Spirit of Ukraine Independence Day August 24, 2024

[zmisha]

7 minutes ago, candide said:

What are you talking about?

 

Again, your claim has no legal status as it hasn't even been admitted in court for consideration.

You have nothing.

So you are trying to say that any criminal who start using you house became the legal owner until the judge send him to the prison? Very strange opinion.

Gorbachev invited a group of very strange people to live in our Soviet house. It was ok before they invited even more strange and aggressive people from the other side of the ocean. But now it is not ok for us and we want certain legal actions for them. That’s why we bother the judge. 

[zmisha]

24 minutes ago, candide said:

What are you talking about?

 

Again, your claim has no legal status as it hasn't even been admitted in court for consideration.

You have nothing.

Again, your claim that SU has been collapsed has no legal status as it has not even admitted for consideration.

The documents you shown is just a set of dreams of people who are not empowered to make such decisions.

[candide]

12 minutes ago, zmisha said:

So you are trying to say that any criminal who start using you house became the legal owner until the judge send him to the prison? Very strange opinion.

Gorbachev invited a group of very strange people to live in our Soviet house. It was ok before they invited even more strange and aggressive people from the other side of the ocean. But now it is not ok for us and we want certain legal actions for them. That’s why we bother the judge. 

Houses? What are you talking about? 

 

Your so-called legal action has no status.  Come back after it has been accepted for a ruling by the SC (in case the Russian SC would be relevant to rule according to a dead Constitution).

 

You have nothing.

 

[zmisha]

59 minutes ago, candide said:

Houses? What are you talking about? 

At the beginning of this thread people mentioned that the Ukrainian independence is a fake one from 1945. But we did not discussed the most interesting thing. What exactly made it to be fake?
I think it's time to discuss it in details. Anyone, including you can create an independent country at any time you wish. You, for example, can create a country Candideland or Candidestan. It is not prohibited. Nobody will prevent you from doing so. That's why it was very easy to create an independent country Ukraine in 1945 in a similar way. No problem at all.
The problem begins when the newly created country wants to get some lands and houses. Since there is not a single centimeter of land left on planet earth that does not belong to some country, if your newly created country says that it owns some piece of land or a house, it will inevitably enter into a military conflict with another country to which this property belonged previously. That is exactly what is happening with the Ukraine now. This country begin to think that the soviet lands and houses belongs to Ukraine because, as it thinks, SU collapsed. But our leader, Vladimir, gently remind that the collapse of SU is just a strange assumption of the previous Russian administration: "The former Russian leadership assumed that the Soviet Union had ceased to exist" ( http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/73411 ).

[candide]

16 minutes ago, zmisha said:

At the beginning of this thread people mentioned that the Ukrainian independence is a fake one from 1945. But we did not discussed the most interesting thing. What exactly made it to be fake?
I think it's time to discuss it in details. Anyone, including you can create an independent country at any time you wish. You, for example, can create a country Candideland or Candidestan. It is not prohibited. Nobody will prevent you from doing so. That's why it was very easy to create an independent country Ukraine in 1945 in a similar way. No problem at all.
The problem begins when the newly created country wants to get some lands and houses. Since there is not a single centimeter of land left on planet earth that does not belong to some country, if your newly created country says that it owns some piece of land or a house, it will inevitably enter into a military conflict with another country to which this property belonged previously. That is exactly what is happening with the Ukraine now. This country begin to think that the soviet lands and houses belongs to Ukraine because, as it thinks, SU collapsed. But our leader, Vladimir, gently remind that the collapse of SU is just a strange assumption of the previous Russian administration: "The former Russian leadership assumed that the Soviet Union had ceased to exist" ( http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/73411 ).

Again, your claim has no legal status.

[zmisha]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

Again, your claim has no legal status.

In an interview for the French LCI network last week, Ambassador Lu was asked China's view of the status of Crimea which Russia annexed in 2014.

The interviewer argued that under international law the region was part of Ukraine.

Mr Lu responded by suggesting that the issue was not clear cut, and that countries such as Ukraine could not rely on international law to defend their sovereignty.
"Even these former Soviet countries don't have an effective status under international law because there is no international agreement under international law to concretise their status as sovereign countries," he said.
Of course, the US can force the China to shut up using its financial and military powers. But the fact that "there is no international agreement under international law to concretise their status as sovereign countries" is still clearly visible for every country in this world.

[candide]

11 minutes ago, zmisha said:

In an interview for the French LCI network last week, Ambassador Lu was asked China's view of the status of Crimea which Russia annexed in 2014.

The interviewer argued that under international law the region was part of Ukraine.

Mr Lu responded by suggesting that the issue was not clear cut, and that countries such as Ukraine could not rely on international law to defend their sovereignty.
"Even these former Soviet countries don't have an effective status under international law because there is no international agreement under international law to concretise their status as sovereign countries," he said.
Of course, the US can force the China to shut up using its financial and military powers. But the fact that "there is no international agreement under international law to concretise their status as sovereign countries" is still clearly visible for every country in this world.

Says Putin, says China.... 😀

[zmisha]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Says Putin, says China.... 😀

Does not matter who says. Just show the document that it is yours, otherwise it is not yours. Yes, it is that simple. 

[candide]

1 hour ago, zmisha said:

Does not matter who says. Just show the document that it is yours, otherwise it is not yours. Yes, it is that simple. 

Which documents says that Ukraine is Russia's possession, exactly?

[zmisha]

12 minutes ago, candide said:

Which documents says that Ukraine is Russia's possession, exactly?

Currently, the results of Yalta and Potsdam conferences are the basement of the world order. And there is no such thing as Ukraine there - it is simply a part of USSR.
Our leader, Vladimir, accused the USA of "rudely destroy the foundations of the international order laid down after WWII in order to cross out the legacy of the Yalta and Potsdam conferences" (Presidential Address to Federal Assembly, 21th Feb 2023).

Edited August 28 by zmisha

[zmisha]

On 8/28/2024 at 7:31 PM, Adam Tomaszewski said:

 

You are right. Putin does not call it "war". Because war could be only between two countries with real indisputable independence. That is why we call it Special Military Operation, not war.

[candide]

1 hour ago, zmisha said:

Currently, the results of Yalta and Potsdam conferences are the basement of the world order. And there is no such thing as Ukraine there - it is simply a part of USSR.
Our leader, Vladimir, accused the USA of "rudely destroy the foundations of the international order laid down after WWII in order to cross out the legacy of the Yalta and Potsdam conferences" (Presidential Address to Federal Assembly, 21th Feb 2023).

In Yalta and Potsdam conferences. It has not been stated that Ukraine belongs to Russia

[frank83628]

On 8/25/2024 at 5:22 AM, MicroB said:

 

You got it wrong. NATO isn't funding Russia.

no, he was correct, they are Funding Ukraine

[zmisha]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

In Yalta and Potsdam conferences. It has not been stated that Ukraine belongs to Russia

Of course not. Ukraine is independent. We all agree in this point. It is independent without any territory which belongs to it, with the zero territory.
The lands and houses belongs to the USSR. We can show the signature of the US president on the Yalta documents to prove this. Russia is the successor of the USSR in UN and de-facto takes the USSR's place in the Security Council. According to the constitution of Russia, it is just the rebranded SU - Vladimir Putin added this into the constitution as a result of national referendum in 2020.

So, the lands belongs to Russia which, as Putin says, was called USSR in some periods in the history. And we have a signature of the US president Roosevelt on the papers to prove our rights.

[candide]

26 minutes ago, zmisha said:

Of course not. Ukraine is independent. We all agree in this point. It is independent without any territory which belongs to it, with the zero territory.
The lands and houses belongs to the USSR. We can show the signature of the US president on the Yalta documents to prove this. Russia is the successor of the USSR in UN and de-facto takes the USSR's place in the Security Council. According to the constitution of Russia, it is just the rebranded SU - Vladimir Putin added this into the constitution as a result of national referendum in 2020.

So, the lands belongs to Russia which, as Putin says, was called USSR in some periods in the history. And we have a signature of the US president Roosevelt on the papers to prove our rights.

De facto is not De Jure. There is no document stating that Ukraine has no territory and the territory belong Russia. Russia is independent since 1991 and us not the Soviet Union. You (Putin) are making stuff up.

[zmisha]

Just now, candide said:

There is no document stating that Ukraine has no territory

It is not possible to prove the absence of anything in the world. It is only possible to prove the presence by demonstrating it. And you have failed to do this.

 

3 minutes ago, candide said:

Russia is independent since 1991 and us not the Soviet Union.

Keep dreaming. There is no any paper to prove it.

[Zenyu kanari]

8 hours ago, candide said:

Russia is independent since 1991

For an independent country it sure does mourn a lot about the soviet union and the revival of it