we want that person to be in the Oval Office,” Pappert added.

 

https://michaelpatrickleahy.com/tom-pappert-explains-kamala-harris-role-in-the-case-of-a-san-francisco-man-wrongfully-convicted-of-murder/

[Danderman123]

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/virginia/trump-vs-harris

 

Looks bad for Trump in Virginia.

[Will B Good]

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Linda Allen was a prosecutor working under Kamala Harris. Looks like Harris threw her under the bus to save her own skin following the Trulove debacle:

 

In reviewing Trulove’s story, Pappert pointed out how multiple staff members under Harris’ leadership as district attorney seem to have hit “brick walls” or “gone dark” in their careers upon working for the now-vice president.

“Linda Allen seemed to have a great career before she went to work for Kamala Harris and prosecuted [Trulove’s] case. She seemed to be an up-and-comer in California, especially as a public lawyer. But when this case happened, she seemed to have been sort of thrown under the bus. 

 

Pappert also identified Larry Wallace, another individual who worked for Harris when she was San Francisco’s district attorney. Wallace also seemed to have hit a “brick wall” in his career after working for Harris.

“It is an interesting pattern with Kamala Harris when people in her, not that ancient of history, seem to have gone dark. So this individual, Larry Wallace, is now retired or so says his online profiles, but he continues to coach basketball. So we’re trying to get in touch with him. I would say it is interesting that he was, I believe, a 16 year police veteran. He then worked for the Department of Justice He then worked for Kamala Harris, and it wasn’t until working for Kamala Harris that his career seemed to meet a brick wall,” Pappert said.

 

Regarding the Trulove case, Pappert went on to point out that all scenarios in which Harris may have been involved in the case reflect negatively on her as a leader.

 

“The real question here is: Was Kamala essentially abandoning her job duties and allowing this office and the people working in it to operate without her oversight? Or was she directly involved in this, and therefore knew what Linda Allen was doing that was apparently improper in this case? I think those are the two options,” Pappert explained.

 

“Either Kamala Harris is a leader who doesn’t keep track of what her people are doing, or she’s a leader who potentially instructs her people to do the wrong thing. Either way, I don’t think we want that person to be in the Oval Office,” Pappert added.

 

https://michaelpatrickleahy.com/tom-pappert-explains-kamala-harris-role-in-the-case-of-a-san-francisco-man-wrongfully-convicted-of-murder/

 

 

She had 70 asst DAs under her .......you think she became directly involved and managed this one particular case because....????

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/virginia/trump-vs-harris

 

Looks bad for Trump in Virginia.

 

 

These polls don't count.........they only count when it reads: Trump 48%, Harris 44%

[Cameroni]

18 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

She had 70 asst DAs under her .......you think she became directly involved and managed this one particular case because....????

 

Harris herself has made much of her prosecutorial credentials and is on public record for this. So her record as a prosecutor will play a major part in the election soon.

 

In the case of Trulove there are two possibilities:

 

1) Former star attorney Linda Allen was really that incompetent and Kamala Harris did not play any role and was negligent in not exercising the supervisory role which her office demanded, or

 

2) Kamala Harris was well appraised of developments by her junior attorney Linda Allen, but did not take the appropriate steps.

 

Either way, her record leading the prosecution team is extremely poor.

 

Unfortunately, Trump is clumsily overexaggerating the attacks with his characteristic disregard for honesty, and thus Harris has escaped so far easily real scrutiny of her poor prosecution record. This will surely change.

 

 

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2024-08-22/kamala-harris-prosecutor-dnc-convention-california-attorney-general-san-francisco-harry-litman

 

“But we were also very critical of Kamala taking a punitive-first approach,” Hollins continued, recalling Harris’ stance on school truancy. As DA, Harris championed state legislation that threatened jail time for parents if their children were repeatedly absent.

 

As DA and AG, Harris was also criticized for defending convictions in cases where there was evidence of innocence and prosecutorial misconduct; opposing legislation to require AG investigations into police shootings; defending the prison system in civil rights litigation, as the state’s top lawyer and clashing with sex worker rights’ groups. She declined to seek the death penalty as SFDA, but then as AG fought against a challenge to capital punishment.

 

Jeralynn Brown-Blueford’s 18-year-old son was killed by an Oakland police officer in 2012, and after the local DA declined to file charges, her family advocated for then AG Harris to intervene, but the officer was never prosecuted.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/24/kamala-harris-california-record-election

 

Edited August 23 by Cameroni

[jerrymahoney]

23 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

In the case of Trulove there are two possibilities:

Just to note that the linked LA Times article does not contain the name "Trulove".

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

Just to note that the linked LA Times article does not contain the name "Trulove".

Yes, that article supports the initial sentence that her prosecutorial record will become of paramount importance in this election.

 

For more details on the Trulove case, you can read about it here

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13750465/actor-wrongfully-convicted-kamala-harris-taunt.html

 

https://michaelpatrickleahy.com/tom-pappert-explains-kamala-harris-role-in-the-case-of-a-san-francisco-man-wrongfully-convicted-of-murder/

[jerrymahoney]

From the 14 AUG 2024 Tom Pappert article quoting Prof. Kline on the Trulove case:

 

Still, Kline maintained, “It is too simple of a conclusion to say her office is at fault,” because it’s unclear whether Harris or Allen “had knowledge of the existence of this information,” or whether the police officers involved also hid the information from the prosecuting attorneys.

 

Kline nonetheless told Leahy that questions over potential evidence would have “generally” surfaced for Harris or Allen when interviewing officers and preparing the case for trial.

 

https://tennesseestar.com/kamalafare/man-wrongly-convicted-of-murder-under-kamala-harris-im-going-with-donald-trump-in-2024/tpappert/2024/08/14/?swcfpc=1

 

 

[Cameroni]

3 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

From the 14 AUG 2024 Tom Pappert article quoting Prof. Kline on the Trulove case:

 

Still, Kline maintained, “It is too simple of a conclusion to say her office is at fault,” because it’s unclear whether Harris or Allen “had knowledge of the existence of this information,” or whether the police officers involved also hid the information from the prosecuting attorneys.

 

Kline nonetheless told Leahy that questions over potential evidence would have “generally” surfaced for Harris or Allen when interviewing officers and preparing the case for trial.

 

https://tennesseestar.com/kamalafare/man-wrongly-convicted-of-murder-under-kamala-harris-im-going-with-donald-trump-in-2024/tpappert/2024/08/14/?swcfpc=1

 

 

 

Trulove himself said that Kamala Harris was present at court when his guilty verdict was read out and laughed in his face.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13750465/actor-wrongfully-convicted-kamala-harris-taunt.html

 

Kamala Harris being present at court when Trulove had his verdict read out does imply that Kamala Harris was involved to some degree in Trulove's case. 

 

It is very normal for more junior prosecturs to run some issues by the more senior lawyer in the department. The Trulove case being high profile it would have been natural for Linda Allen to seek Kamala Harris views on the more delicate aspects of the case.

 

But clearly ultimately Harris will always point to the crooked police officers, never mind that her office had the duty to evaluate the evidence.

 

If 4 relatively uneducated police officers can deceive Kamala Harris so easily, then it would be even easier for diplomats, politicians or secret service people to do so.

 

 

[jerrymahoney]

I am not here to contest anything you post just that, given all the links you include, it's hard to tell what comes from those links and what is your own verbiage.

[Hamus Yaigh]

21 hours ago, maesariang said:

I never presented any info that was not correct.

Lol, every single post you have made is a subjective and warped IMHO point of view from inside your personal echo chamber.